V5 - Is it worth the cost?
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Phil Mills said:Xegesis said:
I just wish I knew I could have bought a lesser package than silver and then purchased the minimal cross grade. I called customer service before I made the purchase and they told me there was no way for me to do that. They were obviously misinformed.
if you bought Logos less than a month ago, get a refund, then buy it as above. Otherwise, I would call the company and they generally will make it right. They try to be reasonable.
Or if you are happy, stay happy and don't do anything.
Thanks! I'll give them a call tomorrow to see if I can move down from Silver to Bronze w/ the crossgrade. I purchased on December 1st so that might be out of their window. I would use the refund money w/ Logos anyway on resources I would actually use.
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Room4more said:Richard DeRuiter said:
In other words, in my graphic, I own the Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, it is new to L5, included in both packages I was comparing, but I won't be charged for it.
I think that the highlighted underscored italics in your reply above indicates to me that you really do not know.......
I do know. I know for a fact. It has been explained in detail by Logos. I have confirmed it personally. There is no question in my mind. Don't know how else to say this in a way that conveys my confidence in what I'm saying.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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I'm sorry if this has been answered before; I couldn't find what I need to know. I'm considering upgrading, but I don't know.
I've got the Original Languages library and a ton of additional scholastic resources. Furthermore, I've kept up pretty well with the L4 datasets. So my question is, if I only get the free upgrade to L5, will there be anything that I have now that I will not have in L5? For example, I had timelines in Libronix, but I don't in L4.
Thanks!
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Lew Worthington said:
I've got the Original Languages library and a ton of additional scholastic resources. Furthermore, I've kept up pretty well with the L4 datasets. So my question is, if I only get the free upgrade to L5, will there be anything that I have now that I will not have in L5? For example, I had timelines in Libronix, but I don't in L4.
Searching Logos.com for crossgrade => http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=crossgrade includes:
Logos 4 Minimal Crossgrade => http://www.logos.com/product/28576/logos-4-minimal-crossgrade that includes timelines. A number of resource formats were revamped between Libronix 3 and Logos 4, which included timelines and reverse interlinears.
Logos 5 Core Datasets => http://www.logos.com/product/28494/logos-5-core-datasets
Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade => http://www.logos.com/product/28376/logos-5-minimal-crossgrade
Logos 5 added a number of new features to Logos 4 that need new resources for their use. On Windows, Logos 4 used .NET Framework 3.5 while Logos 5 requires .NET Framework 4.5Personally Thankful for Logos 5 Portfolio upgrade. A friend is thankful for Logos 5 Silver upgrade from Logos 4 Platinum followed by purchase of Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade for $ 6.14 to add Bible Sense Lexicon.
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Thanks for the response. Yes, I know what's included in each package. I want to know if there's anything I currently have that I will not have unless I spend money. Or, for that matter, are there L4 features that won't show up. I remember when L4 came out, there were lots of Libronix features that took a long time to get completed, and some that were never on the docket to come with L4.
So: What will I LOSE with a free update?
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Lew Worthington said:
So: What will I LOSE with a free update?
Compared to Logos 4, Nothing is lost in Logos 5. What works in Logos 4 likewise works in Logos 5.
Logos Blog article => http://blog.logos.com/2012/11/5-ways-to-move-to-logos-5/ includes:
Upgrading vs. Updating: Books, Datasets, and Code
Every time we release a new version of the software, we get questions about how to get it, how much it costs, what you’re getting with your purchase, and what you’re actually paying for. To help customers understand their options, we distinguish between upgrading and updating.
Upgrading costs money; updating is free.
When you upgrade, you’re paying for new books and new datasets, which enable the new features to work. You’re not technically paying for the features themselves. The features are code, and we deliver that new code as part of the engine, which is free. Many features don’t work without the new datasets, so sometimes we talk about getting new features when you upgrade, but technically you’re purchasing the datasets; the code behind the features is part of the free engine.
When you update, you don’t pay anything. Updating is free. You don’t get any new books or datasets. You get the new code with the free core engine, along with features that don’t require new datasets to work. You get free updates to the software as often as we release them. You also get regular free updates to books as we add new tagging and enhancements and fix typos. Updates to datasets—like adding more people to the Biblical People dataset—are also free.
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Phil Mills said:
No, personally not part of the "we" from Logos Blog article => http://blog.logos.com/2012/11/5-ways-to-move-to-logos-5/ that has a section: Upgrading vs. Updating: Books, Datasets, and Code
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Xegesis said:
That is a great point Phil. I actually use google when searching for a verse because a lot of times I will know a portion of the verse knowing I might have a word or two messed up and google always finds the right reference. I will do that search in google even with logos open.
To be fair, Google searches are based on a lot more than just the text of the webpage it returns as a result. It takes into account every other site that links to that page. For example, if someone has paraphrased a verse on their blog and linked to the reference on BibleGateway, searching for their paraphrase very well may turn up the BibleGateway page. Logos does not have, and never will have, that big of a database from which to draw fuzzy search results. For imprecise searching, Google may always be better.
That said, there are some steps Logos could take to make the standard search a little more forgiving while still returning useful results.
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Mitchell said:
For imprecise searching, Google may always be better.
I never use Google for Bible searches. Never need to. I use the competing Bible program. Larger data sets and more complex algorithms are not needed. A simple search design philosophy is all that is necessary. For example, in Logos there are three main search windows, each for different results. The experienced Logos user knows which window to use for what task, but that is actually a complex design decision. Despite the three search windows there is no simple search window. Can it possibly be that most users do do Bible searches for words and phrases? Is that an unusual use of the program? I find it difficult to believe that is not the task that is most used.
From a design standpoint, a Bible software company such as Logos, could evaluate what tasks most users do most frequently. Then design the software so that this (these) task(s) can be done with one step and be intuitive to use. Of course, all the other "nice" features can be added after this. Design around the basic function seems so obvious, yet it is seldom done. That is the difference between elegant software and run-of-the-mill software.
There are two kinds of critics: the crank who will never be happy versus the reasonable person who points out flaws that can be fixed. In the case of Logos the design is built in and the company has an inability to even see a problem which seems glaring to me. I find it absurd to see users needing to go to Google to look up Bible texts when they have spent thousands of dollars on a Bible program—that is beyond over-the-top. Why that would seem reasonable to this company astonishes me.
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Phil, I have no interest in participating in the kind of discussion this has turned into. No, I would not consider Google, I rarely have internet and never continuously. Yes, I'm fully satisfied with Logos. Whether Logos is worth the cost in my opinion depends on whether You'll use it for making notes and highlighting and read a lot and make use of the features that come with Your base-package or crossgrade, + whether Your use of Logos is technical to some degree. Learning how to search in Logos isn't such a high threshold in my opinion.
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