Logos Edition of BDAG: Is this version abridged? (Logos Scholar Platinum)...
Does anyone know if the BDAG resource in Logos 4 (ie, the logos edition) an abridged version, or is it the same as the hard copy edition I'd get in my seminary bookstore?
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it's the same as the hardcopy
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Richard Landon said:
Does anyone know if the BDAG resource in Logos 4 (ie, the logos edition) an abridged version, or is it the same as the hard copy edition I'd get in my seminary bookstore?
Richard,
While the text is exactly like the one you would get if you had the hardback edition, in reality the Logos edition if far more than just text. With the Logos edition of BDAG all of your scripture references are linked to your preferred Bible, making it so much faster to check each scripture reference in question. Not only this, certain grammars (i.e. BDF, Robertson), the Apostolic Fathers, Philo, Josephus, and other resources are linked just like your Bible. All of these make the Logos edition of BDAG much more than just a "lexicon."
Cliff
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I have Logos and love the feature of linking the various text: especially in Scholar's Platinum where I have the Apostolic Father, Josepheus, etc in my library The reason I am asking is my seminary professor -- based on the version in Accordance, what he uses -- indicates I should purchase a print edition. Apparently that digital version is abridged...
Now, the print edition is listed at 165.00 (pub. price). I'd like to save the money, if the Logos Digital edition is equivalent to the print edition (meaning: un-abridged as in the TDNT; as least one version in Scholar's Platinum anyway)
If someone from Logos itself might be willing to advise regarding abridgement of the Logos edition of BDAG, I might be able to make a stronger argument for not purchasing the print version for 3rd year Greek. No disrespect to anyone replying to my post.
I have pretty much taught myself Greek (to the degree I know any Greek that is), but my MDIV requires (of course) formal training...
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Here is some info for you to compare with what's in the library.
The last page is number 1108
With this content:
κάλλη … ; Tat. 27, 3 τί δʼ ἂν ὠφελήσειε λέξις ʼ Αττική … ;—LTondelli, Biblica 4, 1923, 320–27). οὐδὲν ὠφελεῖ Mt 27:24 nothing does any good, avails (s. 2).
② to be successful in accomplishing some objective, accomplish, abs. of a pers. (ApcEsdr 6:23 p. 32, 2 Tdf.; Just., A I, 52, 9) οὐδὲν ὠφελεῖ he is accomplishing nothing Mt 27:24 (s. 1c). Cp. J 12:19.—B. 1353f. Schmidt, Syn. IV 162–72. DELG s.v. 2 ὀφέλλω. M-M.
ὠφέλιμος, ον (ὠφελέω; Thu.+) useful, beneficial, advantageous τινί for someone or for someth. (Polyaenus 8 prooem.) Tit 3:8; Hv 3, 6, 7. Also πρός τι (Pla., Rep. 10, 607d) 1 Ti 4:8ab; 2 Tim 3:16. Heightened ὑπεράγαν ὠφέλιμος 1 Cl 56:2.—The superl. (Artem. 5 p. 252, 13; Ps.-Lucian, Hipp. 6; Vi. Aesopi II p. 306, 12 Ebh.; Jos., Ant. 19, 206; PMich 149 XVIII, 20 [II A.D.]) subst. τὰ ὠφελιμώτατα what is particulary helpful 62:1 (Appian, Bell. Civ. 5, 44 §186 τὰ μάλιστα ὠφελιμώτατα).—DELG s.v. 2 ὀφέλλω. M-M.
ὤφθην s. ὁράω.
William Arndt, Frederick W. Danker and Walter Bauer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed., 1108 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000).0 -
If you look at the publication information in the Logos edition, and the ISBN, it's clearly the full version. If you need to, you can simply print or show that to the professor.
To be frank, I don't think the professor is right about the Accordance version either. If you take a look at their website...
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Richard Landon said:
If someone from Logos itself might be willing to advise regarding abridgement of the Logos edition of BDAG
This already has happened: if you look at Clifford Kvidahl's post above, you'll see the Logos logo under his avatar picture. Since he is one of the people producing the scholarly stuff at Logos, when he says BDAG is not abridged, it isn't.
Maybe your professor ought to get a decent bible study software, after all...
Have joy in the Lord!
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I'd never even heard of a concise BDAG (I have a concise HALOT though). Shows how much I know. (Not a lot.)
Anyway I searched the internet and right at the top was Prof Varner's (same name anyway!) review of the concise BDAG. What a pleasant surprise, since he's been so helpful on the new Evangelical Commentary for James.
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I am in seminary and have BDAG in Logos, it is not abridged and Clifford's post makes clear how valuable this resource is. However, your professor may be trying to help you avoid a pitfall to learning Greek. If you use Logos you MUST be disciplined enough to not take any shortcuts to learning the language. As my Hebrew professor, who does not allow computers in the classroom, says "getting in the habit of mousing over, for glosses, will kill your learning of the language." I would suggest using the Logos edition IF you can resist the temptation of taking the easy way out. The easy way out is a sure fire way to make sure you do not learn the language but rather learn how to use your software better. I love Logos and would never give it up but it will be an exercise in self discipline.
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[y] - very very very very true!!!!Alan Charles Gielczyk said:your professor may be trying to help you avoid a pitfall to learning Greek. If you use Logos you MUST be disciplined enough to not take any shortcuts to learning the language. As my Hebrew professor, who does not allow computers in the classroom, says "getting in the habit of mousing over, for glosses, will kill your learning of the language." I would suggest using the Logos edition IF you can resist the temptation of taking the easy way out. The easy way out is a sure fire way to make sure you do not learn the language but rather learn how to use your software better.
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Thanks everyone for the information.
I particularly appreciate the warning about taking the shortcuts.
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I think your prof is confused. The LSJ lexicon in several of the base packages is abridged, but you can buy the full version from the Logos website (including the appendix). I have BDAG both in printed and Logos versions, and can confirm that the Logos version is not abridged. Having used it for preparing passages for Greek classes while I was studying, I can also confirm that it took about half the amount of time using the Logos version that it took using the print version.
With LSJ by the way, the Logos version is a whole lot easier to read than the print edition, and includes the appendix that you normally have to look up separately in the library.
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