How do I retrieve copyright information for cross references?

I am using Logos 4 Platinum. I am using the KJV 1900 and cross references (in the Explorer tool) in my work. The KJV is out of copyright but customer service indicated that the cross references come from other books and may be copyrighted, depending on the book they come from.

The cross references show a mass of scripture references but does not indicate the source of each reference. How can I get the source?

If I obtain copyright releases, how should I cite the copyright holder's works? A citation for every cross-reference would be extremely tedious perhaps to the degree of absurdity, but it may be the only way to attribute each cross reference to its proper source. A far easier way would be for me to simply list the copyright holders in the references page.

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JT (alabama24)

Welcome to the forums Michael. [:)]

I'm sorry, but you have lost me. Want to try again? How about some screen shots to give us context?

Fumbling_Foo

Ah, sorry . Here's everything in the topic post summed up: When I look up cross references, I need to be able to find the source book and author.

In the picture, I am looking at Genesis 2:1, and listed under the explorer tool are the cross references. When I mouse over a cross reference, it gives me the verse information and the bible information, but no source or citation information listing the book or author.

Rosie Perera

Michael, I appreciate your diligence in wanting to correctly cite every cross reference, but there are not different sources for all of these. They all come from an internal database of cross references. Just cite Logos Bible Software if you must cite anything at all. But generally it's not rocket science to point out a related verse. So if you cite a related verse reference, you don't really need to tell where you got the idea that this verse is related to the other one.

You probably have either The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge or The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge in your library. You might have other cross reference indexes. You can filter your library using type:"bible cross-reference index" to find them. Some of the cross-references Logos provides in the Explorer tool might come from these, but the list doesn't match, so I'm not sure where they get all the cross-references they provide. They don't tell us anywhere in the UI, so if they can't provide this info to you over the phone, you are stuck with citing Logos Bible Software. Seriously, though. I wouldn't worry about it. Nobody is going to come after you because you wrote "See also Mk 5:1-17" when discussing Mt 8:28-34. I'm not a lawyer, but I would guess that an individual cross-reference is not something copyrightable. [EDIT: Monograph and commentary writers give cross-references in their text all the time, and I have never seen anyone give a footnote to credit where they got the idea for the cross-reference from.]

Fumbling_Foo

I appreciate your help very much, Rosie [:)]. Being able to cite Logos Bible Software and not deal with third parties makes citations more practical. Indeed with fair use there is some leeway in using others' information as long as it's cited where needed. However, and I should have mentioned this before, I am working on a large project encompassing the entire KJV and all the cross references therein (this will take quite some time, lol [:P]). I definitely need to give credit to Logos Bible Software, though the extent to which I am using their database definitely is out of the scope of fair use and requires written permission.

The question is who / which department to contact and how. If they still redirect me to the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge authors, I assume I can use the Logos software cross reference database and only cite the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, as the database is much easier to follow and seems to be limited to the more relevant verses.

Rosie Perera

I definitely need to give credit to Logos Bible Software, though the extent to which I am using their database definitely is out of the scope of fair use and requires written permission.

The question is who / which department to contact and how.

Try emailing data@logos.com; that will get to the folks who curate the databases of Biblical People/Places/Things, so they can probably steer you in the right direction. If that fails, try Sean Boisen, who is Senior Information Architect: sean@logos.com. And if all else fails, try CEO Bob Pritchett, bob@logos.com. Probably nobody is current on the list of cross-references or where they all came from or who should be credited, because they were created years ago and have been kept with the software over all these years. But someone should be able to give you written permission to use them in your work. I just don't know whether they even have a permissions manager. I doubt it's something they get asked very often.

Fumbling_Foo

Many thanks for your help, Rosie [:)] [:)] [:)]!!!

fgh

Some of the cross-references Logos provides in the Explorer tool might come from these, but the list doesn't match, so I'm not sure where they get all the cross-references they provide.

I think some post somewhere indicated that they also take them from Bibles.

The question is who / which department to contact and how.

The author of the New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge occasionally turns up on the forums: http://community.logos.com/members/71692/default.aspx. You can easily send him a message by going to that page and clicking on Add comment.