I'm blown away at the power of L4: a skeptic repents
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George Somsel said:
Surely you jest.
No I don't. I'm a Calvinist [;)]
I had problems with the loss of the Library browser from 1 & 2 and found the home page mystifyingly intrusive. It was much better to turn it off. I could get layouts to work the way I wanted and solved some of my other issues using SRA's and PRA's.
The CBV severely reduced my ability to import into WordPerfect via a macro, and required me to redo the way I copy/pasted Bible verses.
The abandonment of Graeca and Graeca 2 (as well as Hebraica), and embracing Unicode, made working in Greek/Hebrew very difficult in WordPerfect and impossible to copy Greek or Hebrew directly from Libronix (this is a known issue with WordPerfect, but it was a tough adjustment).
All my NIV notes had to be moved and reassigned to their proper place by hand. This took hours.
As for L4, I never used morph searches enough to miss them, or to give an opinion on how L4 handles them, so no comment.
Notes for me work fine, and I'm looking forward to importing my notes from Libronix.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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George Somsel said:
but until it takes care of notes and gets the morph search to operate correctly it isn't useful for more than a reader.
For those willing to use morph search the way logos intends (aka phonetic typing) I believe it does work (If someone who enters text using the built in method cannot get it to search please let me know so I can shut up :-) )
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Philip Spitzer said:
For those willing to use morph search the way logos intends (aka phonetic typing) I believe it does work (If someone who enters text using the built in method cannot get it to search please let me know so I can shut up :-) )
Come on, guys (and gals), give it to him. I want to see him try to get the egg off his face. I can't do it because I said I wouldn't, but that doesn't stop you. In the meantime, I'll do my morph searching in L3.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Richard DeRuiter said:George Somsel said:
Surely you jest.
No I don't. I'm a Calvinist
I had problems with the loss of the Library browser from 1 & 2 and found the home page mystifyingly intrusive. It was much better to turn it off. I could get layouts to work the way I wanted and solved some of my other issues using SRA's and PRA's.
The CBV severely reduced my ability to import into WordPerfect via a macro, and required me to redo the way I copy/pasted Bible verses.
I'm a Calvinist too, and I do jest. The image of the dour Calivnist is a myth. The library browser? I had mine fixed along the left side of my screen, but I can't say I missed it at all. I definitely turned offf the home page mui pronto. As for the switch to unicode, I was glad for that. When I copy bible verses I do a <ctrl-c> and a <ctrl-v> so CPV isn't really of any use -- I think my method is every bit as simple. I love workspaces and have many. They save a lot of work opening up the appropriate resources (and notes) and arranging them. I thought workspaces were a great idea. In L4 you can't make a link to a resource within a note so what kind of notes are those? To do a morph search you need to enter all the correct abbreviations, say an incantation over it and cross your fingers to get it to work.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Try the search using the westminster morphology.. it may be a problem with the BHS/WIVU. Of course I could be wrong....
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JohnFidel said:
Try the search using the westminster morphology.. it may be a problem with the BHS/WIVU. Of course I could be wrong....
I don't know to whom you are responding, but I do use Westminster 4.2 morph.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
I'm a Calvinist too, and I do jest. The image of the dour Calivnist is a myth.
You're jesting about being a Calvinist. I should have guessed. [Not: I deliberately wrongly exegeted what you wrote.]
In college days I remember reading an interesting chapter in an American History book where he challenged the idea that the Puritans were Puritanical. Good read.
As for the rest. I was only talking about my experience of change from L2 to L3 and from L3 to L4. YMMV, and apparently does.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:Edward hyndman said:
There seems an intention to present an essentially new sw aimed stongly at a new user audience who is not already doing close Bible Study.
I'm not sure that's the case. Yes, L4 works differently than L3, and it's easier on the eye and more intuitive, but that doesn't mean it's less powerful. In fact, I'm finding it giving me more, and doing so more easily.
Yes, ditto here! I keep learning how to do stuff easily in L4 that I either never knew how to do before in L3 or kind of knew about but never bothered because it was too complicated. I have recently watched John Fidel's excellent video on searching, and I am off to the races!
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Add my name to the list of those who have become more impressed with Logos 4 as I dig deeper into it. I was expecting a souped up version of L3. Now that I'm completely over the fact that it is not L3, I'm beginning to see that L4 is much better than L3. The Library feature alone in L4 is so powerful that I no longer feel the need to go through every single resource I have, putting each of them in some sort of collection, in order to know all the different types or resources I have and the subject matter each covered - as I did in L3. So I will refrain from making any "it's not like L3" judgments...so far I am discovering the L4 provides me with a lot more than L3 and I'm only begun to scratch the surface.
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Otto S. Carroll said:
Add my name to the list of those who have become more impressed with Logos 4 as I dig deeper into it. I was expecting a souped up version of L3. Now that I'm completely over the fact that it is not L3, I'm beginning to see that L4 is much better than L3. The Library feature alone in L4 is so powerful that I no longer feel the need to go through every single resource I have, putting each of them in some sort of collection, in order to know all the different types or resources I have and the subject matter each covered - as I did in L3. So I will refrain from making any "it's not like L3" judgments...so far I am discovering the L4 provides me with a lot more than L3 and I'm only begun to scratch the surface.
Otto,
That was so fun to read, I quoted it so I can read it again. The fact that L4 is not L3 is an astute observation. Welcome to reality. [:)]
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Since this thread is being added to again, I'll also mention how much I like the improvements to the bible reading plan. L3's one was quite lacking- L4's is just superb.
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Joel said:
I'll also mention how much I like the improvements to the bible reading plan. L3's one was quite lacking- L4's is just superb.
Agree. Thank you, Logos for that and so many other improvements
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The only thing I can't figure out about the reading plan on L4 Vs. L3 is how to make it stop at a pericope or chapter boundary. L4 especiall on Psalms and Proverbs only gives me a few verses at a time.
Hmmm, maybe I should start a new thread for this.[:$]
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Glenn,
you can put in your desired verses for each day separated by a comma and each day separated by a pipe (that little line thing over the backlash on your keyboard)
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
you can put in your desired verses for each day separated by a comma and each day separated by a pipe
I'd taken your word on this when I ate my words ... but I think I misunderstood your instructions. It appears to me that a comma indicates a sequential set of readings and a pipe indicates a parallel set of readings. Simplified Ge 1-3, Ex 3|Ps 2-5 as a 2 day plan yields Day 1: Ge 1-2, Ps 2-3 Day 2: Ge 3, Ex 3, Ps 4-5. Is there a way to indicate a day break? That is what I really, really need.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Martha,
you can check off the days of the week you plan to read...
This:
Results in this:
Robert Pavich
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Robert Pavich said:
you can check off the days of the week you plan to read..
Yes, but what I want to do is set up Monday, Mt 1:1-7,18; Tuesday, Mt 7:19-12:38; Wednesday, Mt 12:28-18:35 ... Because L4 knows that I am a mere, fallible person things who is prone to error, it decides on Monday, Mt 1:1-7:29; Tuesday, Mt 8-12:37; Wednesday Mt 12:38-19:30. I can get it to believe I know what I mean when it comes to what days I want to read. I can't get it to believe I know what I want to read. It may be time to break out my Bill the Cat t-shirt.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Robert Pavich said:
you can check off the days of the week you plan to read..
Yes, but what I want to do is set up Monday, Mt 1:1-7,18; Tuesday, Mt 7:19-12:38; Wednesday, Mt 12:28-18:35 ... Because L4 knows that I am a mere, fallible person things who is prone to error, it decides on Monday, Mt 1:1-7:29; Tuesday, Mt 8-12:37; Wednesday Mt 12:38-19:30. I can get it to believe I know what I mean when it comes to what days I want to read. I can't get it to believe I know what I want to read. It may be time to break out my Bill the Cat t-shirt.
For reading plans that I specified specific readings that could not be generated automatically, I've just always entered the readings directly in my calendaring software (in my case iCal but Outlook or even Google Calendar would work fine also).
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