Two prepubs of questionable value (in my opinion)
There is a new prepub Grammar of Late Egyptian and one regarding Akkadian personal names. I can see the Akkadian volume having some value, but the Egyptian grammar will only be of value to someone more into linguistics than I. I am not inclucing links since that subjects it to moderation—just a heads-up.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
There is a new prepub Grammar of Late Egyptian and one regarding Akkadian personal names. I can see the Akkadian volume having some value, but the Egyptian grammar will only be of value to someone more into linguistics than I. I am not inclucing links since that subjects it to moderation—just a heads-up.
Duely noted. Point taken. Thanks.
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George, I'm not sure I agree with your assessment on the Egyptian grammar. Let's review the benefits this tome provides (below quoted from the Logos writeup):
(1) With Logos Bible Software, your research on Late Egyptian is easier than ever!
(2) As you read through this guide, you can cross-reference the text with Logos’ other Egyptian grammars and ancient texts, deepening your understanding of Late Egyptian words, phrases, and terms.
(3) This grammar will appear in your Passage Guide, giving you the answers you need when you need them.
Now seriously. There must be thousands of Logos people doing late egyptian research. Why do you dislike them so much?
Plus Logos has literally hundreds of other Egyptian grammars and ancient Egyptian texts (some early but not this grammar of course). Would YOU want to discourage all the Logos late egyptian grammar readers the chance to cross-referernce their grammars? I didn't think so.
And best of all, just how many Logos users will be able to BRAG that THEY have a LATE-EGYPTIAN section in their passage guide? This ALONE has a major benefit.
But more seriously, I guess they did a cut/replace?? What's troubling is they have a hard time even introducing Crums (coptic).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
(1) With Logos Bible Software, your research on Late Egyptian is easier than ever!
(2) As you read through this guide, you can cross-reference the text with Logos’ other Egyptian grammars and ancient texts, deepening your understanding of Late Egyptian words, phrases, and terms.
(3) This grammar will appear in your Passage Guide, giving you the answers you need when you need them.
[:D]
(I'm glad they have good relations with PBI, but I wish they used them for something slightly more useful.)
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Okay guys, enough humor at linguists' expense. Don't you need to know something about Egyptian folk love poetry to understand the Song of Songs?
Besides, Logos offers us:
Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts by James P. Allen
Ancient Egyptian Literature, ( 3 Volumes) by Miriam LichtheimHymns, Prayers and Songs: An Anthology of Ancient Egyptian Lyric Poetry
Ancient Records of Egypt (5 vols.) by James Henry Breasted
Ancient Near Eastern Texts by James Pritchard
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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fgh said:
PBI, but I wish they used them for something slightly more useful.
Useful? remember they're catholic[;)] Besides it was a Jewish prof who had us reading Egyptian love poetry for the Song of Songs course (both in translation in my case.[:$])
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay guys, enough humor at linguists' expense. Don't you need to know something about Egyptian folk love poetry to understand the Song of Songs?
Besides, Logos offers us:
Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts by James P. Allen
Ancient Egyptian Literature, ( 3 Volumes) by Miriam Lichtheim
Hymns, Prayers and Songs: An Anthology of Ancient Egyptian Lyric Poetry
Ancient Records of Egypt (5 vols.) by James Henry Breasted
Ancient Near Eastern Texts by James Pritchard
And Lichtheim is contained in The Context of Scripture so I have it twice.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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DMB said:
George, I'm not sure I agree with your assessment on the Egyptian grammar. Let's review the benefits this tome provides (below quoted from the Logos writeup):
I can recommend a good surgeon to assist you in you lingual difficulties. It must be difficult to speak with your tongue so firmly planted. [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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MJ. Smith said:
enough humor at linguists' expense
My humor wasn't at the expense of linguists, but at the expense of Logos' marketing.
MJ. Smith said:Besides, Logos offers us:
Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts by James P. Allen
Ancient Egyptian Literature, ( 3 Volumes) by Miriam LichtheimHymns, Prayers and Songs: An Anthology of Ancient Egyptian Lyric Poetry
Texts from the Pyramid Age
Letters from Ancient Egypt
Ancient Records of Egypt (5 vols.) by James Henry Breasted
Ancient Near Eastern Texts by James Pritchard
I haven't studied even the TOC's of those books, but it doesn't look like there are any "other Egyptian grammars" on that list.
MJ. Smith said:Useful? remember they're catholic
OK, you're allowed to some fun at Catholics' expense. [:D] (And on mine, for that matter.)
That said, I would still imagine e g Biblica to be more useful to Logos' current userbase than an Egyptian grammar.
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To avoid having to visit a dental surgeon for tongue-in-cheek disease, and to at least help redeem the potential value of the Late Egyptian grammar, this quote below comes from http://www.logos.com/product/7871/a-concise-coptic-english-lexicon I highlighted some of the interesting points (sadly they emphasize the importance of Crums ... indeed even Logos.com says the same).
"The words are alphabetized, as in Crum’s dictionary, primarily by root consonants and then by the vowels within the structure of consonants. A glance down the first dozen or so words under B, for example, should make the system clear. Words having an initial vowel are alphabetized by that vowel and then by the consonantal root. This system is practical because the root of a Coptic word is its consonants. Thus all forms, derivatives and variant spellings can be placed under one main entry. Since a primary concern of this lexicon is to be helpful to students, many forms that are difficult to recognize are cross-listed, a brief definition is given, and the abbreviation v. directs attention to the the main entry.'
I don't know to what degree 'Late Egyptian' connects to the coptic in the grammar. I suspect George is right. Maybe one of our forum members is a copticologist. I do notice we don't have a coptic grammar either (that I can find).
And since we've managed to work our way from the Late Egyptian to the coptic, this would then lead to an excellent CP: http://www.logos.com/product/24987/early-egyptian-monasticism-collection (some of which is housed with the Coptic church).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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MJ. Smith said:
Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts by James P. Allen
Ancient Egyptian Literature, ( 3 Volumes) by Miriam LichtheimAnd don't forget Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Schemes by B. Madoff.
[:P]
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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Doc B said:
Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Schemes by B. Madoff.
[:D]
Okay, I'll be honest. I'd put texts, grammars and lexicons in Old Church Slavonic, Gothic and Sogdian ahead of Egyptian for my personal use. But the Egyptian might be fun,
Sad story[:'(]: when PB's first came out I did actually try to convert a Sogdian textbook into a PB. However, neither OCR nor Logos really seemed ready for intermingled Enlish-Sogdian scripts. I should have tried the Gothic.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Doc B said:
Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Schemes by B. Madoff.
Okay, I'll be honest. I'd put texts, grammars and lexicons in Old Church Slavonic, Gothic and Sogdian ahead of Egyptian for my personal use. But the Egyptian might be fun,
Sad story
: when PB's first came out I did actually try to convert a Sogdian textbook into a PB. However, neither OCR nor Logos really seemed ready for intermingled Enlish-Sogdian scripts. I should have tried the Gothic.OK, I'll admit it. I'm envious of your knowledge of such esoterica. [+o(]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay, I'll be honest. I'd put texts, grammars and lexicons in Old Church Slavonic, Gothic and Sogdian ahead of Egyptian for my personal use.
You ought to come here some time and have a look at the Silver Bible. [:D]
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George Somsel said:
OK, I'll admit it. I'm envious of your knowledge of such esoterica.
You can always join me. I've added a link in the Web Resources reading list to the Comprehensive Bibliography on Syriac Christianity http://csc.org.il/db/db.aspx?db=SB and added a Christian-Sogdian reading list. Unfortunately, I'm a bit short on Logos links.[:(]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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