Confused by duplicate entries in search analysis view
When I do a root search for pasko in 1 Peter it shows 17 occurrences in the book. But when I switch to Analysis view it shows 33 occurrences. It has just duplicated each occurrence and I cannot tell why? Can anyone explain this behavior? I have tried to post a screen shot - but keep getting an error.
In exploring further almost every entry is entered in the analysis twice - anyone know why or is this a bug?
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Michael Hite said:
When I do a root search for pasko in 1 Peter it shows 17 occurrences in the book. But when I switch to Analysis view it shows 33 occurrences.
Apologies: using Logos 5.0a (5.0.1.0220) on OS X 10.8.2 am unable to replicate 33 occurrences. However, did notice Analysis including tagging variations:
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Seems to be connected to searching the NASB95 for me - KSJ can you not duplicate the issue?
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Hi Michael
Michael Hite said:Seems to be connected to searching the NASB95 for me - KSJ can you not duplicate the issue?
I can't reproduce this - see below:
But I seem to remember issues with double counting in NASB95 for lemma searches so there may be some artefact of that here.
Are you running 5.0a or 5.0?
Graham
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Michael Hite said:
KSJ can you not duplicate the issue?
Apologies, No. Did notice one article included in NASB analysis results for a root search:
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I had a similar question and was able to get some help on this thread:
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Michael Hite said:
Seems to be connected to searching the NASB95 for me - KSJ can you not duplicate the issue?
Michael, I tried to duplicate this and couldn't. What version of the NASB95 are you running?
Here's the version numbers for me.
LLS:1.0.71
2012-11-01T17:07:42Z
NASB95.logos4RVI:NASBNT
2012-10-11T21:56:53Z
NASBNT.lbsrviRVI:NASBOT
2012-11-01T01:47:19Z
NASBOT.lbsrviA while back I remember some duplication in the NASB95 because there were some irregularities with the Strong's Number tagging. If you have the same version number as me I would try the command "Rebuild Bible Index" and attempt the search again.
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:
A while back I remember some duplication in the NASB95 because there were some irregularities with the Strong's Number tagging.
NASB95 is guilty of doubling up results on Strong's searches but not on lemma/root searches.
Dave
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Kevin Becker said:
What version of the NASB95 are you running?
How can I tell what NASB version I am running. I am running 5.0a for L5
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Michael Hite said:
How can I tell what NASB version I am running.
From the bottom of the Resource Information page, similar to what Kevin shows.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Kevin Becker said:
If you have the same version number as me I would try the command "Rebuild Bible Index" and attempt the search again.
Kevin - I did have the same version of the NASB so I rebuilt the Bible index and now I am getting the proper results. Thanks so much for all the help guys!
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Michael Hite said:
Kevin - I did have the same version of the NASB so I rebuilt the Bible index and now I am getting the proper results.
It appears that I spoke too soon. When I do a root search for pasko in 1 Peter I now get the proper results, but when I search the entire book using @N OR @V OR @J and then look in analysis view it still duplicates the entires.
When I do a root search for pasko in 1 Peter I get the correct number (17) in ALIGNED view, but when I switch to ANALYSIS the entries double and it lists 33 - the entires double only for the word pasko, not the other forms. The problem does seem to be limited to my NASB95.
I am also frustrated that I cannot seem to post a screen shot - I have tried every format but it tells me "either the site is offline or there an unhandled error occurred" - I am sure I am doing something wrong. I am using Insert Attachments/Media like I have in the past, but I get the error when it uploads.
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Hi Michael
Michael Hite said:When I do a root search for pasko in 1 Peter I get the correct number (17) in ALIGNED view, but when I switch to ANALYSIS the entries double and it lists 33 - the entires double only for the word pasko, not the other forms. The problem does seem to be limited to my NASB95.
As per the screenshot below I don't see this problem. I do get one extra line (where both the article and noun are shown in 1 Peter 5:9)
Michael Hite said:I am also frustrated that I cannot seem to post a screen shot - I have tried every format but it tells me "either the site is offline or there an unhandled error occurred" - I am sure I am doing something wrong. I am using Insert Attachments/Media like I have in the past, but I get the error when it uploads.
What size is the screenshot image you are trying to upload?
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:
As per the screenshot below I don't see this problem. I do get one extra line (where both the article and noun are shown in 1 Peter 5:9)
That is so strange - is there a way to delete my NASB and redownload it? Do you think that might solve the problem?
Graham Criddle said:What size is the screenshot image you are trying to upload?
400 x 431 pixels - I have tried png, jpeg, and bmp
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Michael Hite said:
That is so strange - is there a way to delete my NASB and redownload it? Do you think that might solve the problem?
You can delete it - going through the "hide / restore" process as detailed at http://wiki.logos.com/Hiding_Books (written for L4 but the same principle in L5)
I'm afraid I don't know whether or not it will solve the problem.
Michael Hite said:400 x 431 pixels - I have tried png, jpeg, and bmp
That should be fine. Just to check you are using the paperclip icon?
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Michael Hite said:
That is so strange - is there a way to delete my NASB and redownload it? Do you think that might solve the problem?
Hide the NASB, restart Logos, let it index. Unhide NASB let it redownload and re-index.
The duplication of the result in 1 Pet 5:9 is expected because the article/word combination is aligned under one English word
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:
The duplication of the result in 1 Pet 5:9 is expected because the article/word combination is aligned under one English word
Kevin - Yes I expected the duplication in 1 Peter 5:9 - thanks.
I will try to hide and redownload and see if that works.
Posting images - I am using the paper clip icon. I get the same error in Chrome and Safari = "Either the site is offline or an unhandled error occurred. We apologize and have logged the error. Please try your request again or if you know who your site administrator is let them know too."
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Hide NASB, restarted and reindexed. Unhide NASB, restarted and reindexed - no change - same problem as before. Can anyone give me more advice? I have the same issue in the Windows version of L5 with the NASB. The way it is Analysis is unusable.
I was finally able to upload a screen using Windows.
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Hi Michael
Michael Hite said:I was finally able to upload a screen using Windows.
Thanks for the screenshot - very helpful.
I'm sorry but I can't come up with any explanation for this. When I replicate your steps I get the expected results as below
:Hopefully someone else will have some good ideas
Graham
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Thanks for looking at it Graham. Any suggestions at all? No one seems to be able to offer a solution and if I cannot trust the counts given in these types of searches the searches are useless.
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Michael Hite said:
Thanks for looking at it Graham. Any suggestions at all? No one seems to be able to offer a solution and if I cannot trust the counts given in these types of searches the searches are useless.
Hi Michael
I think there must be something wrong with your installation as this search should work correctly.
I suggest contacting Logos customer services, referencing this thread, and ask them to connect to your system so see if they can work out what is going on.
Graham
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Michael Hite said:
Thanks for looking at it Graham. Any suggestions at all? No one seems to be able to offer a solution and if I cannot trust the counts given in these types of searches the searches are useless.
Do you highlight your NASB95? When I was looking over the issue again I noticed that one one of the columns was highlights. So I applied two highlights to one of the "suffering" examples and was able to create an additional line for that verse (and increasing the count respectively)
I also suggest enabling all the columns then click the reference so that you can compare each row to see how they differ from each other.
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:Michael Hite said:
Thanks for looking at it Graham. Any suggestions at all? No one seems to be able to offer a solution and if I cannot trust the counts given in these types of searches the searches are useless.
Do you highlight your NASB95? When I was looking over the issue again I noticed that one one of the columns was highlights. So I applied two highlights to one of the "suffering" examples and was able to create an additional line for that verse (and increasing the count respectively)
I also suggest enabling all the columns then click the reference so that you can compare each row to see how they differ from each other.
Hi Kevin - I think you are on the right track, well done.
Michael - can you post a screenshot showing all of the columns which you have displayed?
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:Kevin Becker said:Michael Hite said:
Thanks for looking at it Graham. Any suggestions at all? No one seems to be able to offer a solution and if I cannot trust the counts given in these types of searches the searches are useless.
Do you highlight your NASB95? When I was looking over the issue again I noticed that one one of the columns was highlights. So I applied two highlights to one of the "suffering" examples and was able to create an additional line for that verse (and increasing the count respectively)
I also suggest enabling all the columns then click the reference so that you can compare each row to see how they differ from each other.
Hi Kevin - I think you are on the right track, well done.
+1 [Y] as personally learned one highlight does not increase analysis count, but 2 or more for the same word does increase count:
Sorting by reference places analysis lines together so can look at columns for what is different between the lines.
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Kevin Becker said:
Do you highlight your NASB95? When I was looking over the issue again I noticed that one one of the columns was highlights. So I applied two highlights to one of the "suffering" examples and was able to create an additional line for that verse (and increasing the count respectively)
I also suggest enabling all the columns then click the reference so that you can compare each row to see how they differ from each other.
Great catch Kevin! [:D][:D] - I do a number of different things with highlighting and the NASB is my primary study version. The duplications show two different highlighters!
I am still not able to post images to this forum from my MAC (see earlier in this thread). I will port over to Windows and try to add the screenshot from there.
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Well done Kevin
Good thinking, Graham
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Thank you too Graham for investing your time to help me. I really appreciate it gentleman!
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You're welcome Michael. This is indeed an example where I could imagine it would be nice to have the option to either include or exclude Highlights from influencing the number of rows/results.
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:
You're welcome Michael. This is indeed an example where I could imagine it would be nice to have the option to either include or exclude Highlights from influencing the number of rows/results.
Exclude, preferably.
Dave
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Kevin Becker said:
This is indeed an example where I could imagine it would be nice to have the option to either include or exclude Highlights from influencing the number of rows/results.
Yes I would agree - certainly confuses the issues when trying to analyze the text morphologically. It is also going to force me to change my highlighting strategy. Maybe they will make some of these optional in the future.
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