First Impression

I've just got L4 installed and opened up. It took almost 24 hours to download. Whew! My first impression is not so great. I like the way it looks but it just seems to lack a lot of functionality compared to L3. Also, it's very sluggish. Granted, it's still indexing but L3 and other programs are running fine. My laptop has enough power to run even while L4 indexes without any problems to other programs. I sure hope it smooths out after the indexing is over.

L4 will not let me use the scroll pad on my laptop's touchpad. That was a big disappointment. I was also disappointed with the opentext clause viewer and the way it works with LN. With L3, I could hover the mouse over a Greek word and get LN definitions. I could click that Greek word and open LN to the page to read more about it. With L4, I have to right click on the greek word and actually open it? Seems like a step backwards to me.

I really wish the notes function would let me copy and paste graphics. Until this happens, notes are useless to me. I want to be able to paste a verse of scripture, paste an opentext graph, paste a graphic, paste a lexical entry and keep that all together. That's a big part of my workflow when I'm studying. It would be nice to do this within L4, so I could keep my notes synced to my Bible (like my own commentary +). I'll have to keep using Microsoft's OneNote for this.

On the positive side, I do really like the homepage. I also like the infographics. I like the way everything looks. But that's just not enough for the price paid for the upgrade. Faster searches will be nice. But again, that's not enough. Maybe my opinion will change after about a week or so. We'll see.

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Rich DeRuiter

like the way it looks but it just seems to lack a lot of functionality compared to L3.

Look at my signature for the wiki, missing (AKA upcoming) features, and video tutorials. One of these should get you going in the right direction.

If there is a specific function you're wondering about, that isn't (or you can't find) on one of those pages, ask here. Someone will probably be able to tell you how to do it in L4 (if it can be done yet).

L4 will not let me use the scroll pad on my laptop's touchpad.

This is a known issue, not only for touchpads, but for all mice with scroll buttons. This is coming soon.

was also disappointed with the opentext clause viewer and the way it works with LN.

I don't use the Opentext viewer. Maybe someone who uses it can give you some tips on using it better. Seems to me that some changes may be coming here to, but I'm not sure if I read that, or I'm mixed up with another function in L4.

I really wish the notes function would let me copy and paste graphics. Until this happens, notes are useless to me.

Notes are designed to add brief annotations to a text. For what you want to do OneNote may be a better option. I don't need to put graphics in a notefile, but for extended notes I usually use my word processor. YMMV.

Also, it's very sluggish.

There are some issues with L4 speed that are not fully understood at this time. Sometimes it's a hardware issue. Check here to be sure your system meets or exceeds all the system requirements. Some have gotten good results by turning off anti-spyware software and/or by turning of Tablet PC Input Services. But others find L4 sluggish no matter what. As I said, the reasons for this are not fully understood.

Jack Caviness

Also, it's very sluggish. Granted, it's still indexing

You cannot have the speed advantage of L4 until indexing is complete. Be patient, every word of every resource will take time to index, but the result will be well worth the initial wait. This kind of massive indexing should be a one-time operation

Doug

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/46472#Comment_46472

The indexing is finished now. But the sluggish behavior remains. I'm not sure what the problem is. L3 works fine. L4 doesn't. I'm going to give the software an honest effort for the next few days. I'm just saying my initial impression is that this cake wasn't quite ready to come out of the oven.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/46534#Comment_46534

The indexing is finished now. But the sluggish behavior remains.

This is not uncommon. Please read my post above.

Most find L4 very responsive and fast. Others find it horribly unresponsive. There are some unknowns here as to why. If you search these forums you'll find this topic comes up frequently. Those who are having a good experience with L4 (as I am) are as baffled as those who aren't.

Dave Hooton

I was also disappointed with the opentext clause viewer and the way it works with LN. With L3, I could hover the mouse over a Greek word and get LN definitions. I could click that Greek word and open LN to the page to read more about it. With L4, I have to right click on the greek word and actually open it? Seems like a step backwards to me.

I didn't do what you did with LN nos and the Clause analysis in L3 because there were too many definitions. L4 provides a single context-sensitive LN number, but you have to right click for definitions. Furthermore, the morphological data is not shown, which is one of my bug-bears! There were some technical difficulties and I think we will get the missing information, but I doubt the hover display will improve.

Doug

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/46572#Comment_46572

I do like the fact that opentext uses the context sensitive reference numbers and I guess right clicking is not that big of a deal. Most of the sluggishness that I'm referring to is with the scroll "wheel" or pad on my laptop. This is a tablet model HP with an AMD Turion 64X2 running at 2.3GHz with 3 gigs of ram and windows 7 professional. The graphics card is an ATI Radeon with 768 MB of dedicated graphics ram and the possibility of sharing more with the system if needed. It has a 12.1" touch screen. I find the computer to be very powerful for most anything I've tried to do with it.

The scroll wheel thing is driving me crazy with L4. I rely on it very much in L3. On a positive note, I do love the new homepage. The newspaper format idea was fantastic. However, I use Logos for a lot of originial language study so the homepage is not crucial for me, just very pleasant. I'd love to get a newspaper like this every morning (and now I can).

I do want to thank you guys for responding. Also, whether L4 gets my final approval or not, I do hope it has a successful run. L3 has been the best Bible software I've ever used. It has literally saved months and years of my life from pulling books off the shelf and finding pages. I love it. I'm not there with L4 yet but maybe after some of the bugs are fixed.

Bob, if you're reading this post, let's get this scroll wheel thing fixed. Maybe I'll feel a little better about it then.

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