Sermon Starter & Topic Guide for iOS?
I like the new Logos 5 features such as the Sermon Starter and the Topic Guide.
Is there a plan to add these and other new L5 features to the iOS apps?
Thanks,
Peter
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Bump... anyone interested? Any plans to include them in iOS, Logos?
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Please don't.... the internet dependency is already to great for the iOS app.
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Please don't.... the internet dependency is already to great for the iOS app.
What does it matter if a new feature is added which depends upon the internet? How do you suffer? The addition of an internet dependent feature is better than not adding a feature, right?
FWIW - I think these features WILL come… sometime. Six months or 60, I don't know.
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Please don't.... the internet dependency is already to great for the iOS app.
What does it matter if a new feature is added which depends upon the internet? How do you suffer? The addition of an internet dependent feature is better than not adding a feature, right?
FWIW - I think these features WILL come… sometime. Six months or 60, I don't know.
What does it matter? How do you suffer? Well it matters, though I wouldn't consider it suffering. Inconvenient at best but for some worse for others. The dependency absolutely matters for some. The cost to cover that dependency matters to some. It matters to Missions/Field work. It matters in outreach where WiFi and 3G are unavailable. In those instances the Logos iOS app is just a glorified eReader for whatever books you may have downloaded.
By all means add the feature but make it at least semi functional offline. The iPad is certainly getting powerful enough to do it.
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how about this... I live about an hour north of Detroit Michigan... not exactly the back woods. I have the fastest available internet, there is absolutely nothing faster available... it is a (please sit down) 1.5 meg service and that is providing that no one else is using it... right now, even with Logos 5 and using the disk that Bob sent me to install logos 5, I still had a 7.86 gig download. That took over 2 days of continuous downloading. That was for my PC... and now we want to be even more dependent with the IOS version... no thanks. lets let things reside on the device, and if it cant then that is a limitation of technology... much of the world, contrary to the logos thought process... is not able to get 30 meg service... or even 3 meg.
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Woah now... I wasn't saying that your concerns about offline usage weren't important... I was just saying what is the skin off your back if they did add such a feature! I understand that not everyone has a good Internet connection. In fact, I spent 10 days in the thumb of MI with the inlaws... Lack of Internet drove me crazy! But how are you harmed if others can get a feature that is Internet dependant? Isn't it better that they get the feature than nobody get the feature? It was the tone of your post that I took offense to.
I look forward to the day when users can perform these functions offline... But I think you are wrong about the iPads current capabilities. If it were a simple matter, Logos would do it... It would be to thier benefit for you to run searches on YOUR device rather than THIER servers. The simple truth is that the iPad isn't a full fledged computer, but it is getting closer. The biggest issue is probably storage space. A 64 GB device, dedicated to Logos might be sufficient, but most users don't own that. I think if most users had $800 to drop on a 64 GB iPad, they could spend $1000 for a MacBook Air.
I have no inside info on this, but I would expect that we might see the ability to save online guide searches for offline use before we will see offline guides.
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In fact, I spent 10 days in the thumb of MI with the inlaws... Lack of Internet drove me crazy!
We have internet up here, lots of it. As a matter of fact there is one of the largest internet exchange points 50 miles away. [:P]
Your in-laws aren't from one of those Amish communities around here, are they? [:D]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Sorry Alabama, I wasn't trying to chastise anyone. My point was that when
these things get added, they seldom are optional, so those of us with slow or
no internet just sit here with a spinning wheel and the app would never
open. Then our app, is useless. If logos would make the options to be switchable,
then your assumption is correct, but as I say without the switch, we are in trouble. Even now, there are many times that my wheel
will spin for many minutes before I get a real page… very frequently for more
than 5 minutes and by that time we have moved on and it is no longer
needed. I hope that this explains my
concern a bit better.Kelly
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Paul, I am down in Lapeer county, and we don't have anything like that! Charter, hasn't upgraded their services in over 30 years... no internet, no fiber optics... just broken wires!
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Paul, I am down in Lapeer county, and we don't have anything like that! Charter, hasn't upgraded their services in over 30 years... no internet, no fiber optics... just broken wires!
No kidding? The exchange point is right near Romeo too. The ISP I used to work for partnered with Comcast to bring the trunk line up to the thumb. I feel bad for you, surrounded by 40meg service, and nothing to show for it...[:(]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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My point was that when
these things get added, they seldom are optional, so those of us with slow or
no internet just sit here with a spinning wheel and the app would never
open. Then our app, is useless.I still don't follow. How would adding the sermon starter and topic guide slow you down? Just don't open it! [In case you don't have L5… these are guides to be run… at the users behest. They don't "start up" or "run" without you choosing them to do so… just like a Bible word study or passage guide].
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My wife's college roommate lived in Romeo, and now lives just north. We visited for several hours last week.
No internet, must have felt like the dark ages...[:(]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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We had internet when visiting her in Romeo, but we were just there for a few hours … My internet problem was further north with the inlaws [their "dsl" was similar to dial up… and then everyone had their own iOS devices… it was a zoo.
]Oh, I see. Yeah, DSL is only 70% fiber right now, and 3G is a mess up here too, all owned by the same land line company, with a bunch of service providers leasing. Now all the towers have been upgraded to 4G, and that turns on this month, so it will probably end up a bigger mess[:D]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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I'm thinking that if the Logs mobile apps came with a comprehensive help system (or even an online manual) it would be helpful. You know, something that showed which functions required internet access, or in other words, which function are not recommended to use without fast internet.
But then again, while it's common place for most mobile apps to not have a manual, the Logos apps are far more complicated than the majority, and a help system or manual would be beneficial in all situations, for all users.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Woah now... I wasn't saying that your concerns about offline usage weren't important... I was just saying what is the skin off your back if they did add such a feature! I understand that not everyone has a good Internet connection. In fact, I spent 10 days in the thumb of MI with the inlaws... Lack of Internet drove me crazy! But how are you harmed if others can get a feature that is Internet dependant? Isn't it better that they get the feature than nobody get the feature? It was the tone of your post that I took offense to.
I look forward to the day when users can perform these functions offline... But I think you are wrong about the iPads current capabilities. If it were a simple matter, Logos would do it... It would be to thier benefit for you to run searches on YOUR device rather than THIER servers. The simple truth is that the iPad isn't a full fledged computer, but it is getting closer. The biggest issue is probably storage space. A 64 GB device, dedicated to Logos might be sufficient, but most users don't own that. I think if most users had $800 to drop on a 64 GB iPad, they could spend $1000 for a MacBook Air.
I have no inside info on this, but I would expect that we might see the ability to save online guide searches for offline use before we will see offline guides.
My original post: "Please don't.... the internet dependency is already to great for the iOS app." My second post only re communicating my opinion in context with what you had wrote. I would say that you read far more into what I wrote than I actually intended.
As far a I know I expressed no tone. I never expressed harm. All I said was that the internet dependency is already to great. Nothing more than an opinion. There is "no skin off my back", in fact I would love to see a lot more of the desktop feature available on the iOS but I would prefer that they functionality, even if limited, in offline mode. As far as someone spending $1000 on a item as apposed to spending $800 is speculative and subject. Budgets are budgets to the budgeted. Sometime people have to make concessions that limit technology purchase, say a $800 iPad and a $500 laptop to stay within budget (yes, equally as speculative and subject but actual occurred for me with the roll out of L4.)
I would say that the older version of the iPad (1St Gen) probably can't. Yes storage would be an issue but certainly the third generation is close if not capable as far as computing power. I have another "Olive" based iOS Bible app that workes great offline, in fact it was designed not to be dependent on an internet connection. Does it search to the granularity that Logos does? No. Does it function at a higher level than Logos offline? Yes. Are they Apples and Oranges? Absolutely Yes! Does Logos have the right to roll out what ever feature that the Lions share of their customer base desires? Of course!But as you can tell by other posts on the forum, internet dependency does matter to some. Which was the point of my second post, expanding on my first post in context with your post. [:P]
(this post was also written without tone [:D])
EDIT: I see that it's possible you were not speaking to me. Opps
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I would say that you read far more into what I wrote than I actually intended.
(this post was also written without tone
)I can see now that you didn't intend the tone I read… but I still don't understand where you are coming from. I get the fact that you want to see offline functions. I concede and agree… but that may not happen in the near future and adding these two guides (as Peter has suggested) won't adversely affect you… or will it? I don't see why you would argue against Peter's suggestion of adding the two guides.
I never expressed harm.
I think your post did suggest harm… If Peter and others would like to see the sermon & topic guides, it would be harm to them for Logos to not implement these features until they determine other features can be performed offline. Why am I wrong or did I misunderstand your "please don't."
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I would say that you read far more into what I wrote than I actually intended.
(this post was also written without tone
)I can see now that you didn't intend the tone I read… but I still don't understand where you are coming from. I get the fact that you want to see offline functions. I concede and agree… but that may not happen in the near future and adding these two guides (as Peter has suggested) won't adversely affect you… or will it? I don't see why you would argue against Peter's suggestion of adding the two guides.
I never expressed harm.
I think your post did suggest harm… If Peter and others would like to see the sermon & topic guides, it would be harm to them for Logos to not implement these features until they determine other features can be performed offline. Why am I wrong or did I misunderstand your "please don't."
I think you misunderstand the "please don't" which was just a quick request response with little context. It was certainly NOT a demand.
That being said I can hardly see harm caused by the inanimate existence of a feature in a Logos app, but I will concede that some would be thoroughly disappointed.
To rephrase slightly what I said above...Logos has the right to roll out what ever features that the Lions share of their customer desire.
Moreover I would point out that I am for as much functionality as possible. I just have the opinion and preference that the functionality be available offline to what ever capacity possible. That doesn't mean, nor do I suggest, that the progress of the app should stand still till the technology can suit my request.
[:)]
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I would point out that I am for as much functionality as possible. I just have the opinion and preference that the functionality be available offline to what ever capacity possible. That doesn't mean, nor do I suggest, that the progress of the app should stand still till the technology can suit my request.
+1 [Y] [:)]
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paul, that line goes through one of my members property... and he cant get service from it!
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Alabama, no the sermon starter did not slow my app down as I dare not
open it. My point is, that not
everything is given to us in a way where we have an option to open it… some of it… much
of it comes with the app, the moment that you open the app, these things start
working… that is what I was saying… we need to be able to not start them… to
have the option.Kelly
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paul, that line goes through one of my members property... and he cant get service from it!
Sad, very sad...[:(]
Have you looked into a wireless cable provider? They put a little digital antenna on your roof, and it communicates with their private tower. Usually they have some high speed internet options available with competitive pricing.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul, It would be so nice if that were an option, however, we have too many hills and that requires line of sight, so we are back to wired service.
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