*IMPORTANT:* When 5.1 Beta 1 is released, Logos 5 will be utilizing the new Rich Text Editor. Due to these changes, the Beta Testing Warnings are especially important to consider, especially those regarding possible loss of functionality and data loss: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/52967.aspx
Sounds exciting! (Note to self, 'exciting' isn't always good.) [;)]
Seriously, looking forward to testing a new note system. However, will there a way for us to preserve current note files so we will only loose data in new note files? If so, could that have some initial alpha testing before the beta is released, so we understand that process. (By alpha testing I mean, in house, not by us users.)
Seriously, looking forward to testing a new note system. However, will there a way for us to preserve current note files so we will only loose data in new note files?
I agree that the conservative approach would be to test with NEW note files and then only test with existing files you can afford to lose/get corrupt. I certainly wouldn't be testing if I had many tens of files until at least Beta 2 after letting bunnies like me risk all my notes first!
Seriously, looking forward to testing a new note system. However, will there a way for us to preserve current note files so we will only loose data in new note files? I agree that the conservative approach would be to test with NEW note files and then only test with existing files you can afford to lose/get corrupt. I certainly wouldn't be testing if I had many tens of files until at least Beta 2 after letting bunnies like me risk all my notes first!
My other concern is that the new note editor may require an import of all notes into the new schema. Since I don't know how the new module is structured, nor what it does on start-up, I would not participate in this beta program unless I know my existing note files will not be lost, damaged, or corrupted.
Importing Libronix notes into L4 was sometimes problematic. I didn't loose as much as some - just some formatting. If this is another qualitative jump, I want to know a bit about how it works first.
My other concern is that the new note editor may require an import of all notes into the new schema. Since I don't know how the new module is structured, nor what it does on start-up,
Then how does the schema work IF or WHEN sync'd to non-beta installations i.e will Notes sync at all between beta and non-beta installations?
Since anticipating beta bugginess with new editor, wonder about a post in Logos 5 forum about checking update channel ?
Keep Smiling [:)]
However, will there a way for us to preserve current note files so we will only loose data in new note files?
The new editor should (and I need to double-check confirm this) only write changes to a note if you edit it (or possibly if you set the edit focus to that note).
Thus, opening an existing note file just to view it won't run the risk of data corruption. You can limit your exposure to bugs by only using the beta to create and edit new notes.
How soon will this beta be available? Looks cool!
Does that affect just that note or if I edit one note do I risk the whole file?
Kind of risky - I have lots of note files with lots and lots of notes. It would be hard to not use the existing notes since they are a key part of my study method.
I've turned off "Automatically download Updates" but would like to know how I can protect my current notes so I can also test the new notes functions.
I copied my "...Documents\[hash]\Documents\Notes" folder. Will there be a way to safely bring them back in or convert them to the new note format?
That is precisely why you shouldn't risk them in Beta 1, even if you have another installation; even if Bradley says it shouldn't happen, because the last couple of beta 1's have had fairly stupid and preventable bugs!
Tim - You should make sure you use the command: set update channel to stable
EDIT: Sorry… its early in the morning… I just noticed the last clause. [:$] Personally, if I were you and worried about losing notes, I would opt out of beta until further notice.
Yes please do double check and confirm.
Also explain what you mean by "set the edit focus," and how it might be distinguished from set the focus. Can I read a scroll a note (assumed)? Can I copy and paste from a note (ambiguous)? I assume changing anything in a note, even if one does not evoke any formatting would still be a form of setting the edit focus, right?
A note will be saved back to disk if you edit its textual content (or title), or change its formatting.
Just loading the note will not update the document on disk. If it looks like it's "corrupted" when it loads, that's just a display problem; closing the document without making any changes will leave the note unmodified, and you can continue to edit it in 5.0b. Posting a screenshot of the incorrect display will help us identify and fix the problem. (Bonus points if you can post a screenshot of what it looked like in 5.0b.)
I was part of the team that implemented the new rich text editor and wanted to try to address some of the concerns.
First, we have taken care to be good stewards of your data. Your data will be backed up before any changes happen and we wish to alert all users before we do anything that may potentially cause a loss of data. This change allows us to go beyond the existing technologies to implement some of the features and requests for the rich text editor. I hope and believe that the potential risk now will be worth the change. I also wish to remind everyone that they may explicitly make duplicates of their notes on documents.logos.com. We do not anticipate any problems with data loss. However, we want to provide sufficient warning to anyone in the beta program whenever there is any risk to their data so that they can evaluate the risks and rewards of participation.
I hope the following points may address some of the specific concerns:
Thanks Grayson. [:)]
So when will 5.1 drop?
There is no way to limit the rich text editor changes to new notes only. All rich text editors will have the new changes.
I'm not sure what this means, Grayson i.e. "all rich text editors".
The rich text editor is used in several places inside the application, not just inside of notes documents. The notes document is the most obvious, but the improvements will be seen in other areas that accept larger form user input.
The notes document is the most obvious, but the improvements will be seen in other areas that accept larger form user input.
And so the question still remains, WHEN?
I can't answer that. I don't know exactly when and I'm fairly certain I shouldn't say. I will say that if you're considering switching to stable or making a personal backup, you should do that today.
Looking forward to this. Will this also help with speed?
Grayson, I got it!
Our goal for the new editor was to focus on creating a platform in which we can have feature parity across products and have a basis for new features. While our goal wasn't to outperform the existing editor, we did have a goal of not being slower. I believe that the performance is acceptable, even on lower end machines.
As a sidenote, working on this revealed some other performance optimizations that have been incorporated in other areas on the Mac platform. Some improvements were minor and some were measurable. The rich text editor may not be noticeably speedier, but some other parts of the application have been improved.
I am looking forward to it!
Could you be specific e.g clippings? This will help us with testing.
Thanks for the heads up... I've opted back to the stable update channel for this round... am in the middle of a class that's heavily dependent on being able to access notes.
Thanks again for the early alert!
The rich text editor is used in several places inside the application, not just inside of notes documents. The notes document is the most obvious, but the improvements will be seen in other areas that accept larger form user input. Could you be specific e.g clippings? This will help us with testing.
From a cursory search, it appears that the new rich text editor is used in the "Notes" sections, Clippings documents, Notes, and workbook resources.
This is the area I was hoping you were referring to...this will help in the H/G language textbook lessons. Great! [Y]
I am sooooooooooo looking forward for this!!!! I cannot wait to re-import my L3 notes so that I can actually use them in L5 (I lost too much formatting, [tables, colors, ...] embedded images from the web, embedded YouTube videos, ....) !!!!!
I am sooooooooooo looking forward for this!!!! I cannot wait to re-import my L3 notes so that I can actually use them in L5 (I lost too much formatting, [tables, colors, ...] embedded images from the web, embedded YouTube videos, ....)
Just hang on, Tom. All is not well with 5.1 B1 ..
Oh...
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...well, clearly then you have to go back and start over.
[;)]
Did the rabbit survive?
Some users lost the links to bible verse references and potentially some formatting (Whyndell Grizzard) but the note texts seem to be there. Don't know if this counts as "crippled but survived"...
I am sooooooooooo looking forward for this!!!! I cannot wait to re-import my L3 notes so that I can actually use them in L5 (I lost too much formatting, [tables, colors, ...] embedded images from the web, embedded YouTube videos, ....) !!!!! The new notes editor is just a replacement editor for the existing notes format; it doesn't add table editing, embedded images/videos, etc.
I was sooooo hoping that the new text editor will also bring with it most of the functions that is on http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-5 (the item that is number one of this list, and has almost double the number of votes of the second item on the list.)
note: I am not hoping for table editing, just be able to read my notes that have tables within them.
Have you tried the new editor? I believe tables can be read (but not edited).
Have you tried the new editor? I believe tables can be read (but not edited). sorry, just saw your other thread.
no problem Alan,
It the script that converts L3 notes to L4/L5 notes is updated for the new format, I have a funny feeling that most of my issues will go away with L4/L5.
