Am I blind? The little Archaeology Bundle has the goodies!

I suppose I should have listened to the Oklahoma kid.

But it was only with today's blog that I checked the 'small' Archaeology bundle and it has the 2 AY (yep, it's true) archaeology books I've wanted FOREVER (they were carefully tucked away in the AY bundle that I couldn't justify).

Whoopy!! (Though it's taking 'forever' to download ... looks like 1/2g just for 6 books. MANY pictures!!

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Fr Devin Roza

I noticed that too... sshhhh... don't say it too loud, it's the only bundle where it's like that. [<:o)]

Matthew C Jones

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Bruce Dunning

I suppose I should have listened to the Oklahoma kid.

But it was only with today's blog that I checked the 'small' Archaeology bundle and it has the 2 AY (yep, it's true) archaeology books I've wanted FOREVER (they were carefully tucked away in the AY bundle that I couldn't justify).

Whoopy!! (Though it's taking 'forever' to download ... looks like 1/2g just for 6 books. MANY pictures!!

This is the exact reason why I purchased the Archaeology bundle! These two resource are really good.

Ted Weis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443215#Comment_443215

Ditto! According to Todd Bolen at Bibleplace.com (who is the source for several photo sets available within Logos), the two AY archaeology works available in the current bundle sale are gold standard resources. FWIW, there's a third book in that AY "series" now available--Alexander to Constantine: Archaeology of the Land of the Bible, by Eric M. Meyers and Mark A. Chancey. This book is NOT yet available in Logos, but it is out. Thought you'd want to know...

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443285#Comment_443285

Appreciate the heads-up, Ted ...

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443285#Comment_443285

Ditto! According to Todd Bolen at Bibleplace.com (who is the source for several photo sets available within Logos), the two AY archaeology works available in the current bundle sale are gold standard resources. FWIW, there's a third book in that AY "series" now available--Alexander to Constantine: Archaeology of the Land of the Bible, by Eric M. Meyers and Mark A. Chancey. This book is NOT yet available in Logos, but it is out. Thought you'd want to know...

That is good to know. I look forward to Logos picking it up.

Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443301#Comment_443301

Hey kids, remind (and reassure!) me please... I'm thinking of purchasing one of the bundles.. but I know for sure I have some of the resources (i.e. Ramsay for instance). At what point will Logos realize it and calculate the discount... I don't want to have to charge my credit card if I'm not going to get as much of a discount as I'd like... so is it safe for me to go ahead and start clicking on the "Extra Large" without worrying about getting charged 300 bucks?

Thanks!

EmileB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443407#Comment_443407

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EmileB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443407#Comment_443407

Denise, you are quite right... IMHO, these are the premiere titles being offered among Logos' sales this year.... the real "treasures". I have also wanted the titles you mentioned for a long time, but they were locked up in the bundle that was crazy expensive. Having them released from imprisonment in the small archaeology bundle was a real Christmas present. The two volumes are considered now to be THE standard intros to biblical archaeology for their respective time periods.I thought about giving the forums a heads up when they came up, but never got around to it. Sorry! I also have been eagerly awaiting the release of the third volume in Logos from the first day the print edition was released. Hope it comes soon! Reading Romans in Pompei is also a worthy title... the author takes a creative and illustrative approach.

Also, I want to give a heads up for the Koester title (Cities of Paul) in the medium bundle. For me at least, the price increase from small to medium was not great (my price for the small bundle was about $61, and the medium $115). The Koestner title is very worthwhile for the price. there are higher resolution pics available, IMHO (I've heard reports that the pics in this volume have a bit of a scanned look to them)... but there is quite a lot of useful material in here for teaching (diagrams, drawings, etc.). The medium bundle also includes the book on Judahite burial practices, which really looks to be quite good and well worth the price (normally, something like $32 if I recall). Koestner's title alone is usually quite expensive (normally, that's $100 in itself), whether as an ebook or in print. So the medium bundle is also a really good value (the urbanization title is of little interest to me).

IMHO, the bundle prices rather decrease in value from there if you already have the Ramsay collection (in itself HIGHLY valuable if you don't already own them). The three titles of the large collection are somewhat interesting to me, but overpriced I think. The arguments given in the Tel Dan title sound very solid on the surface... but have been largely rejected by most scholars (the author comes from the minimalist school, so that exercises an influence upon him in rejecting the accepted reading of the inscription. He is not an expert in the specific areas in question, so he is less qualified to pass judgment on the many scholars who are and who have favored the excavator's reading). But it's interesting if you want to be informed about the debate. But by and large, the medium bundle seems pricey, and leans towards minimalism. SO it wasn't worth it for me.

The extra large bundle includes some great Ramsay titles, but otherwise is largely composed of the Travels in Bible Lands collection... which has ALWAYS been overpriced, and remains so, I feel, in this bundle. Layard's and Tristam's volumes are worthwhile additions to one's library, but the others are pretty obscure and seem of limited interest, other than simply an interesting fireside travelogue from days gone by... which has its place, of course. But for me, not at the asking price.

So, oddly, it seems like the value of the archaeology bundle is inverted... with the greatest value in the small bundle and decreasing as the bundles get larger.

PS... Carmen... your personal discounted price should already be displayed for you on the product information page for each bundle if you are signed in on the website.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443407#Comment_443407

Hey kids, remind (and reassure!) me please... I'm thinking of purchasing one of the bundles.. but I know for sure I have some of the resources (i.e. Ramsay for instance). At what point will Logos realize it and calculate the discount

TIP: You can always double check the discount calculator by using two browsers (i.e. Firefox and Chrome). Make sure you are NOT signed into Logos on one… that should let you know what the standard price of the package is.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443424#Comment_443424

Well, Emile, I took your good advice. The price of almost every single book in the next level was equal to the whole level (for me).

What sold me was the urban book. I'm curious about the difference in Israel captivity counts for the initial Samaria Assyrians vs the captivity count for the Judean Assyrians (with the theory being the difference in urban concentrations). I also notice in the cover picture in BAR 5.6 that the captives were women/children; no men, and well dressed (according to New York standards in 2012 anyway; a minor time-difference).

I'll probably wait for Christmas to settle down before downloading them. Yesterday's download was pretty molassas-y.

Randall Hartman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443466#Comment_443466

SSSSTTTTOOOPPPPP IT!!! [:D] OK. I just bought the bundle. Sigh. I tried so hard not to spend money but the case for buying the bundle was made so strongly in this thread my control went out the window! Thanks for helping me see the light!!

EmileB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443466#Comment_443466

Denise, are you refering to the Yehud demographics title? That sounds like what you mean... and if I recall correctly that is the the XL bundle. A good title if you're interested in such a thing. The urban title I was referring to was the one in the M bundle... I didn't have much interest in that for the most part, and that is the title I referred to in my post.

I also am waiting to download my Dec. purchases until things calm down a bit. I have the archaeology bundle, L5 MC, and maybe a dozen other titles lined up, and my internet here is abyssmal unless I head into town. I'll need to find a day when I can free up my schedule, head into town, and settle in for a LONG download, I think. After all the bruhaha of the holidays dies down on Logos' servers.

But in any case, glad to "unearth" a few titles of interest for you. In general, the archaeology bundles really have some great deals.

(PS... sorry Garrett! )

EmileB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443771#Comment_443771

CORRECTION... I now note in my first post above, in which I gave my opinions of the various bundle levels, that I made a typo... just to clarify... the LARGE bundle seemed pricey to me, not the medium. I think the medium (and small) are really good deals. The titles in the large bundle tend to be of the minimalist school, and in any case are quite expensive normally (about a Benjamin each). For me, even with the discount and bundled, they seemed "expensive", but being that it was (for me) just UNDER an additional Benjamin ($100) for the Large if I'd chosen to add it on top of the Medium collection, you could argue that it would have been a good deal... I would have essentially gotten the other titles of the bundle for free. But my interest wasn't that great due to the minimalist approach, and I felt I should give that amount to missions instead.

The XL bundle has a lot of Ramsay (which I own), the Travels in Bible Lands set (interesting, but I didn't want to pay that much for it. Will probably one day buy Layard's and Tristram's titles individually). Denise has pointed out the Yehud demographics monograph. I can see where that could be interesting, but prob. more for the specialist (otherwise, prob. rather dry). I am waiting instead for Yamauchi's Persia and the Bible title from the Baker Academic collection. That will prob. satisfy my taste for Yehud studies.

Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443789#Comment_443789

@ Alabama24: BRILLIANT! Thanks! I'll do that from now on... [:D]

Rod Bergen

Please try not to be too cryptic in your posts...

I figured out that AY was Anchor Yale but there is no clue from the Logos descriptions which 2 those were. Google came to the rescue on that.

BUT for those of us who are interested in learning and adding to our libraries, a bit more description in the post would have been worthwhile.

And thanks for the advice, I probably will pick up the small bundle.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443829#Comment_443829

Everybody is aware (aren't you?) that the Master Bundle XL has a significant discount over all the XL bundles put together.....

I added up all the Xl (or L, if it was the largest available) bundles and they were very much higher than the Master Bundle XL. The savings rate is like getting a double discount! It is very telling to run the numbers on all the bundles. The sleeper in the Christmas sale is the Master Bundle XL.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443940#Comment_443940

12 days of Christmas? Bah ! Humbug ! [;)] [6]

james e snow

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443962#Comment_443962

Thanks for the heads up on this. I ended up getting the medium theology bundle also. The downside is I'm going to have to cull some of the bids in community pricing.

John Brumett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443972#Comment_443972

Can you provide a link to this?

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443940#Comment_443940

Everybody is aware (aren't you?) that the Master Bundle XL has a significant discount over all the XL bundles put together.....

I added up all the Xl (or L, if it was the largest available) bundles and they were very much higher than the Master Bundle XL. The savings rate is like getting a double discount! It is very telling to run the numbers on all the bundles. The sleeper in the Christmas sale is the Master Bundle XL.

It is and given they didn't have this option first up it proves the early bird doesn't always catch the best worm.

Another case of Logos Marketing once again getting it seriously wrong. Bundles are still good full stop, not to take away from them and what Logos has but together. But once again Logos are changing the rules mid promotion - when will they ever learn.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443996#Comment_443996

It is and given they didn't have this option first up it proves the early bird doesn't always catch the best worm

I have to agree. I'm going to be the late birdie in future sales campaigns [sn]

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444022#Comment_444022

It certainly isn't a motivation to buy in early when better deals are offered later on.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444024#Comment_444024

It certainly isn't a motivation to buy in early when better deals are offered later on.

You want to get in early and support Logos, but this changes everything for future sales and the timing of joining in the cheer if their marketing department is going to continue this way. At the moment I could get the Master XL bundle for less that what it would cost me to get the Jewish XL bundle on its own and get further bundles as a bonus I steered away from because the topic was not of significant interest to me,and I owned literally nothing in some of those bundles, at this point in time.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444041#Comment_444041

At the moment I could get the Master XL bundle for less that what it would cost me to get the Jewish XL bundle on its own and get further bundles as a bonus

I wish my Master XL price was a sweet offer like that. Catholic XL is over $1200 and Theology XL over $522

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444022#Comment_444022

It is and given they didn't have this option first up it proves the early bird doesn't always catch the best worm

I have to agree. I'm going to be the late birdie in future sales campaigns

Seem to remember Master Library Bundles appearing after the 12 Days of Logos last year so looked for them this year; Thankful for Master Library Bundles this year with dynamic upgrade pricing.

Early Bird also can talk with Logos Sales about purchase(s) this month being applied toward a Master Bundle plus personal sale item(s).

Keep Smiling [:)]

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444068#Comment_444068

Early Bird also can talk with Logos Sales about purchase(s) this month being applied toward a Master Bundle plus personal sale item(s).

This is what I was thinking. You still have a 30 day return policy, so at the very least you could return the original purchase and get the larger purchase. I would also think that as long as the sale is going on, even if it was past 30 days customer service would work it out.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444068#Comment_444068

It is and given they didn't have this option first up it proves the early bird doesn't always catch the best worm

I have to agree. I'm going to be the late birdie in future sales campaigns

Seem to remember Master Library Bundles appearing after the 12 Days of Logos last year so looked for them this year; Thankful for Master Library Bundles this year with dynamic upgrade pricing.

Early Bird also can talk with Logos Sales about purchase(s) this month being applied toward a Master Bundle plus personal sale item(s).

Keep Smiling

Not sure if we are no the same page. There is only one Master bundle and multiple Topical Bundles. This year only topical bundles were offered at very good prices now towards the end of the sale they have bundle all of the topical bundles into one Master bundle and made it even cheaper to by it that way than it was buying the topical bundles individually as a lot of early adopters of the bundles would have done. I am thankful for what I have but being overseas trying to talk to sales at this time of year is a big waste of time.

I am very thankful for what I have been able to acquire but just think it is wrong of Logos to halfway through a promotion penalize early adopters by making even better way to buy. It is not something you should have to talk to sales about because the offer should be consistent throughout the whole sales period. I have no expectation of what sales they should offer, but just think once set the goal posts they should not move. If they offered a master bundle three months down the track at a cheaper price than the individual topical bundles that would be fine but the way in which they have done it towards the end of the current sale once again leaves you wondering do Logos marketing ever think before they do these sort of things... there are two many occasions to list where they clearly haven't thought.

Don't recall master bundles last year but maybe you are right, I just recall Christmas credit along with 12 days of logos. I believe this is the first time dynamic pricing has been offered outside of Logos Packages. There was essential collections a few years ago, were they a black Friday thing ?, not sure ?, they are still available and the pricing on them is not dynamic so I steered clear of those offers as I regularly support pre-pub and so they were of no value to me.

Early Bird also can talk with Logos Sales about purchase(s) this month being applied toward a Master Bundle plus personal sale item(s).

As I said earlier in another thread today , and yesterday I think for international customers contacting Logos at this time of year its near impossible to get timely response via e-email. I will simply decide before the times up if the extra resources I can get at the price I can now upgrade to Master XL bundle are resources worth adding to my library - there a great price just have to determine the value of doing so for me.

David Mitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444091#Comment_444091

Andrew, I'd encourage you to email sales and explain your overseas situation, they may be able to accommodate you if you need to make a return but a phone call is difficult.

Jason Saling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/443972#Comment_443972

What is the best way to do research from Archaeology resources in Logos? As most often, there is not a scripture reference, so it doesn't seem to do so well in a passage guide. However, I would like to be able to easily find archaeology information from the passages that I am studying. Any tips?

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444048#Comment_444048

Catholic XL is over $1200

Then I would imagine an update to Capstone would be cheaper, and I believe it has all but one of the books in XL. Also note that the Verbum packages seem to be consistently cheaper from Sales than from the website.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444091#Comment_444091

As I said earlier in another thread today , and yesterday I think for international customers contacting Logos at this time of year its near impossible to get timely response via e-email.

Thankful for an email reply from Caleb in Logos Sales on the same day.

Don't recall master bundles last year but maybe you are right, I just recall Christmas credit along with 12 days of logos.

In 2011, Logos repeated Christmas bundles from 2010, including a Master collection with 2,010 volumes => Look what I just found: last year's Christmas collections are back! that appeared after 12 Days of Logos, whose purchase counted toward Christmas credit.

There was essential collections a few years ago, were they a black Friday thing ?

Logos currently offers => http://www.logos.com/product/15784/essential-reference-bundle albeit without dynamic pricing.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444068#Comment_444068

Early Bird also can talk with Logos Sales about purchase(s) this month being applied toward a Master Bundle plus personal sale item(s).

This Early Bird upgraded to Logos 5 Portfolio on November 12th. I have no desire to return Logos 5, I just wish the bundles had been available then (they were not) so I could get the apparent extra discount when purchasing with the L5 upgrade. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the pricing but signing out and getting a cart price on purchasing L5 Portfolio with the Master Bundle XL results in an extra discount of $700+.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444175#Comment_444175

duplicate post...

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444175#Comment_444175

As I said earlier in another thread today , and yesterday I think for international customers contacting Logos at this time of year its near impossible to get timely response via e-email.

Thankful for an email reply from Caleb in Logos Sales on the same day.

Not my recent experience I had a serious problem where a purchase I made, it was a couple bundles actually, on the first unlocked to my account. The other two did not, they even showed up on the website as I did not own them. It took three days for a response to the problem. The support person tried to make out I didn't know how to download resources - clearly they missed how many I have downloaded - and said everything was fine. Strange thing was after that email response the said bundles appeared unlocked on the website and started downloading to my Logos install when I got home from work and launched Logos 5. I know how to download resources - me thinks someone else actually fixed the problem and this support person sent out a generic response that quite frankly was totally inappropriate to the situation.

Sorry KS4J but the following is just one example of many I have had during holiday periods, not just this year but others years, so while you might have got a quick response that is not my experience and your experience does not invalidate mine. No offense to you but your response is a bit like that I got from the Logos support person. I repeat I have no confidence in getting timely replies from Logos when sending emails at this time of year - its the nature of the season, Logos can't afford to train and double their staff numbers for a two month period -but the should make sure they respond appropriately and not with generic gibberish to a customer who has reported a serious problem - and taking someones money and not handing the product over is serious and should not take three days to get a response back from the company with the customer's money.

In 2011, Logos repeated Christmas bundles from 2010, including a Master collection with 2,010 volumes => Look what I just found: last year's Christmas collections are back! that appeared after 12 Days of Logos, whose purchase counted toward Christmas credit.

Thanks I could not remember this one - possibly because those collections held not interest without a dynamic pricing option. Still does not change the fact Logos marketing is jerking their good customers around when they do what they have with bringing out master bundles having a heavier discount than the ealier released bundles. What the did last year or the year before than does not change what they have done this year.

I call a spade a spade. When Logos gets it right I will say so, when they get it seriously wrong I will say so. And once again Logos marketing has used tactics that are inappropriate to the level of integrity they like to perceived as having a company. What has happened to the Logos whom I once could trust in everything, but now can not trust anything when it comes to their marketing.

Even their support is not what it once was - Logos 4 was supposed to be designed to result in better support due to less complexity. I rarely deal with them but when I do I get generic responses designed for a new customer which actually show now respect to me for the work I have already put in myself to resolve the problem and determine it is not anything I have done or can resolve.

Merry Christmas everyone, including Logos I still appreciate you, just not always the things you do.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/444331#Comment_444331

Sorry KS4J but the following is just one example of many I have had during holiday periods, not just this year but others years, so while you might have got a quick response that is not my experience and your experience does not invalidate mine.

Apologies plus appreciate email queue ebbs and flows plus phone calls. Anticipating my email sent today to Logos Sales may be awhile before have a response.

Merry Christmas everyone, including Logos I still appreciate you, just not always the things you do.

+1[Y] for appreciating Logos and looking forward to improvements. Thankful for dynamic upgrade pricing. Personally have learned to wait and watch 12 Days of Logos and March Madness since all sale items are available for awhile after the sale.

Keep Smiling [:)]