Chart of Logos 4 & Logos 5 Packages

I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts today, but I haven't seen anything yet that shows all the L4 & L5 resources by base package all together in one chart. I was going to put one together, but I don't want to work too hard on it if it's already out there. Is there one?.

The chart, when completed, will be here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhAl790TopkhdHNsTnRLY1A2RU9OY3pDNHdqTHVpQ3c

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Joe

That would be SUPER helpful. I'd like to know what's is replicated from the package I have to see if I want to upgrade to that.

Mike Binks

On the logos.com home page you will find a link.

Lynden O. Williams

On the logos.com home page you will find a link.

Here it is. Colours are not the best, but select the one you are interested in, look for the picture of the little man which means it will be new to you. Please see http://www.logos.com/upgrade. Also http://community.logos.com/forums/t/58176.aspx for info on upgrading.

Joe

Oh, I get it.

Thanks!

Kent Hendricks

We discovered that there are actually a few resources missing from the comparison chart. We're doing a thorough audit right now of all the resources in all base packages, and we will be adding additional books to the comparison chart soon.

This does not mean you are getting charged for these books when you upgrade. They are still being used to calculate your custom upgrade discount price, and everything is still working correctly under the hood. What it simply means is that you're likely getting even more books than you're aware of. [:)]

Joe

Seems like it compares your current 'base package' to the new 5 base package. However, if you added something on, it doesn't seem to note that. For example, I have the New American Commentary, but it shows that it's "new to me" with the little man if I upgrade. [*-)]

Mike Binks

Seems like it compares your current 'base package' to the new 5 base package. However, if you added something on, it doesn't seem to note that. For example, I have the New American Commentary, but it shows that it's "new to me" with the little man.

Try searching the forums for New American Commentary - I think it has been reported that the set has some revised editions in it.

If you don't have everything in a series the page will show that the whole series is new to you - however every volume you already own is discounted from your 'upgrade' price.

NB.Mick

Seems like it compares your current 'base package' to the new 5 base package. However, if you added something on, it doesn't seem to note that. For example, I have the New American Commentary, but it shows that it's "new to me" with the little man if I upgrade.

Joe, in the case of commentary sets, the "New to me" will appear if it's just one additional resource as opposed to those you own - the new L5 packages contain typically all those individual upgrade volumes that appeared between when the L4 packages were last put together and now.

Kent Hendricks

Seems like it compares your current 'base package' to the new 5 base package. However, if you added something on, it doesn't seem to note that. For example, I have the New American Commentary, but it shows that it's "new to me" with the little man if I upgrade.

The NAC has several new volumes that are new to you. Since the collection has some new content, the entire collection is showing as new to you. You're right--this is confusing, and we're having some discussion about how to improve it.

Your upgrade discount still takes into account the volumes of the NAC you own.

Also, we're not just comparing your old base package contents to the new base package contents and applying the discount. We're applying the discount even if you bought a resource outside of a base package.

fgh

We discovered that there are actually a few resources missing from the comparison chart. We're doing a thorough audit right now of all the resources in all base packages, and we will be adding additional books to the comparison chart soon.

Just wanted to make sure you've seen ERRORS: New comparison chart.

steve clark

I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts today, but I haven't seen anything yet that shows all the L4 & L5 resources by base package all together in one chart. I was going to put one together, but I don't want to work too hard on it if it's already out there. Is there one?

i don't have any desire to create such a chart, but below i have attached a chart for Logos4 (JG) which was taken in Oct 2011

Update Chart for (JG)

David Bailey

Seems like it compares your current 'base package' to the new 5 base package. However, if you added something on, it doesn't seem to note that. For example, I have the New American Commentary, but it shows that it's "new to me" with the little man if I upgrade.

The NAC has several new volumes that are new to you. Since the collection has some new content, the entire collection is showing as new to you. You're right--this is confusing, and we're having some discussion about how to improve it.

Your upgrade discount still takes into account the volumes of the NAC you own.

Also, we're not just comparing your old base package contents to the new base package contents and applying the discount. We're applying the discount even if you bought a resource outside of a base package.

Kent,

Just add a footnote to the "new to you" commentary items stating that one or more resources are new and that the upgrade pricing under the hood takes into account your existing commentaries in the collection. Also, add footnotes in the chart for some reverse-interlinears that do not yet exist in L5 but will be added in the future.

Randy W. Sims

A draft comparison chart is up at the link listed at the beginning of this thread. There are still multiple listings for some resources that haven't been merged together yet because I was unsure or I rushed over them. Nothing has been omitted (from the data available from the Logos website), but it is not completely merged. Feel free to update and make corrections as desired.

Joe

A draft comparison chart is up at the link listed at the beginning of this thread. There are still multiple listings for some resources that haven't been merged together yet because I was unsure or I rushed over them. Nothing has been omitted (from the data available from the Logos website), but it is not completely merged. Feel free to update and make corrections as desired.

Thanks! I guess the only suggestion is a package title over each base package....

Much appreciated for your hard work. Must've take a good bit of time.

Mikko Paavola

Thank you very much! That was just what I was looking for! Still needs some merging of some resources, but already very helpful.

Travis Walter

this should be stickied!

Incredible amount of work and detail.. Very useful!!

Edwin Bowden

Thank you for this great comparison tool.

I know that it took a lot of work to produce.

SteveF

Feel free to update and make corrections as desire

Thanks for note on it suggesting downloading the file and not adding highlights etc.

Randy W. Sims

Sorry that I did not note that explicitly before. I didn't envision anyone going in there and deleting columns of information or highlighting rows of data for personal use that would be confusing for others trying to figure out.

For whoever made the highlights: I can temporarily revert to the highlighted version and save a copy for you if you let me know.

Joshua Coady

FYI ... via google search I found this L4 comparison chart still online: http://www.logos.com/products/info/comparison

Chris Rees

Kent,

my
brain was in overtime whilst I slept and you voted last night (I'm in the UK!!)
Seeing as you are a LOGOS employee and discussing the upgrade website, here are
some thoughts from a former Systems Analyst and Designer (excuse the big-head...).

The
main issue is usually twofold, 1) appropriate information 2) clarity of the
communication of that information.

Regarding
the upgrade discount calculator I (and I believe others) would like to see 1)
WHAT we are paying for 2) A breakdown of this info. Let me suggest the
following

Based
on these assumptions:

i) The
comparison chart uses “Print value”, most ‘buy it separately’ books also do so,
otherwise they state Regular price. I assume the base value for all
calculations to be the Regular Price
ie what we would pay for it if it were to buy it as a Logos resource and it was
not on sale.

ii) New
packages have their ‘regular price’ determined by the above method.

iii) Logos
resources bought from other vendors are treated as above.

iv) It
is stated that we are being given credit
for the books we own against any given package. I am assuming this is 100% credit of the value as stated above, whether
we paid the full ‘regular price’, a ‘sale price’, ‘academic pricing’, whether
as part of a library, bundle or collection, this to include items on pre-pub or
even community pricing. IE If we got the resource at a discount, then we are
not penalised for this

It
is now very simple!!

1)
Appropriate information

Logos
have declared a price point for each of the new libraries thereby offering a
discount off regular pricing for the products bought as part this larger ‘bundle’.

In
order to ascertain the ‘upgrade price’ do the following

a)
Calculate value of new library package using ‘regular price’

b)
Calculate value of books in this library pre-owned by customer
using ‘regular price’

c)
Calculate ‘credit’ given for these books (assumed 100% as nothing
stated to the contrary)

d)
Calculate percentage of value pre-owned

e)
Apply percentage value of pre-owned to new package price

f)
Apply any further discount, ie 15, 20, 25% of higher end packages;
30% academic discount to this price

2)
Clarity of Information

This
is important so that customers can SEE what is happening. All information
should already be available in the book database, so the only coding is really ‘display’.
The coding for part-series is minimal. It should be noted that this only needs
to be done for the items in the base libraries, not all of Logos’ resources.

a)
The website should indicate this information in the popup box for
each base package

b)
Each line item should show: base package value, pre-owned resource
value

Eg for NAC, I have 38 of the 40 volumes, therefore it might be
$699 $630

This
leaves Data sets and Features which are either FREE, ie available, but only
used by resources supplied in the higher end libraries or they can be given a
notional value which can be applied to the library value

============================================================

In
summary, I truly believe that if this were done, ALL our questions would be
answered, we would know WHAT we are paying for and HOW the price has been
calculated.

I
love Logos, and recommend it to my friends, including the Bible College I
attend.

I wish the best for the company and there endeavours to be
seen to be honourable. Nothing has been done to intentionally mislead anyone, however,
appropriate and clear information on the upgrade calculator would have been
incredibly helpful in this regard.

Blessing to all,

Chris Rees

Edwin Bowden

I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts today, but I haven't seen anything yet that shows all the L4 & L5 resources by base package all together in one chart. I was going to put one together, but I don't want to work too hard on it if it's already out there. Is there one?.

The chart, when completed, will be here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhAl790TopkhdHNsTnRLY1A2RU9OY3pDNHdqTHVpQ3c

Using your chart, looking at the NEW TO YOU titles from the upgrade page, and hovering over the titles for more info, I have identified the value to me of each of upgrade base packages.

Since I am not a pastor or original language user, the commentaries and reference titles were of primary interest to me.

It appears to me that the "sweet spot" for me is to upgrade from L4 Platinum to L5 Platinum for about $600. Although there are some titles of interest to me in the larger packages, they don't justify (to me) the additional cost. I would still be better off just waiting for a good sale price on them since they were not priority titles. I do plan to add the AYBD. It had been on my wish list and it's available on the customize button for a great price.

Edwin Bowden

I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts today, but I haven't seen anything yet that shows all the L4 & L5 resources by base package all together in one chart. I was going to put one together, but I don't want to work too hard on it if it's already out there. Is there one?.

The chart, when completed, will be here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhAl790TopkhdHNsTnRLY1A2RU9OY3pDNHdqTHVpQ3c

Thank you for all the work you did in compiling this spreadsheet listing. It enabled me to analyze my options and make an informed decision about my L5 upgrade.

fgh

Thank you for all this work!

Some notes on the Catholic packages:

The following are included in both old and new packages, but under different names:

The Cambridge Paragraph Bible
The Cambridge Paragraph Bible RI's (not even the same names as above!)
The NRSV Apocrypha RI
BHS/Richter
Swete's LXX
An Exposition of the Gospel of John / Luke

The following are included in both old and new packages, but under different [names and] headings:

The Lexham Greek-English interlinears
Aramaic Papyri of the Fifth Century BC
Apostolic Fathers RI
The Holman Bible Atlas

Note: by "included in both old and new packages" I don't necessarily mean that they are included in all such packages, just that they occur on both charts.

Mikko Paavola

Hi!

I suggest that we could put the resources in the Logos 5 base package sections in the merged lists (for example, move the Merriam-Webster to the Preaching and Teaching section also in Logos 4 columns, etc). That would make it much easier to finish the merging process.

Another thing: It would be nice to have links to the individual resource product pages in logos.com (one extra column for that). I have collected links to most of the resources that are included in the Logos 4 Platinum an year ago, so that could be a good start.

Milford Charles Murray

I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts today, but I haven't seen anything yet that shows all the L4 & L5 resources by base package all together in one chart. I was going to put one together, but I don't want to work too hard on it if it's already out there. Is there one?.

The chart, when completed, will be here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhAl790TopkhdHNsTnRLY1A2RU9OY3pDNHdqTHVpQ3c

Peace to all! *smile* These "spread sheets" are about all my poor old brain can handle! However, I can figure out a few things and need to say a Big Thank You! to you!

Seems to be right up to date, including today!

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

The chart, when completed, will be here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhAl790TopkhdHNsTnRLY1A2RU9OY3pDNHdqTHVpQ3c

Noticed Merged (Logos) tab now has Biblical Languages (Academic Program) => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/60280/437722.aspx#437722 that lacks Logos features enabled by various add-ins.

Keep Smiling [:)]

JC54

Wonderful, I love this chart. '

Would it also be possible to compare Catholic and 'normal' base packages?

Milford Charles Murray

Wonderful, I love this chart. '

Would it also be possible to compare Catholic and 'normal' base packages?

I agree! A fantastic chart! Is it possible to save this on my hard drive without a connection to Google, for example as an excel file? In other words, is it possible to convert this to an excel file, please???

Graham Criddle

Hi Milford

Is it possible to save this on my hard drive without a connection to Google, for example as an excel file? In other words, is it possible to convert this to an excel file, please???

You should be able to do this from the "File" menu as shown below

Graham