Syntax search functionality seems to have changed in Logos 5

I have been learning about Syntax Search, as part of that I have been looking at the wiki

http://wiki.logos.com/Setting_up_a_Syntax_Search

and the three video lessons linked to from that page (Syntax Searching For Everyone parts 1/2/3).

I noticed in the video different behaviour and functionality between Logos 4 and Logos 5, the functionality in Logos 4 seemed better to me than that now in Logos 5 WRT two specific points — pls refer to screenshot below:

When you create a 'Syntax Search' document and give it a name run it you get a query result window. In the video the name of the Syntax Search is clickable in the search results window and user is able to click on it. When one does the Syntax Search document comes up (usually in a floating window) so it can be iteratively fine tuned. It's very handy. In Logos 5 the name of the Syntax Search document is no longer a hyperlink — can't be clicked.
In Logos 4 in the query results window if one clicked on a verse number (red box) the resource which opened was the Cascadia Syntax Graph of the New Testament. This is handy to see the syntax flow of the verse obviously with reference to the syntax query. In Logos 5 however it now brings up the SBLGNT.

I don't believe I am missing anything, are these changes intentional/oversight in Logos 5, can the operation go back to the Logos 4 way of working which seems to me to be more functional.

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NetworkGeek

I never knew about #1, as it's easy enough for me to either dock the query window in another pane for fine-tuning, or under Windows just Alt-Tab to it - both are faster IMHO. Note my picture below, I don't even SHOW a name of the query even though the Syntax Search I used is titled!

For #2, I am not sure when this changed, but Syntax searches may use both Cascadia:SBL Edition and Cascadia. If you use SBL Edition in your syntax query, you get Greek New Testament: SBL Edition. If you select Cascadia, you get Cascadia results as you see in my image below. They are both in the drop box at different positions, not adjacent; in your image you picked Cascadia:SBL not Cascadia

Patrick S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436923#Comment_436923

I never knew about #1, as it's easy enough for me to either dock the query window in another pane for fine-tuning, or under Windows just Alt-Tab to it - both are faster IMHO. Note my picture below, I don't even SHOW a name of the query even though the Syntax Search I used is titled!

For #2, I am not sure when this changed, but Syntax searches may use both Cascadia:SBL Edition and Cascadia. If you use SBL Edition in your syntax query, you get Greek New Testament: SBL Edition. If you select Cascadia, you get Cascadia results as you see in my image below. They are both in the drop box at different positions, not adjacent; in your image you picked Cascadia:SBL not Cascadia

#1 — Strange that your version (Windows) does not even show the Syntax Search name — I think that that is a double bug. I still would like/prefer the functionality in Logos 4, click on the name which is a link and it opens the specific saved Syntax Search. Very handy especially if you have multiple saved Syntax Searches.

# 2 — Unfortunately the situation is not that simple, I only have the SBL version of Cascadia, you must have two because you got the original Cascadia in an earlier collection

further that is now the only one Logos offers, no matter which collection you buy/upgrade to. And as the resource can only be obtained via a collection there is a problem. In your case the old Cascadia works correctly, the new Cascadia SBL version does not (for both of us)

Logos staff — can you please note and correct/advise situation.

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/437011#Comment_437011

So many subtleties to the packaging, glad you figured that out seeing mine. If you don't hear anything, call Logos tech support or sales - they may have a way to help you. It couldn't hurt!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

When you create a 'Syntax Search' document and give it a name run it you get a query result window. In the video the name of the Syntax Search is clickable in the search results window and user is able to click on it. When one does the Syntax Search document comes up (usually in a floating window) so it can be iteratively fine tuned. It's very handy. In Logos 5 the name of the Syntax Search document is no longer a hyperlink — can't be clicked.

In Logos 4 in the query results window if one clicked on a verse number (red box) the resource which opened was the Cascadia Syntax Graph of the New Testament. This is handy to see the syntax flow of the verse obviously with reference to the syntax query. In Logos 5 however it now brings up the SBLGNT.

1. I'm not able to reproduce the described behaviour in Logos 4 for Windows. It (and Logos 5 Windows) behave the same way. (If this is shown in a video, can you give a URL and timestamp where I could see it happen?)

2. This seems like a bug; I'll report it.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/439538#Comment_439538

1. I'm not able to reproduce the described behaviour in Logos 4 for Windows. It (and Logos 5 Windows) behave the same way. (If this is shown in a video, can you give a URL and timestamp where I could see it happen?)

I found a screenshot on the wiki that shows that Logos 4 Windows used to have a link to the syntax search: http://wiki.logos.com/media/SyntaxSrch1l.jpg

This is not present in Logos 4.6a SR-3. (So, it's not simply a regression from Logos 4 to Logos 5.) I will find out if this was removed intentionally.

Patrick S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/439538#Comment_439538

1. I'm not able to reproduce the described behaviour in Logos 4 for Windows. It (and Logos 5 Windows) behave the same way. (If this is shown in a video, can you give a URL and timestamp where I could see it happen?)

2. This seems like a bug; I'll report it.

For point 1 I found link to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ2mjyxb-Ko&feature=related on the wiki. If you look at the video at time 2:00 min you will see that the query returns with link to the source Syntax Search document.

Thanks for follow up - the two functions are very handy.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

2. In Logos 4 in the query results window if one clicked on a verse number (red box) the resource which opened was the Cascadia Syntax Graph of the New Testament. This is handy to see the syntax flow of the verse obviously with reference to the syntax query. In Logos 5 however it now brings up the SBLGNT.

An updated build of the resource that fixes this problem has been published.

Patrick S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440353#Comment_440353

2. In Logos 4 in the query results window if one clicked on a verse number (red box) the resource which opened was the Cascadia Syntax Graph of the New Testament. This is handy to see the syntax flow of the verse obviously with reference to the syntax query. In Logos 5 however it now brings up the SBLGNT.

An updated build of the resource that fixes this problem has been published.

Thanks Bradley!

I can confirm that it works correctly now.

Just checking, Is problem 1...

"When you create a 'Syntax Search' document and give it a name run it you get a query result window. In the video the name of the Syntax Search is clickable in the search results window and user is able to click on it. When one does the Syntax Search document comes up (usually in a floating window) so it can be iteratively fine tuned. It's very handy. In Logos 5 the name of the Syntax Search document is no longer a hyperlink — can't be clicked."

planned to be fixed?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/440426#Comment_440426

Just checking, Is problem 1...

"When you create a 'Syntax Search' document and give it a name run it you get a query result window. In the video the name of the Syntax Search is clickable in the search results window and user is able to click on it. When one does the Syntax Search document comes up (usually in a floating window) so it can be iteratively fine tuned. It's very handy. In Logos 5 the name of the Syntax Search document is no longer a hyperlink — can't be clicked."

planned to be fixed?

I couldn't find the answer in the specs, so I sent the question to our UX designer (to determine if this was a deliberate change, a regression, a step on the way to something better, etc.). I haven't heard back from him yet. (A number of people are out for the holidays, so it may take a little longer than normal to get an answer. I'll update this thread when I know.)