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Using LEB I want to find all "The [Varies] of Yahweh" phrases, but I want to sort them by the missing word for a study I am doing, Is this achievable/possible?

I know I can search for [ The BEFORE 2 WORDS "of Yahweh" ] and dump it into a passage list.. But its way to big to sort manually..

Any further suggestions?

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Dave Hooton

For one intervening word:

The BEFORE 2-2 WORDS "of Yahweh"

This will reduce the number of hits. Try saving the results as a Word List.

For 1 or 2 intervening words:

The BEFORE 2-3 WORDS "of Yahweh"

You will probably get spurious hits with this separation, though.

EDIT: See Mark's solution below.

Dave Hooton

For one intervening word:

The BEFORE 2-2 WORDS "of Yahweh"

Hebrew is a little more difficult with its compound words, so i tried

@A BEFORE 1 words @P BEFORE 0 Words lemma:יהוה

where @P BEFORE 0 words lemma:יהוה simulates "of Yahweh" using a preposition rather than the actual word!

The "variable" word is compounded with the article, hence the 1 word separation. Anyway, you can refine that.

EDIT: I misread LEB as LHB!!

Mark Barnes

Using LEB I want to find all "The [Varies] of Yahweh" phrases, but I want to sort them by the missing word for a study I am doing, Is this achievable/possible?

The problem with your search in the way you've constructed it is that you're searching for "the" and "of Yahweh", so the results will highlight those two words. But actually, you're primary interested in [varies], but with your syntax you're not actually searching for that at all.

Unfortunately, Logos doesn't really support the sort of search that you need. You could do: The BEFORE 1 WORD * BEFORE 1 WORD "of Yahweh", but that would be horribly slow, and might crash. If you did manage to get this working, you could then do an analysis search, grouped by result, which would give you the data you needed (just ignore the words 'the', 'of' and 'yahweh' in your grouped search results). You could try the following, which some find uses less memory and completes a little faster:

The BEFORE 1 WORD (a*, b*, c*, d*, e*, f*, g*, h*, i*, j*, k*, l*, m*, n*, o*, p*, q*, r*, s*, t*, u*, v*, w*, x*, y*, z*) BEFORE 1 WORD "of Yahweh"

DominicM

Thaks Dave/Mark

you're primary interested in [varies], but with your syntax you're not actually searching for that at all.

Unfortunately, Logos doesn't really support the sort of search that you need.

Thats kind of the conclusion I came to in the Analysis view.. and hoped I was missing something

I am also getting extra unwanted data too in Analysis it seems to be treating footnote markers as part of text

The verse view seems to be ok, for scrolling through 1 at a time but there is no data to analyse and 1360 verses, is realistically not helpful

Q) Has the analysis view always ignored the double quotes signifying a phrase, and treated them as individual words?

if so I think it might be a bug/design flaw

Export back to passage list is grim... It would be nice also if you could export the ordered list into a passage list in same verse order as you are currently viewing in analysis view and icing in the cake would be if it exported the grouping headings also. Maybe I am missing it??

Mark Barnes

I am also getting extra unwanted data too in Analysis it seems to be treating footnote markers as part of text

Yes, I noticed that.

Analysis is designed for be exported to Excel and manipulated to your heart's content there. That's what I'd suggest.

You can also export to a word list if you just want a simple summary of how many times each "the xxx of Yahweh" occurs.

John Fidel

A search using "of Yahweh" and then sorting the analysis graph by previous word is faster and gets similar results. The only difference is whether "the" precedes the variable. Note that the count is doubled because it includes both "of" and "Yahweh". Perhaps I am missing something in your question.

fgh

I am also getting extra unwanted data too in Analysis it seems to be treating footnote markers as part of text

I've been planning to ask someone to check if BUG: False search hits still remains in L5. I guess I now have the answer.[:(]

Dave Hooton

I am also getting extra unwanted data too in Analysis it seems to be treating footnote markers as part of text

I've been planning to ask someone to check if BUG: False search hits still remains in L5. I guess I now have the answer.

The Analysis bug here is different. Yours is about footnote markers (or syntax elements) interfering with the separation of words whereas this bug is about Anaysis including footnote markers as a Result.

I can reproduce your bug in Byz 2005 but footnote markers don't affect a similar search in the LEB e.g. The BEFORE 3-3 WORDS Yahweh gives results for Num 6:20, 7:3 and Jon 1:3, 10. There have been about 2 fixes for footnote markers in L4 this year, so

Byz hasn't been indexed since the fixes; or
the problem is unique to Byz

My Byz was last modified in April 2012. If it hasn't been indexed since then the 'fixed' bug will still appear. So you and I should rebuild bible index and see if the problem still occurs!