Timetable for Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol. 15
I wondered if Logos would comment on the forecast for releasing Theological Journal Library Vol. 15 - https://www.logos.com/product/24074/theological-journal-library-vol-15 This went into Prepub in August last year. When Galaxie used to distribute these updates directly, we would get them around December. It's now mid-February and on the orders page there is no indication that this is even on the horizon yet.
Additionally, maybe a more fundamental question needs to be asked. Last year when this happened, it was eight months after when Galaxie would have normally have released the update. Is it that we just need to adjust our expectations that these journal updates are going to come out much, much later than when we used to get them?
If I might give some input here...
If this is a Logos issue, as nice as some of this public domain stuff that is coming out on community pricing is, I would vote for some of that organisational capacity to be directed at having an excellent journal program in Logos that pushes materials out the door on a regular, sharp, rate as more recent scholarship and thought is invaluable to students as well.
If this is a Galaxie issue, would I be better off to contact them? I must confess that now that Galaxie does not directly distribute them, it is not clear what is going on. All it appears to the end user is that the service is not as sharp now that it is running through Logos.
Many thanks for listening. I wonder if there are any other users that look forward to and use these journals in their studies?
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I hope they'll bundle 1-15 together at a discounted price! [:)]
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I personally really miss the yearly journal updates. Hope the problem can be sorted out soon. This was one of Logos' best selling points in the past - although the work was done by Galaxie. Is the problem ot maybe that Galaxie was getting a lot of shine?
Bert Barnes
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
If this is a Logos issue, as nice as some of this public domain stuff that is coming out on community pricing is, I would vote for some of that organisational capacity to be directed at having an excellent journal program in Logos that pushes materials out the door on a regular, sharp, rate as more recent scholarship and thought is invaluable to students as well.
Agreed. The journals are far more valuable and desirable than some of the obscure hundred plus year old stuff being pushed out these days.
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I have long used the journals and have been disappointed with the recent dramatic slow down in their development. I know that Logos is trying to release a whole spectrum of products in a timely fashion, but with regular annual updates like this, it seems to me that they might be able to adjust their queue organization to allow these to be released in a consistent fashion yearly.
I try not to watch the development status too compulsively, it only tends to make me increasingly aware of how long it is taking to release the journals since the change over.
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Last year in July I raised a thread entitled Journals: The poor cousin that few seem to care about anymore OK it is not July yet, but the old Galaxie service just isn't what it used to be and it would sure be nice to understand what is going on.
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I too am interested in these... Highly!
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I'll join this queue
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Bert Barnes said:
I personally really miss the yearly journal updates. Hope the problem can be sorted out soon. This was one of Logos' best selling points in the past - although the work was done by Galaxie. Is the problem ot maybe that Galaxie was getting a lot of shine?
We still get yearly journals we just get them 8 months later than we used to.
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Journals are essential to doing research and keeping them electronically current just as important! I join in missing the better update schedule we enjoyed with Galaxie Software . . . As mentioned, it would be nice to see what Logos' strategy/priority is here . . .
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Out of the thousands of books in my Logos library, the Journals (next to the Bible of course) are the best and most used books in my library.
Last year I patiently waited month after month when it should have come out. Please Logos.... get Vol 15 out earlier this year!
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Galaxie offers a 5 dollar a month subscription to their archives. Does anyone here use it?
Also, what is the lag time between a journal's publishing date and it getting added to the collection? Right now, 2011 seems to be the latest year available on Galaxie.
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Geo Philips said:
Galaxie offers a 5 dollar a month subscription to their archives. Does anyone here use it?
Also, what is the lag time between a journal's publishing date and it getting added to the collection? Right now, 2011 seems to be the latest year available on Galaxie.
No, I buy the journals so I have them in Logos. If you subscribe ten months would buy you a volume. I am not a fan of subscription models. I prefer to have permanent access for a defined fee.
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Does anyone know when Theological Journal Library, vol. 15 went back from Under Development to Gathering Interest?
It went Under Development within a month of being added as a pre-pub, back in August, but it's now only just over halfway to gathering enough interest. Has there been any word from Logos on this that I've missed, or has it fallen foul of their "we only communicate when we need to" approach?
It's a shame if so, as they clearly know how interested in this resource some people are.
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That's a bummer. I bought Vols 1-10 a few months ago, and have found them to be an awesome addition to my library. Was hoping that Logos would offer an upgrade bundle of Vols 11-15 when this one came out. Looks like that's not going to happen any time soon. [:(]
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I have to say that ever since Logos took this over from Galaxy, the results have been dismal and extremely tardy. What was the point in them taking over a product that was already being done well. There has been a flurry of new CP and Prepub stuff, but these journals are mainstay of many of our libraries. I canceled my the last two orders from the journals because the took so long. I know I am ranting, but it doesn't seem that there is anything from Logos that says sorry for the delay, an explanation of why, and a promise to do better. If I am wrong on any of this, I'll kindly apologize.
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To coin a phrase from Star Trek, "Make it so, Number One"! Journals are key to research and study and being current is most necessary!
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I,too, am disappointed that the Journal collections are being pushed further down the priority list at Logos. Then again, Logos probably isn't making much profit on these anyways.
I wonder what happened. Did many customers drop their pre-pub purchase of Vol 15, or, was there some mix up with the data at Logos? Journal articles are essential for research, teaching, and discussions of topics that are usually not found in other resources such as commentaries. I'm also disappointed that Bible and Spade was dropped from the Journal Library - I was looking forward to the 2001-2008 issues.
David
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David Bailey said:
I'm also disappointed that Bible and Spade was dropped from the Journal Library - I was looking forward to the 2001-2008 issues.
T'is a pity...
Wonder if as is general policy, not to have to pay for content you already own, that we can pick up the above mentioned series at a special price?! I will contact my rep Mon.
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I dropped my orders after the vol 15 fiasco. I still access them via the galaxie website. Paying for a subscription is much better than waiting on Logos to put them out. While I would much prefer them to be on L5, I burn through reading them on my tablet.
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Andrew Baguley said:
Theological Journal Library, vol. 15 went back from Under Development to Gathering Interest
seriously, we need a word from logos on this one...
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This is extraordinary. After raising questions about why the journals in pre-pub take much longer than at any point when Galaxie had them, we receive no response from Logos and instead they put them back into development. This PRE-PUB IS ALREADY EIGHT MONTHS OLD!!! Galaxie always released the volumes in December. Why, oh, why has Logos treated this product this way?!? Do they not care? Why can't someone from Logos respond? [li] [8o|] [:'(] [:@][N] [8o|] [li]
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I"m sorry -- I just don't know the answer. I've asked a team member who might know to find out and comment.
This involves the only remaining outside partnership under an old business model, and it's completely different than the process for every other title we do. It just makes it much harder for us to manage, or even to track progress on.
I'm sorry for the delay.
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Thanks, Bob, for your update and persistence in sorting out what I would consider a vital resource for research, study, and writing. Looking forward to updating these wonderful Journal resources!Bob Pritchett said:I"m sorry -- I just don't know the answer. I've asked a team member who might know to find out and comment.
This involves the only remaining outside partnership under an old business model, and it's completely different than the process for every other title we do. It just makes it much harder for us to manage, or even to track progress on.
I'm sorry for the delay.
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I'm sorry for the delay on this. We had issues with the source files from Galaxie on this, which has added significant time and expense to the project. We're working on it as quickly as possible.
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Kent, thank you for responding. When you say that it has added significant expense to the project, does that mean that there will need to be other pre-pub orders before this product is released? The product has returned to "Gathering Interest" status, so I am trying to understand that change in status and any potential impact.
Again I do greatly appreciate you taking the time to let us know a bit about why the delay.
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Thank you Bob and Kent for the response. If I remember correctly, last year issues with the source files were also cited as part of the cause of the delay. Is there any chance that this could be avoided in the future? What is the revised timeline for these now? I know a commitment cannot probably be made, but are we looking at Christmas now?
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Paul-C said:
Was hoping that Logos would offer an upgrade bundle of Vols 11-15 when this one came out. Looks like that's not going to happen any time soon.
[This is an extract from my post on another TJL Vol. 15 thread - I'm posting it here too in case it helps others to benefit like it did me.]I contacted Logos Sales because I really wanted to upgrade to get TJL Vols. 11-14 now, but didn't want to buy them if I could wait a bit then buy the Vol. 11-15 upgrade pack once available (and thus pay a lower $ per volume for bulk buying them.)
I'm pleased to report that Logos Sales agreed to sell me Vols. 11-14 at their current price, but will "dynamically price" Vol. 15 once it comes out so that I'll end up paying the same total cost as buying any Vol. 11-15 upgrade set. Great customer service once more from Logos.
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Paul-C said:
I'm pleased to report that Logos Sales agreed to sell me Vols. 11-14 at their current price, but will "dynamically price" Vol. 15 once it comes out so that I'll end up paying the same total cost as buying any Vol. 11-15 upgrade set
Being cheeky, I could suggest you should have asked them to include Volume 16 (if it is released for prepub orders in August again). [8-|] On a serious note, Logos sales are brilliant.
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I have used Galaxies Theological Journals in 2 different seminary programs now. Other than the Bible, they have been my most used resource in Logos. It seems that the same reason was given last year for why the journals were late right? It would make a lot of sense to put on hold some the old stuff and put more resources into current Journals...
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Matthew Friend said:
It would make a lot of sense to put on hold some the old stuff and put more resources into current Journals...
According to Logos, the problem is that Galaxie Software is still on an old contract. Unlike all the other resources, that means they are responsible for creating the files, not Logos. It's frustrating, because they've obviously scanned everything in and produced the electronic files, because they're on Galaxie's website.
That said, Accordance only have volumes 1-11, and WordSearch only have volumes 1-9. I hope Galaxie don't think they can make more money selling access to their subscription website, rather than through Logos...
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The Galaxie Software website shows the product available for WordSearch; just sayin...
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Alan Hart said:
The Galaxie Software website shows the product available for WordSearch; just sayin...
Still only just over 1/2 way to production according to this resource page on logos.com. [:(][:(][:(]0 -
This journal collection is such good value at $49. It is tragic to see it languishing. At the rate we are going, we will be fortunate to see it go under development before the time we would normally expect Volume 16 to go into prepub.
It is really sad, but other than raise the issue on these forums the last couple of years, there's not much else to do other than just be glad if it ever comes out.[:(]
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I know I've posted elsewhere about this, but I don't see how Galaxie could put this product out in a timely manner and now Logos can't. Like I said elsewhere, I pay to use their website. I would come back to Logos in this area in a heart beat if it were not half way through the following year before we get these. Journals by their nature are a time sensitive resource.
@Bob It would be nice to have another update on the progress and if possible, thoughts on if this will happen again next year and if journals simply aren't cost effective enough to be a higher priority?
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Anticipating a TLJ Vol. 16, it would be good if Logos could launch a pre-pub for this, say in early Q4 2013, to ensure that when it is ready next year it could be published in a more timely fashion (assuming it has drummed up enough support.)
After all, no money changes hands until it's shipped...
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Everett Headley said:
I know I've posted elsewhere about this, but I don't see how Galaxie could put this product out in a timely manner and now Logos can't. Like I said elsewhere, I pay to use their website. I
Everett, it's been explained repeatedly that Galaxie alone are responsible for producing this title. Unlike almost all other publishers, they still have an old contract with Logos that allows them to produce their material themselves, rather than Logos doing it on their behalf. Logos would be as keen as you are to take over the production of these Journals, but because of those contractual obligations, it's in Galaxie's hands. From the comments above, they've obviously delivered those files to Logos, but presumably not to the standards that Logos required.
It sounds to me as though Logos are now having to correct/enhance those files, and that has added extra cost and extra time to the project.
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Thanks Mark,
However, just a couple of years ago, they used to come out with regularity, not it seems that they languish through the year.
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Everett Headley said:
However, just a couple of years ago, they used to come out with regularity, not it seems that they languish through the year.
I know, and I'm as frustrated as you. I don't have any inside knowledge, but I think that one of the issues might be that Logos has improved the quality of tagging in newer books, and that adds significant labour. In the 'old' days, there weren't all that many links from journals to other resources, but now there are other journals, many more academic commentaries and dictionaries, and so on, the crosslinking demands are significant in Logos (because WordSearch doesn't have most of those resources). That could well be a major factor in the additional work that needs to be done, and it's one of the big reasons why Logos has taken book production in-house.
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You could very well be right. However, as Bob stated above, he doesn't know why it's taking so long and the other Logos employee stated what has been stated before. It just seems like something is missing from the conversation.
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Everett Headley said:
just a couple of years ago, they used to come out with regularity
Perhaps, but I seem to remember a huge amount of complaints about the poor quality. I think that's what Logos now tries to avoid.
Mark Barnes said:I don't have any inside knowledge, but I think that one of the issues might be that Logos has improved the quality of tagging in newer books
I may be wrong, but the impression I've gotten is that Logos has had to spend large amounts of money on fixing typos in older volumes, and don't want to have to do that again, and that, as a consequence, when Galaxy keeps sending them lousy files, they simply send them back for correction. Which Galaxy then takes ages to do.
If that's the case, they are doing the right thing. If the contract says Galaxy should provide high quality files, Galaxy should provide high quality files. If Logos lets them get away with bad quality files year after year, it not only means higher costs for Logos now, it also pretty much ensures that Galaxy will keep on providing bad files in coming years as well. At some point they have to say "Stop. Get your act together. We're not publishing until you do.".
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I have the previous 14 editions and awaiting #15. I do not see the advantage of the pre-pub option since there is no price discount. This is the most frustrating part of Logos is waiting for these updates
Don
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Galaxie Journals felt a lot like Vyrso editions...automated conversion with no custom linkage. Hopefully the delay means that Logos is going through it and getting the tagging right.
Jacob Hantla
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All I know is I'm excited about getting these, whenever they finally come.
I don't have all 14 of the existing sets, but I'm working towards it. I lack 11 and 12, and 15.
Perhaps soon
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A joke? A mistake? Surely it can't be true?
This email just arrived, but it still shows as Gathering Interest on the website...
We are about to begin processing Pre-Pub orders for Theological Journal Library, vol. 15.
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I got it too!
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It's odd because the website still shows TJ 15 as 'gathering interest'. I wonder if this is a computer glitch? If it is, it might turn out to be a bad case of 'bait and switch'. It would be nice if this is good news. If it is, then it is about a month ahead of TJ 14's release last year.
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I too got the email. Happy about it. Grateful for theological journal integration into my library. I hope that the tagging is better than normal this year as a result of the wait.
Jacob Hantla
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Me too, I got the same email. This sounds like excellent news. If somewhat surprising and confusing!
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At least the website now reflects that it is due to ship. Maybe we really will get it within two weeks...
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I don't know what happened, but the website has now been updated from gathering interest to in development with a ship date. Someone has done something behind the scenes at Logos or Galaxie and I want to say thanks for getting this amazing resource out to us. It is ahead of last year, which I did not expect to happen. Thank you to whoever is responsible. [:)]
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