The Works of Aristotle - Let's lower the price!
The Works of Aristotle has crossed the line in CP at $50. I sure hope we can lower the price a bit. Perhaps all the new people getting excited about the "free book" will help it out too.
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I've raised my bid to $35.
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Bruce Dunning said:
The Works of Aristotle has crossed the line in CP at $50.
Noticed $ 45 is quite close to having enough community bids to cover 100 % of projected cost:
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Dean053 said:
I've raised my bid to $35.
Looking at the graph and going from past experience it is likely your bid will fail. $45 will be every easy to reach, $40 has an outside chance, but unless there is a rash of new bids $35 just will not do it.
If $35 is all you can afford or all you are willing to spend it is a great bid, but if you really want these works I would at least bid $40 or more.
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I'm in at $35 too. I know it's kind of a long shot at this stage, but I was really hoping to get these for $20 or so. The real shame is that if people hadn't bid so high, there's no question we could have gotten it over the line at $25 or lower in just a few more weeks.
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Yes, it's too bad. This really does feel like too much for these books, based on past experience with CP titles.
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I too thought that these books were worth around $20 but reluctantly I have now bid $50. It makes me wonder why people decide to bid so high. Do they not understand that it scares people off and makes them not want to bid?
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Peace to you, Rosie! *smile* Peace to all!Rosie Perera said:Yes, it's too bad. This really does feel like too much for these books, based on past experience with CP titles.
I think Noet.com will be looked upon as a source of revenue for Logos and that they might rather want to maximise than minimise prices for http://noet.com/
I wonder if the so-called "people of the world" will find Noet.com a great source of inspiration. I truly hope that there is an element of society still truly interested in the "classics" and a broad "liberal arts" education.
I also wonder if non Logos Bible Software people are finding Noet.com????? .... and how this will be advertised to the general public?
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Bruce Dunning said:
Do they not understand that it scares people off and makes them not want to bid?
I think that's exactly right. CP is great, and I really appreciate that Logos offers it, but its weakness is that to get the best deals, we as a community need to employ a fair bit of strategy. I don't have any ideas on how to change that, but it is unfortunate.
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$50 was the lowest bidding price for this work. When Logos made lower bids available many people still kept the high low bid of $50.
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Observation: enough bids were placed at $ 50 or more to cover 100 % of estimated production cost. The projected price for all bidders can be reduced if many more bids are placed so a lower projected price has enough to cover 100 % of estimated production cost.
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Evan Boardman said:
$50 was the lowest bidding price for this work. When Logos made lower bids available many people still kept the high low bid of $50.
I didn't remember that until you pointed it out. I wish that Logos would have had lower prices from the beginning and if changes are ever made maybe sending an email to all those who previously bid would be in order.
I would encourage anyone who has bid $50+ to consider lowing the bid now so that more time is given for the price to be lowered.
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Bruce Dunning said:
I would encourage anyone who has bid $50+ to consider lowing the bid now so that more time is given for the price to be lowered.
If enough bids are lowered so 100 % of estimated production cost is not covered at closing time, seem to remember item remains open for bidding.
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Bruce Dunning said:
I would encourage anyone who has bid $50+ to consider lowing the bid now so that more time is given for the price to be lowered.
If enough bids are lowered so 100 % of estimated production cost is not covered at closing time, seem to remember item remains open for bidding.
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That is my understanding as well. This price should really be lower than it is and if we work together we can accomplish this.
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Lowered bid to $ 30 for now (nearly 80 % progress), plan to revisit bid in a few days.
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Keith Larson said:
Looking at the graph and going from past experience it is likely your bid will fail. $45 will be every easy to reach, $40 has an outside chance, but unless there is a rash of new bids $35 just will not do it.
If $35 is all you can afford or all you are willing to spend it is a great bid, but if you really want these works I would at least bid $40 or more.
For me, these works are not worth $20. Why, because I can download them all and make them into a PB in a couple of hours.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Well, it doesn't look like our strategy is working although the price has gone down $5. I would like to encourage more of us to join us and bid on this resource.
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I would like to have Aristotle's Works in Logos, but not for any where near $50. If I spend $50 it will be for a commentary or some other Biblical reference material.
While it would be an advantage to have this in Logos format, it is not a necessity. I have had to come to the conclusion that resources like Aristotle, which are available free in pdf or other format, are only worth so much to have in Logos, and $50 is "too much", not "so much" for the use I would get from them. It would have to get near $20 or $25 to interest me. I bid $25, so I probably will continue to read Aristotle on my iPad in a free format.
Besides, I didn't like it when he married Jackie Kennedy.
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Bruce Dunning said:Bruce Dunning said:
Well, it doesn't look like our strategy is working although the price has gone down $5. I would like to encourage more of us to join us and bid on this resource.
Concur projected price dropped to $ 45 plus $ 50 circle above 100 % dropped a bit albeit still over 100 %. Also noted $ 40 is nearing 100 % while $ 30 is still near 80 %.
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If only a few more people lowered their bid we could give this resource more time to come down to a more reasonable price.
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Bruce Dunning said:
If only a few more people lowered their bid we could give this resource more time to come down to a more reasonable price.
If enough bids of $ 40 or more were reduced to $ 35, the closing this Friday could be delayed.
Note: need more community bids of $ 35 to cover 100 % of estimated production cost since $ 35 currently has ~ 85 % progress.
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I'm in for $40
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I just jumped in at $40 too, so hopefully we might manage to bring it down to at least $35, if not, $40 is still a bargain for that collection.
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DAL said:
I just jumped in at $40 too, so hopefully we might manage to bring it down to at least $35, if not, $40 is still a bargain for that collection.
DAL
Hang in there. I think we can do it if we can just get more people to understand.
Is there a definitive statement somewhere in the forums listing all the advantages of having a resource in Logos rather than simply in a free PDF format?
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I can see the advantage over a pdf, but if I needed to find something, I could find it on Perseus without too much difficulty. I wish this set was better priced, because it would be handy to have this set in Logos, just so I can work through the Greek while having a translation--but I can do that on Perseus too--it's slower, but it's a lot cheaper.
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We are so close to $40 now. We can do it!
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changed my bid down to $40
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JPH said:
changed my bid down to $40
There is no point in doing so, unless you potentially want to lose out on this resource. A bid of $45 is ALSO a bid at $40. There are no advantages to lowering your bid… you need MORE bidders at $40 (or MORE).
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alabama24 said:JPH said:
changed my bid down to $40
There is no point in doing so, unless you potentially want to lose out on this resource. A bid of $45 is ALSO a bid at $40. There are no advantages to lowering your bid… you need MORE bidders at $40 (or MORE).
IF the trigger can be "unpulled" so to speak by dropping the $50 increment back below the "go" threshold, then dropping bids to a lower increment IS a good idea--even strongly recommended.
If not, then your observation stands.
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alabama24 said:
There is no point in doing so
I've seen a cp drop below the threshold in the past (I think it was the Colenso collection) and it went another week. If I'm not mistaken, it originally broke the threshold at $45 and ended up going for $30. It would be great to see the same thing happen with this one.
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We are getting close to $40. We need a few more takers!
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It won't take that many more votes. Help us and yourself out by bidding today!
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I think we've stagnated [:(]
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Bump
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Bruce Dunning said:It's only a couple of hours, but the chart at http://www.logos.com/product/29737/the-works-of-aristotle looks like only one or two bids would drop the price from $45 to $40. Maybe there are some users out there who bid e.g. 35 for all of the ancient philosophy bundles when the arrived at CP and just let it run? In this case they saved a bit last week, IIRC, and could put some additional $5 to good use in order to not loose out on this set!
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It's now at $40!
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Daniel Christie said:
It's now at $40!
We did it. Thanks everyone!
It is better than $50 even though I think it should have come in at around $30.
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I think we could have easily had it for $15
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Dean053 said:
I think we could have easily had it for $15
How do you think that could have happened?
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If the price range had been lower to begin with, it would have taken longer, but I see no reason why it couldn't have reached $15 or $20. there would be only limited Greek, if any, and Plato's works contained over half the number of pages as this set, and went for $10. I can't see the value of this set for anyone who doesn't plan to plow through the Greek with a translation at their side, when those works can be read online for free. But I just have to look at it this way--we got Perseus for free, so I'll just have to bite the bullet on some of the companion volumes.
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Dean053 said:
I can't see the value of this set for anyone who doesn't plan to plow through the Greek with a translation at their side, when those works can be read online for free.
The value is that you can click on links in other books and get to the quotes, or see them in popups. Most of us won't go to all the trouble of looking something up online, unless it's something that really really interests us, but hovering or clicking is easy enough to actually get done.
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fgh said:Dean053 said:
I can't see the value of this set for anyone who doesn't plan to plow through the Greek with a translation at their side, when those works can be read online for free.
The value is that you can click on links in other books and get to the quotes, or see them in popups. Most of us won't go to all the trouble of looking something up online, unless it's something that really really interests us, but hovering or clicking is easy enough to actually get done.
That's a good summary. I'm looking forward to using this resource.
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fgh said:
The value is that you can click on links in other books and get to the quotes, or see them in popups.
That is one of the main reasons to pay for something that you can access free online: the ability to connect the books with the rest of your library.
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Kevin Maples said:fgh said:
The value is that you can click on links in other books and get to the quotes, or see them in popups.
That is one of the main reasons to pay for something that you can access free online: the ability to connect the books with the rest of your library.
There are certainly advantages to having these in the Logos format. Just not $40 worth of advantages. Obviously this is just my opinion and plenty of people disagree – enough people to get this resource into production at the $40 price.
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Mitchell said:Kevin Maples said:fgh said:
The value is that you can click on links in other books and get to the quotes, or see them in popups.
That is one of the main reasons to pay for something that you can access free online: the ability to connect the books with the rest of your library.
There are certainly advantages to having these in the Logos format. Just not $40 worth of advantages. Obviously this is just my opinion and plenty of people disagree – enough people to get this resource into production at the $40 price.
Count me as one who completely agrees with you. However, I am happy for those who feel it is worth $40, and sincerely hope they enjoy it.
Perhaps, I can make a personal book from public domain versions, which while not being linked and tagged to my Logos library, will be useful.
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For me the only thing that makes it worth it is that I can try to read through the Greek while having translations up in a separate panel--some translations which are not available on Perseus. It's a big bullet to bite though, and so unnecessary when we could have had it for half of that, or less.
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Michael Childs said:
Perhaps, I can make a personal book from public domain versions, which while not being linked and tagged to my Logos library, will be useful.
If you tag it correctly, a PB should work like a normal Logos book, since there's a datatype for Aristotle that you can use.
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fgh said:Michael Childs said:
Perhaps, I can make a personal book from public domain versions, which while not being linked and tagged to my Logos library, will be useful.
If you tag it correctly, a PB should work like a normal Logos book, since there's a datatype for Aristotle that you can use.
I actually considered doing a PB of one of the works of Aristotle. The thing is to do it right would involve tagging to the line level, based on what line of what page the text was in Greek in a certain edition. While this tagging is in the Perceus greek we already have, this would be a LOT of work, especially for someone who isn't fluent in greek.As for what it would look like, it probably would look like the letter of Pliny for which I released a pb.The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
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