Revelation Commentaries

Nick Goins
Nick Goins Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I am currently teaching a class on the book of Revelation.  I am looking for different commentaries from an amillennial, premillennial, and postmillennial view.  I figured someone might have a list on here.  I have tried searches in the products but had very little success.  Thanks.

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  • spitzerpl
    spitzerpl Member Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭

    For premil, I would Suggest Footsteps of the Messiah. For a more even book of different views I would suggest Revelation: Four Views

  • Jason
    Jason Member Posts: 104 ✭✭

    Here's a link to a site that has many of the Revelation commentaries linked, rated, and some categorized by viewpoint (a-mill, pre-mill, or post-mill):  http://www.bestcommentaries.com/category/revelation/

    Many refer to Beale's NIGTC commentary for an a-mill perspective.  Others to look at are Aune's in WBC, Osborne in BECNT, and Mounce in NICNT.

    Hope that helps!

    Jason

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  • Russ Quinn
    Russ Quinn Member Posts: 711 ✭✭

    Osborne's commentary in BECNT and Beale's in NIGTC are two of the finest exegetical commentaries on the Greek text.

    Beale comes from an eclectic perspective with an emphasis on the historical setting of the text. His work on the use of the OT in Revelation is second to none.

    Osborne also claims an eclectic perspective but focuses more on future fulfillment.

    Aune in WBC and Mounce in NICNT are also good.

  • Jack Caviness
    Jack Caviness MVP Posts: 13,624

    Premillennial: Bible Knowledge Commentary, Revelation, An Expository Commentary (Harry Ironside), MacArthur New Testament Commentary, Escape the Coming Night (David Jeremiah), The Revelation of Jesus Christ (John Walvoord), Studies in Revelation (Hampton Keathley)

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am currently teaching a class on the book of Revelation.  I am looking for different commentaries from an amillennial, premillennial, and postmillennial view.  I figured someone might have a list on here.  I have tried searches in the products but had very little success.  Thanks.

    What about a "pan-millennial perspective? The notion that it will all pan out in the end.[:)]

    Jason Kuo said:

    Here's a link to a site that has many of the Revelation commentaries linked, rated, and some categorized by viewpoint (a-mill, pre-mill, or post-mill):  http://www.bestcommentaries.com/category/revelation/

    Wow! Great site. Thanks, Jason.

     

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    not a commentary, but offers a hermeneutical approach to Revelation from the amill perspective: Revelation's Rhapsody: Listening to the Lyrics of the Lamb by Dr. Robert Lowery.  It is the first of a trilogy, the last two being a commentary and a "special issues" volume.

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Also not commentaries, but the very best books on Revelation that I've read are:

    Reversed Thunder: The Revelation of John and the Praying Imagination by Eugene Peterson
    The Theology of the Book of Revelation by Richard Bauckham

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,148

    I am currently teaching a class on the book of Revelation.

    Available as a PDF's - David Chilton's Paradise Restored: A Biblical Theology of Dominion and Rev. Father Tadros Y Malaty's Commentary on the Book of Revelation

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Bill Anderson
    Bill Anderson Member Posts: 603 ✭✭

    If you still have L3 around and have a PBB reading key, you can go over to www.stilltruth.com to download E.W. Hengstenberg's commentaries on Revelation.

    Bill

  • Larry Heflin
    Larry Heflin Member Posts: 109 ✭✭

    www.revelationcommentary.org is an online commentary that can be downloaded as a pdf. It represents a pre-mil and a pre-wrath viewpoint.

  • CharlesJ
    CharlesJ Member Posts: 27 ✭✭

    There are two books on Revelation that I've enjoyed.  The first book is written by Jim McGuiggan, "The Book of Revelation" and the second is written by Arthur M. Ogden, "The Avenging of the Apostles and Prophets."   Both books approach the Book of Revelation with the amillennial view. 

    Although both are amillennial, they take different views.  The big reason on two different views is "was Julius Caesar the first king or was Augustus Caesar?”   Jim starts his count with Augustus while Arthur starts his with Julius.  It does make a difference in “dating” the book.  Both use Revelation 13 where it says “…five have fallen, and one is, ….”   The “one is” is the living king at the time of the writing of Revelation.  If you say Julius was the first king, then the “one is” is Nero, or if you say Augustus was the first king, then Titus was the “one is.”  (Because of the shortness of reign of Galba, Otho & Vitellius they are not counted and Titus is the “one is” … Daniel 7 tells us that three were “uprooted” and these are the three that John doesn't mention.  Daniel sees the animals looking forward in history while John sees the same animals in the vision looking backwards.)

    Arthur dates during the reign of Nero while Jim dates it during the reign of Titus.

    Hope you enjoy teaching Revelation. 

    Your servant in Messiah, Jesus the Christ,

    Charles

     

    cjemeyson@satx.rr.com

     

  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭


    I am currently teaching a class on the book of Revelation.  I am looking for different commentaries from an amillennial, premillennial, and postmillennial view.  I figured someone might have a list on here.  I have tried searches in the products but had very little success.  Thanks.


    Peace and Joy in the Lord to you, Nick!                 *smile*

                One of my most favourite Logos Books is the Concordia Publishing House  Commentary on Revelation by Louis Brighton.  It is amillennial.  Thoroughly scholarly and fascinating to read.

             I find Brighton's work in Rev 1st chapter to be extremely insightful, particularly in regard to the clear exposition of The Holy Trinity.

    For example:          (a quote .. )ὁ ὤν ("the One Who Is") in the phrase ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος ("the One Who Is and Who Was and Who Is Coming") leads one to the LXX’s rendering of the holy name (the tetragrammaton, Yahweh) in Exodus 3. In Ex 3:14 the LXX translates אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה ("I Am Who I Am") with ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν ("I Am the One Who Is"). After God identifies himself, he then tells Moses to say to the children of Israel that, in the LXX’s rendering, ὁ ὤν ("the One Who Is") sent him.22 In Rev 1:4 John follows the LXX rendering of the holy name by his use of ὁ ὤν; in the context of 1:4–6ὁ ὤν then refers to God the Father.23
    But what are the referents of

    John, in his own way, uses

    Anyway, Nick, some of my thoughts ........          For some reason, Concordia Publishing House -  a Partner with Logos and Libronix - has not made available that commentary on the Logos web site and has to be ordered in Libronix Format directly from CPH.              Unfortunate ......

    Blessings and Yours in Christ,                    ............    Mel

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    ὁ ἦν ("Who Was") and ὁ ἐρχόμενος ("Who Is Coming"), for these expressions do not appear in the LXX’s rendering of Exodus 3? Could ὁ ἐρχόμενος ("Who Is Coming") be in the same or a similar tradition as the rendering of אֶהְיֶה ("I Am") with a future tense, as Aquila and Theodotion do in Ex 3:14?24 (Here in Rev 1:4 John uses the present participle ἐρχόμενος ["is coming"] in a future sense since it contrasts with the imperfect past tense of ἦν ["was"] and with the present tense of ὤν ["is"].) That might possibly be part of the answer, but the full tripartite title seems to be unprecedented.ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος ("the One Who Is and Who Was and Who Is Coming") for the holy name in Exodus 3. He takes ὁ ὤν ("the One Who Is") from the LXX of Ex 3:14 and then expands it by adding καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος ("and Who Was and Who Is Coming"). By so doing he states that the ever present One is continually present now, as he was in the past and as he always will be in the future. The entire three-part phrase, then, is really a rendition ofאֶהְיֶה ("I Am," which is in the Hebrew Qal imperfect tense) in Ex 3:14, which is God’s own explanation for the tetragrammaton,יהוה, the holy name, Yahweh (Ex 3:13–16). John ma ............. "
          .......        "It is better to hear 1:4–5 as naming three distinct persons: (1) "the One Who Is and Who Was and Who Is Coming"; (2) the seven Spirits; and (3) Jesus Christ. Each refers to one of the persons of the Trinity.
    First, the revelation comes from God the Father.

    Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭

    Sorry, but somehow my message got mixed up when I put in the media for Concordia Publishing House

    Takes a bit of effort to put the whole quote from Brighton together since it is "interrupted."    Sorry!         *smile*

    Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    Historic Premil ought to be distinguished from Dispensational Pre-mil.

    For historic premil there is none better that George Ladd's commentary on Revelation.


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

  • Robert J Smith
    Robert J Smith Member Posts: 130 ✭✭

    Revelation: Four Views, by Steve Gregg covers all of those in parallel.

  • CharlesJ
    CharlesJ Member Posts: 27 ✭✭

     You said, "I am looking for different commentaries from an amillennial, premillennial, and postmillennial view.." 

    On an earlier post, I gave you two commentaries (books) on the ammillennial view.  I found, over the years, to "go to the source," that is, if you want to know what the premillenial view is then go to someone like John Walwoord, (a premillennal despensationalist)  but DON'T go to Walvoord if you want an amillennial view because it will be biased.  I suggest if you want a premillennial view, then seek those who write on premillennial views and if you want the amillennial view, then go to them.  Jim McGuiggan and Arthur M. Ogden are ammillennialists.  Jim lives in Ireland and taught here in the U.S. for years.  Ogden is living in the central part of the U.S. (Somerset, Ky)

    In my last post, I gave you the "key" to the dating of Revelation.  It isn't the most popular dating (being as most date Revelation around 94-95 A.D.) because of something John said to a disciple. (I've heard all the arguments on this I think)  

    Notice:  In the  first verse and the last verse (Rev 1:1 & 22:6) you have  the same statements:  "... this must take place shortly."  Also in 1:3 & 22:20 "...the time is near."   John gives the Revelation story, but he begins it with "hey fellows, this is going to take place shortly ( "at your elbow," in the Greek).  He was speaking to a Jewish audience.  He was waring them of 70 A.D.  I follow the ideas of Aurthur Ogden althought Jim McGuiggan was my bible college teacher in 1976. LOL

    May the Lord be with you,

    Charles

    cjemeyson@satx.rr.com

     

  • David Ames
    David Ames Member Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭

    Nick Goins wroteI am looking for different commentaries from an amillennial, premillennial, and postmillennial view.

    Would some one please post the definition of each please

    [I know that they have something to do with the Millennium – I guess they are when the Millennium will be – when Jesus comes, before Jesus comes or after Jesus comes – but that is just a guess]

     

     

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    premillennial - "the rapture" will occur before the millennium
    postmillennial - rapture will occur after the millennium
    amillennial - the millennium is symbolic and not literal

    panmillennial - it will all pan out in the end [:)]

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    maybe add to that that the Millenium is seen by pre-millenialists as a literal earthly reign of Christ before the final consummation of the New Heaven and Earth.  Amill's see the period of the church as being the "millennium."  None of the views are nice neat and tidy.  Each one has some scriptures that are kind of head scratchers--hard to  fit in their system.  Pre-mills often read revelation as linear: this happens then this happens, and if often read thru modern lenses--heavy emphasis on reading today's events into the symbolism and structure of the book, trying to unlock the blueprint for when the end will come.  Amillennialists see Revelation as a cyclical structured book (see Hendrickson, more than conquerors, or Lowery, Revelation's Rhapsody, for examples.  The latter is in logos)  There are several good commentaries representing the various views in Logos.  They just released one for the premill dispensationalist viewpoint--but i can't rmember the name.  Beale's in the NIGTC is very highly regarded for amill, but it is pretty technical and detailed.

    The trick is learning to talk about it with others without getting all rankled.  [A][*-)][6]

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    The trick is learning to talk about it with others without getting all rankled.  AngelConfusedDevil

    That my friend is why I don't take part in many of these conversations. 

    I haven't learned the trick. 

    Prov. 17:28  <<--Should be my "life verse"

     

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    One of my fav's for Revelation is a little book by Bruce Metzger: Breaking the Code (Abingdon, 1993). Too bad it's not in Logos. This little gem focuses on the message of the book, without trying to dissect all the images and visions. The back of the book even has some sample lesson plans. It's by no means a technical commentary. But it's very, very helpful (IMHO) for understanding the basic message, the basic hope and promise that characterizes this book.

    In Logos, Kistemaker's volume in the Baker NT Commentary series has a marvelous introduction to the issues at stake and lays out the pre-mil and a-mil views quite well, IMHO, along with some historical understandings of the book and overviews of it's theology, etc. I would assume that Kistemaker, being from the Reformed camp, is amil, but I'm not seeing him say as much directly. The commentary does go into some careful detail and exegesis, and may prove helpful just from that standpoint.

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    DavidAmes said:

    Would some one please post the definition of each please

    David, here's a great opportunity to use that Bible and theology research program you just got called Logos4. Just type in amillennial, premillennial  or postmillenial in your Basic search of your library and see what you learn!

    Ouch: I got 930 results. Might want to narrow that down a bit to get started to Bible dictionaries, or systematic theologies.

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    David, here's a great opportunity to use that Bible and theology research program you just got called Logos4

     

    Great point, Richard, lol.  I mean, here are a few users with a handful of posts (save the "star" posters here!) trying to explain it all when he has a LIBRARY at his fingertips.  (I am saying that with humor, but in full agreement!)

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Friedrich
    Friedrich MVP Posts: 4,772

    The trick is learning to talk about it with others without getting all rankled.  AngelConfusedDevil

    That my friend is why I don't take part in many of these conversations. 

    I haven't learned the trick. 

    Prov. 17:28  <<--Should be my "life verse"

     

    dude! you ARE maturing!  :)

    I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

  • Dan Sheppard
    Dan Sheppard Member Posts: 377 ✭✭

                One of my most favourite Logos Books is the Concordia Publishing House  Commentary on Revelation by Louis Brighton.  It is amillennial.  Thoroughly scholarly and fascinating to read.

     

    I must agree with Milford.

    I studied in a class, where this commentary was used, in addition to the Lenski commentary.

    They are Lutheran and hence, amillenial, but the resources are great.  The Concordia Commentary is broken into three parts: the first is a study on the original language, the second is the commentary part, then the third is "how this applies to today".

    Great set of books; I have them all.

  • J.R. Miller
    J.R. Miller Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭

    Prov. 17:28  <<--Should be my "life verse"

    as long as you can type without moving your lips, you are safe Thomas.

    My Books in Logos & FREE Training

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Prov. 17:28  <<--Should be my "life verse"

    as long as you can type without moving your lips, you are safe Thomas.

    He can move them, he just can't open them. You can make all kinds of interesting mouth contortions and communicate quite a bit with closed lips and not a sound.

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,909

    A proposed translation into our life setting with forums, facebook, twitter...

    "Even a fool who refrains from typing is considered wise; when he closes his laptop lid, he is considered diligent".

     

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    A proposed translation into our life setting with forums, facebook, twitter...

    "Even a fool who refrains from typing is considered wise; when he closes his laptop lid, he is considered diligent".


    Heh, heh. I like it. I should probably turn off my computer and go to bed, lest I be thought a fool on this forum...

  • Bryan Brodess
    Bryan Brodess Member Posts: 198 ✭✭

    The best book I have read on the subject is Dwight Pentecost "things to come" Take this with some good revelation commentaries. and I think you would have a winner.

  • David Ames
    David Ames Member Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭

     

    DavidAmes:    Would some one please post the definition of each please

    Rosie Perera:  posted definitions

     

    Richard DeRuiter: type in amillennial, premillennial  or postmillenial in your Basic search - 930 results

    David got

    Premillennial 728

    postmillennial 270

    amillennial 255


    But with out having any hint at what you are looking at you are lost

    Now with a set of simple definitions we can get started

    Thanks to all


    My favorite book: the Prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation by Uriah Smith published by Review and Herald

    View point: We (that are alive) will all be here to the bitter end just like the people in Ester's day and deliverance but this time by the Second coming. 1000 years between the resurrection of the good and the resurrection of the bad. As in Daniel he sees the many sections of Revelation as all occurring at the same time. The 'story' getting refined with new details each time. (not this then this then this but this and this and this)   He lists [what he sees as] the historical fulfillment of each verse


  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DavidAmes said:

    DavidAmes:    Would some one please post the definition of each please

    Rosie Perera:  posted definitions

     

    Richard DeRuiter: type in amillennial, premillennial  or postmillenial in your Basic search - 930 results

    David got

    Premillennial 728

    postmillennial 270

    amillennial 255

    Rosie's interpretation of the above: David's library leans more toward premillennial literature than the other types. No value judgment whatsoever, just an observation. I can see why you'd be lost looking through your library if you didn't know what those terms meant. Glad my definitions helped. :-)

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    "Even a fool who refrains from typing is considered wise; when he closes his laptop lid, he is considered diligent".

    Now that's the new NET version. 
    DavidAmes said:

    Would some one please post the definition of each please

    If you've got it, I've found Millard Ericksons Concise Dictionary of Theology to be a most helpful tool for deciphering terms that are new to me. (And it's a very even handed dictionary - no bias that I can see).

    dude! you ARE maturing!  :)

    May God be so gracious as to make it true!

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you've got it, I've found Millard Ericksons Concise Dictionary of Theology to be a most helpful tool for deciphering terms that are new to me. (And it's a very even handed dictionary - no bias that I can see).

    The Pocket Dictionary of Theological Terms (part of The Essential IVP Reference Collection) is great for this kind of quick look-up too, and it has slightly more detailed explanations of the terms than CDCT. It's quite a bit more expensive, but you get a lot of other great resources too. Hopefully you managed to pick it up at the incredible bargain of $89.95 (normally $190) the other day -- it was Day 9 of the "12 Days of Logos" special.

     

  • Otto S. Carroll
    Otto S. Carroll Member Posts: 693 ✭✭

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    15" rMBP 2.6 GHz i7 | 16 GB RAM | 1.0 TB Flash Drive | OS X 10.12.3 | Logos 7.0 (7.3.0.0062)

  • Bryan Brodess
    Bryan Brodess Member Posts: 198 ✭✭

    The Sign, by Robert Van Kampen
    http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/THESIGN

    This was a great book. Had me convinced until I read the "things to come" by dwight pentecost.. Changed my thinking..

     

    Have you read this one yet Otto??

     

  • Otto S. Carroll
    Otto S. Carroll Member Posts: 693 ✭✭

    Hi Bryan...I haven't had the opportunity to read Pentecost's book. I'll have to find a copy (I don't think it's in Logos...)

    Thanks!

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    15" rMBP 2.6 GHz i7 | 16 GB RAM | 1.0 TB Flash Drive | OS X 10.12.3 | Logos 7.0 (7.3.0.0062)

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    DavidAmes said:

    But with out having any hint at what you are looking at you are lost

    I love starting out lost. It makes for interesting discoveries, as long as you're willing to make mistakes and change your thinking. So let's think about a strategy for coming to understand something like this.

    Most Bible dictionaries will give some definitions of these schemes, and explain them quite well, though not always with the nuances that proponents of these views would like.

    Also, since the question came up in talking about Revelation, one might look in some Revelation commentaries for discussions on these view points.

    One might also look at some systematic theologies, under eschatology. A decent one will provide a fair assessment of each viewpoint, as well as discuss the merits and problems each face.

    This is a good 'just in time' learning experience to begin to use the software to answer just the sort of questions it was designed for.

    (If I were to use the terms "Infralapsarian vs. Supralapsarian" in the context of Reformed
    decretal theology, how would you research it in Logos? Probably
    something along these lines - with obvious variation at points, of
    course. Oh, please let's not rehash that particular debate here.)

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Bryan Brodess
    Bryan Brodess Member Posts: 198 ✭✭

    Hi Bryan...I haven't had the opportunity to read Pentecost's book. I'll have to find a copy (I don't think it's in Logos...)

    Thanks!

    Yeah I just noticed that. That's too bad because it is a great resource.. The thing I really like about it is it gives all opinions ( at least all I have ever heard) Very few books I have read do this..

     

    Hope logos can get this sometime,, valuble.. I see they already have some of Pentecost's books,, wonder why they have not gotten this one yet??

     

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    (If I were to use the terms "Infralapsarian vs. Supralapsarian" in the context of Reformed decretal theology, how would you research it in Logos? Probably something along these lines - with obvious variation at points, of course. Oh, please let's not rehash that particular debate here.)


    I was once having a discussion with a Christian friend of some theological training over a cup of tea. We were disputing specifically whether it is best to put the milk in first before the tea, or after the tea. I'm for doing it after. My friend told me that I was a postlactarian, as opposed to a prelactarian. :-)

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    I was once having a discussion with a Christian friend of some theological training over a cup of tea. We were disputing specifically whether it is best to put the milk in first before the tea, or after the tea. I'm for doing it after. My friend told me that I was a postlactarian, as opposed to a prelactarian. :-)

    That would make me an a-lactarian, since I believe the tea already has all the milk it needs.

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Bryan Brodess
    Bryan Brodess Member Posts: 198 ✭✭

    Let me see if I get this correctly.. A pre or Post lactarian would literally put milk in.. An A-Lactarian only symbolically interprets the milk as being there..Is this right??..lol

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    Let me see if I get this correctly.. A pre or Post lactarian would literally put milk in.. An A-Lactarian only symbolically interprets the milk as being there..Is this right??..lol

    Since this metaphor is already pushed beyond the breaking point, and this will stretch the metaphor beyond the breaking point. Let me say that the milk is not symbolic, bit it was already in the tea when I walked in the room. What is symbolic is the amount of time between brewing and drinking the tea.

     

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Since this metaphor is already pushed beyond the breaking point, and this will stretch the metaphor beyond the breaking point. Let me say that the milk is not symbolic, bit it was already in the tea when I walked in the room. What is symbolic is the amount of time between brewing and drinking the tea.

    The other question of course, which I almost hesitate to bring up because religious wars have been fought over it, is whether the tea bag should be taken up out of the tea (raptured as it were) after a few minutes (1000 literal seconds? or symbolic?) or left in the turbulation until the final consummation of the tea.

    And as for being a-lactarian, it depends on whether it's black (a textual corruption of "Greek") or herbal (a textual corruption of "Hebrew") tea.

  • David Ames
    David Ames Member Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭

    I've found Millard Ericksons Concise Dictionary of Theology to be a most helpful tool for deciphering terms that are new to me

    Erickson, M. J. (2001). The concise dictionary of Christian theology (Rev. ed., 1st Crossway ed.) (11). Wheaton, Ill.: Crossway Books.

    NOT in any base package that I could see

    The Concise Dictionary of Christian Theology (Revised Edition), (SKU #2822) (1) $17.95 USD

    Just got it [can not afford the other one that was in the next post] [and it loaded into both LOGOS 3 and 4]

    Next I have to look up " eschatological "

     

  • George Somsel
    George Somsel Member Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭


    I am currently teaching a class on the book of Revelation.  I am looking for different commentaries from an amillennial, premillennial, and postmillennial view.  I figured someone might have a list on here.  I have tried searches in the products but had very little success.  Thanks.


    The best commentary on Revelation hasn't been published yet  (that would be mine -- I'm so humble [^o)]).   Believe it or not, you can get some insights into Revelation by reading Augustine's City of God.  It would be considered Amillenial.

    I've been working on this for years.  If I can be of any help, feel free to ask  gfsomsel in the domain yahoo.

    george
    gfsomsel

    יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    The best commentary on Revelation hasn't been published yet  (that would be mine -- I'm so humble Hmm).   Believe it or not, you can get some insights into Revelation by reading Augustine's City of God.  It would be considered Amillenial.

    I've been working on this for years.  If I can be of any help, feel free to ask  gfsomsel in the domain yahoo.


    I'm looking forward to Gordon Fee's commentary on Revelation, to be published sometime in 2010 by Wipf & Stock. I took his class on Revelation at Regent College a number of years ago, and it was excellent. I'm kind of a Revelation junkie myself. I love the language of it and love the book and long to rescue it from all the nonsense that has been perpetrated upon it. I have amassed quite a collection of print-based books and commentaries. Haven't read all of them yet, but they all have been helpful in one way or another, and the few that I haven't cracked yet look great and I'd love to read them when I get a chance. Here's what I've got, in no particular order:

    • Robert Mounce, The Book of Revelation (NICNT) - image too
    • G.K. Beale, The Book of Revelation (NIGTC) - image too
    • David Aune, Revelation, 3 vols. (WBC) - image only
    • Richard Bauckham, The Theology of the Book of Revelation (Cambridge)
    • Wes Howard-Brook & Anthony Gwyther, Unveiling Empire: Reading Revelation Then and Now (Orbis)
    • Darrell Johnson, Discipleship on the Edge: An Expository Journey through the Book of Revelation (Regent College Publishing) - I took a Regent class on Revelation with Darrell too.
    • William Dumbrell, The End of the Beginning: Revelation 21-22 and the Old Testament (Lancer)
    • Craig Koester, Revelation and the End of All Things (Eerdmans)
    • Paul Spilsbury, The Throne, The Lamb & The Dragon: A Reader's Guide to the Book of Revelation (IVP)
    • Barbara Rossing, The Rapture Exposed: The Message of Hope in the Book of Revelation (Westview Press)
    • John Stott, What Christ Thinks of the Church: An Exposition of Revelation 1-3 (Baker)
    • Graeme Goldsworthy, The Gospel in Revelation (Paternoster)
    • W.M. Ramsay, The Letters to the Seven Churches (Hendrickson)
    • Colin Hemer, The Letters to the Seven Churches of Asia in Their Local Setting (Eerdmans)
    • Eugene Peterson, Reversed Thunder: The Revelation of John and the Praying Imagination (HarperCollins) - I studied under Eugene Peterson, too
    • Hanns Lilje, The Last Book of the Bible (Muhlenberg)
    • Robert Clouse, ed., The Meaning of the Millennium: Four Views (IVP)
    • Jacques Ellul, Apocalypse (Seabury)
    • Marva Dawn, Joy in Our Weakness: A Gift of Hope from the Book of Revelation (Concordia)
    • Earl Palmer, The Communicator's Commentary: 1, 2, 3 John & Revelation (Word) - Earl was my pastor for many years and taught a class on Revelation
    • John Collins, The Apocalyptic Imagination (Eerdmans) - not specifically about Revelation but good background on the genre of apocalyptic literature
    • Mark Bredin, Jesus, Revolutionary of Peace: A Nonviolent Christology in the Book of Revelation (Paternoster) - image only
    • Stephen Finamore, God, Order, and Chaos: René Girard and the Apocalypse (Paternoster) - image only
    • J. Ramsay Michaels, Interpreting the Book of Revelation (Baker) - image only
    • plus a bunch of other commentaries image only

     

  • Alex Scott
    Alex Scott Member Posts: 718 ✭✭

    Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.

  • Pastor Johnny
    Pastor Johnny Member Posts: 32 ✭✭

    Logos currently has an excellent commentary on Revelation on pre-pub - by Robert L. Thomas  - An Exegetical Commentary: Revelation (2 Vols).

    http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5282

    I have the hard copy set and used them when I was in school.

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    Premil means Christ will return before the millennium, not "the rapture" will occur before the millennium.  Dispensational premill means the rapture will occur before the mellenniun - a variant of premill that dates from 19th century.


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley