Biblical Facts Comments

spitzerpl
spitzerpl Member Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in Beta Forum Archive

I love the new organization of the Biblical People, Places, Things to Biblical Facts. And I love the collapsable sections. But I really miss the section that lists all verses in canonical order.

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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,147

    But I really miss the section that lists all verses in canonical order.

    The "Translations" section in Bible Facts should show all the verses where a person/place/thing is mentioned. Does this replicate the functionality you're missing? If not, please attach a screenshot of the data that's missing in the new tool.

  • spitzerpl
    spitzerpl Member Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭

    I guess this one comes down to preference. I do not have the ability to attach a screen shot right now. In L4 all the verses were listed in chronological order. In l5 all the verses are listed by translation. I used to turn to biblical p/p/t whenever I knew of a verse related to a person but didn't know exactly where it was. Looking at the cononical list I could usually find it pretty quickly. by breaking it into several different lists (translation section), each of which must be expanded indivually, this "quick look" functionality is no longer available to me.

    Also, Is the translation section really providing a list of translations? Isn't it providing a list of synonyms? That seems to be the case when I look up "Jerusalem."

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,276

    Hi HH

    Also, Is the translation section really providing a list of translations? Isn't it providing a list of synonyms? That seems to be the case when I look up "Jerusalem."

    It seems that way to me- see example below:

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    Although not exactly synonyms because the second entry - the one on Joseph - is more of an "also known as" result.

    But the verses relating to Barnabas are listed in canonical order.

    So I don't know what "translations" is supposed to mean but verses shown do seem to be in order.

    Graham

  • spitzerpl
    spitzerpl Member Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭


    So I don't know what "translations" is supposed to mean but verses shown do seem to be in order.

     

    Ahh...thank you for freeing my mind of a dunce moment. This list is supperior to the L4 list. I was thinking in terms of taking the L4 list and breaking it down into categories. Now I understand that L5 has the same list as L4 in the first "translation" and then gives you a bunch of other verses you would have missed in L4.

    I like your "Also known as" title. I think that is more clear. I think my preference would be to put the first item in the list in a "Uses" category of its own and have an "Also known as/translations" category for any parallel connections. I think part of the problem with the phraseology is finding one that works for all the categories (people,places,things, events). Finally, I think I said I think too much.

  • Fred Chapman
    Fred Chapman Member Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭

    I like the way this tool is designed. Would it be possible to see it as an option when building a custom guide like the Biblical People, Biblical Places, and Biblical Things currently are.

  • Bob Pritchett
    Bob Pritchett Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,280

    I used to turn to biblical p/p/t whenever I knew of a verse related to a person but didn't know exactly where it was. Looking at the cononical list I could usually find it pretty quickly.

    You can now use clause search to look for "person:Peter" or "place:Jerusalem", which will return all occurrences in canonical order.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,166

    Bump!

    I'm not getting a translation section so I'm not getting the references. Release notes only mention the lemmas as missing.

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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,147

    MJ. Smith said:

    I'm not getting a translation section so I'm not getting the references. Release notes only mention the lemmas as missing.

    The "Translations" section was replaced with "Lemmas" (in one of the betas, may not have been in the release notes). Data for this is present for Things and will be forthcoming for People & Places. (Most People & Places have all mentions already covered in the "Referred to as" section.)