Help with a syntax searach

I have read all of the wikis and posts that I could find on syntax searches in L4 and watched all of the videos. With all of the trial and error, I am making progress on using this tool, but I am not having much success with a particular search. It seems like it ought to be fairly simple. I ran the search in L3 a few years ago and thought I would see what L4 came up with. The structure is Galatians 5:5 - a verbal form (middle/passive, if possible) modified by a dative noun and πίστις in the genitive. L3 returned three results (Gal 5:5, Eph 2:8, 1 Pet 1:5). Most of my searches in L4 returned Gal 5:5 (along with multiple other verses), only one returned Eph 2:8, and none returned 1 Pet 1:5. Here is the closest I got:

Can anyone help me expand this search to include all instances of a verb that is modified by a dative and πίστις in the genitive? I've already spent way too much time on it.

Is it possible to do this kind of search in the LXX?

Also, several search attempts, like this one, resulted in L4 crashing:

Is it just too much to handle?

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Kevin Becker

I see why your search doesn't get the 1 Peter example. Consider this screen shot

The pp under the np is tagged with sozo as it's head term, not pistis. To hop over this intervening term you need to check "Matching Skips levels" on your Phrase 3.

Aaron C. Fenlason

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/429228#Comment_429228

Kevin,

I checked "Matching skips levels" but got the same results.

I am not sure how to tell that σωτηρία is the head term, rather than πίστις. Since I am still getting acquainted with syntax searching, this confuses me a bit. Is it because "np*" is repeated? They are both marked with asterisks and are appear at the same level.

Also, I have an advantage because I already know that these three verses are included in the result before I run the search. If, however, I did not know this, I would not have the information about 1 Pet 1:5 beforehand and would not know that I needed to skip levels. Is this inevitable?

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/429245#Comment_429245

Aaron,

Sorry, I did miss something when looking over your search. There are two prepositional phrases in the 1 Peter example but your search is looking for a nominal and a prepositional phrase in addition to the verb. Consider this as an alternative and slightly simpler search. Notice that I've tagged Phrase 1 with both Nominal or Prepositional, this will function as an OR for that node.

It returns a lot of duplicate hits because of all the Matching skips levels but I've used a Passage list to help distill the examples.

In the Cascadia graphs you can see what word it is tagged with in the right click menu or in the popup when you hover over it. If memory serves the asterisk means the node is head.

Aaron C. Fenlason

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/429254#Comment_429254

Thank you, Kevin. Your suggestions have helped me refine my search. I simplified it a bit more and came up with a smaller list. I wonder if there is a way to refine it further so that it only returns verses with the dative being used to indicate means and not sphere or reference.

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/429285#Comment_429285

Interpreting the function of the Dative is outside of the scope of Cascadia. The Lexham Syntactic GNT does have syntactic force tagging such as Dative of means, but the diagrams are much simpler and you can't really restrict to clauses, just entire sentences, my search came up with a lot more hits than your did. Of course the means/sphere/anything else tagging of the Dative is relatively subjective so you may disagree with some of the tags.