Anyone know how to copy the note files from 3.x to 4.0 without going through each individual passage? I tried copying the file from my 3.x folder to the 4.0 notes folder, but it looks like the files have different formats.
Scott Stocking
Anyone know how to copy the note files from 3.x to 4.0 without going through each individual passage? I tried copying the file from my 3.x folder to the 4.0 notes folder, but it looks like the files have different formats. Scott Stocking
It is not possible as for now. Logos promised to provide an import utility soon. It should be for notes and highlights. If I understand t right, it should merge those imported ones with those you created in Logos 4.
It would also be much appreciated to be able to bring the favorites from 3 to 4. I have a lot of work in those from 3 and I would prefer not to lose them.
It's beyond me why they couldn't have made this a seamless transition. We pastors and teachers are busy and shouldn't have to play cut-and-paste from one version to another when the technology should be simple enough to tackle. I've got four to five years of notes and highlights, many of them recent.
Scott,
You're not alone in asking the question. All I can do is attempt to reiterate and expand what Bohuslav said.
Logos had planned a specific release date a very long time ago. In order to get a large number of people pointed to a single target that was necessary. They then launched an all out assault on that date. As a beta tester I can confirm the experience that for the entire beta testing time the programmers worked some crazy long hours to make it happen. I'm certain it was not just during the beta period. perhaps one could argue that Logos set their internal date too early, but it is what it is, and it explains why the "missing features" (see link in my sig) are missing.
Note import was one of those highly necessary items that didn't appear in the gold release, but which is necessarily one of the first items promised -for the reasons you suggest. Many Logos users have "bazillions" of notes to transfer.
Logos has recently asked for and received from several of us example note files so they can test and debug their importer internally. That means that they have internal builds which have a functioning transfer agent. The fact that it is not yet released means they have bugs to kill first. While I understand your frustration (truly) I also am encouraged that the programmers are determined that the importer will work when it's released.
It's beyond me why they couldn't have made this a seamless transition. We pastors and teachers are busy...
The Logos decision is beyond some pastors I meet, because they don't have an understanding of how business in the non-church world works. They went to Bible school then maybe to seminary, and then they got a job as a pastor, but never worked in the business world. I have pastored full time in large churches (over 1,300) and I have also started and run several businesses (for a decade I ran a consulting company for designing and building church facilities. I went from high paying work, to cleaning toilets at Safeway to fund my church plant, so I know what it is to be busy brother. Anyway, the main point is, sometimes pastors lack a broad base of experience and therefore can't understand the pressures and constraints and financial encumbrances a business like Logos faces. The point here brother is that while the Logos decision may be beyond your understanding (as you stated in your post), there are factors at play that led to these less than ideal decisions.
As for sending out something that is not 100% seamless and perfect. Let me offer an analogy that might make some sense to you, a pastor. Have you ever had a busy week with meetings, hospital visits, family, and a plethora of tasks that few people will ever see understand or appreciate? After this busy week, you come into your Sunday sermon less than 100% of what you would like? Maybe you even borrowed some content from a past sermon or from something you found online. That Sunday deadline comes every week and you have to preach no matter how much more time you need to polish the message. Have you felt that pressure to meet that deadline before?
So please allow me to rewrite your initial post from the perspective of someone sitting in the pew, listening and expecting your best sermon. They are not happy and realize your message was not as refined as what they have grown accustomed to hearing. They approach you after the service in the Foyer and say, "Pastor Scott, it's beyond me why you couldn't have made this a more polished sermon with better application points. We congregation members are busy during the week and expect you to give us a polished message. I remember you preached this message a few years ago and I expect my pastor should not play cut-and-paste from one sermon to another when we pay your salary and a fresh sermon with better illustrations seems simple enough to tackle." Scott, I imagine you would not feel so appreciated and you might want to explain your hectic week and the other demands of your ministry.
I realize my analogy is not perfect. And while it will not help answer the question of "why" logos did not give you a perfect and seamless transition tool for your notes, However, I hope it helps you get a little closer to giving grace to the brothers and sisters who are working hard to serve you. Your brothers and sisters at Logos are, like you, working very hard to give you and me some amazing tools to preach God's Word. If you wait a month or two to import your notes, will that really hinder your ability to teach, shepherd and love your church-Family? I would guess not. so I hope you can keep on teaching and serving your people while Logos implements the import feature for you.
Peace brother!
So does Logos still need more note files to test? I incorporate Greek and Hebrew into my notes, and I always hyperlink Scripture references. I'd be happy to send my 3.x notes along for testing purposes. I'm teaching a class that features Logos in February, so I'm scrambling to learn the new system and revise my syllabus and lesson plans accordingly.
You might contact Logos about that. It is some time already since they addressed us with the request.
The good thing is that Logos promises to have import that will merge the L3 notes and highlights, so we just can continue creating new ones and later on we will be able to include the L3 ones again. I can live with this.
Joe, I'm not against extending grace, but as a trivocational pastor (at times, don't have a regular church right now), I teach college courses in Bible, JH/HS math, and I edit books of all genres, including some from major denominational publishing houses. I recently edited a book by a well-known OT scholar that had as much text in the footnotes as it did in the main book. However, the author had not followed standard footnote format, giving partial or abbreviated references before fully citing the source in later footnotes. I spent about 70 hours in one week starting from the beginning of 155 pages of single-spaced footnotes in a Word file, found the first occurrence of each source, then shortened all subsequent references, and cross-referenced the first reference of each source in each chapter back to its original note citation. I knocked off 20 pages from the file. A few years ago, I also edited a dental dictionary that was constructed in .xml and converted to print.
All this to say I do have a good idea of how the publishing industry works, whether print or electronic. Sending out Logos 4 without having the ability to import the notes is like publishing a textbook without an index (and I have done indexes as well in more than one language). The index makes the book much more user friendly as does the ability to create notes and cross reference other materials in the library. I know Logos is a great product, and that's why I have such high expectations of it.
One more thing. How would I search for the import feature on Logos.com? When I search "import notes," I get hundreds of references to "important notes."
Scott, if you're looking for the thread mentioned above, it is here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/242/2510.aspx
HI Scott, sounds like you do a lot of great work with Logos notes. There is nothing on the site that really officially talks about it, but there was a thread that talked about submitting notes for testing of the new import tool Logos is building. If no one can produce the link, the best option is to email support@logos.com, and ask where you can send your note file to. They should be able to help.
Blessings.
Thanks Damian, I knew someone would find it for Scott :-)
But, I can't remember what search terms I used. I found it straight away and now can't repeat it.....
Scott, Given your expertise on note taking and book editing/writing, can you help another user on this thread
Re: How to use Logos note function in writing a book
The only other thing I'd add to all the other great information that has been given here, is that we're not likely to see note import until the NIV and NLT Reverse Intelinears are finished and in our hands. I have hundreds of notes on the NIV, and know that a sheme to import to this NIV will just have to be redone when the rev int comes out some time soon.
I'm also guessing that this will also be tested, perhaps in the current string of betas before it goes gold. But that's a total guess. It may not be necessary.
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