Bakers Bible Dictionary
Why am I thinking I saw a Baker's Bible Dictionary, listed I think for 139.00. I cannot find it now so was I hallucinating or am I off on it being an encyclopedia or a Dictionary ---- or maybe even a colouring book???
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Well, if it be a Cookbook, this will confirm I'm totally baked. So then, Baker has no Dictionary per se in the price range mention, correct?
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Bootjack said:
So then, Baker has no Dictionary per se in the price range mention, correct?
None that I can see. There are some pre-pub resources listed… but not in that price range.
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Bootjack said:
Why am I thinking I saw a Baker's Bible Dictionary, listed I think for 139.00. I cannot find it now so was I hallucinating or am I off on it being an encyclopedia or a Dictionary ---- or maybe even a colouring book???
You're not hallucinating: http://www.logos.com/product/5798/baker-encyclopedia-of-the-bible
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That's the one Mark. I was for some weird & wonderful reason, thinking it was a Dictionary. But an Encyclopedia it is sir. Thank you very much for that.
Give me your judgment on this when put up against the latest ISBE?
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Bootjack, you might want to follow this thread instead of asking Mark to repeat what has already been stated in various threads. :-}
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50733/374266.aspx#374266
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Bootjack said:
Give me your judgment on this when put up against the latest ISBE?
Remember the Baker Encyclopedia is in base packages (Bronze and above), so you might find it worthwhile it getting the base package, if you're thinking about it.
The new ISBE is more detailed than Baker, and somewhat more scholarly. It's probably about twice the length, with twice the number of illustrations. So it has more articles, and they're more detailed. To chose at random words beginning with "Nec":
- Baker: Neco (446 words), Necromancer (15 words)
- ISBE: Necklace (372 words and 2 pictures), Neco (622 words), Necodan (15 words), Necromancer (12 words), Nectar (57 words)
But Baker is often more readable, and I use it quite frequently as a result. Below are both dictionaries articles on "needle" as a sample. Because it's in a base package, BEB is also better tagged, so images, for example, are more likely to show up in Bible Facts.
Baker: Object used in Jesus’ lesson about the rich man and entrance into God’s kingdom. Following his discussion with the rich young ruler, Jesus told his disciples that “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” (Mt 19:24; Mk 10:25; Lk 18:25). Jesus was not condemning riches or wealth but the change of will and false security that they may engender, as was the case with the rich young ruler (cf. Mt 19:21, 22; Mk 10:21, 22; Lk 18:22, 23). Entrance into God’s kingdom is an act of God not of man. Using the largest land animal in Palestine, Jesus paralleled the absurdity of a camel passing through the eye of a needle with a rich man’s attempt to use his position and possessions to gain entrance into heaven. A similar expression is found in rabbinic literature, where the elephant is pictured as passing through the eye of a needle.
ISBE: [Gk hraphís (Mt. 19:24; Mk. 10:25), belónē (Lk. 18:25)]. A word occurring only in the Synoptic accounts of Jesus’ saying about the eye of the needle. Reflecting his medical background, Luke used belónē, which refers to a needle regularly used for surgical purposes. Jesus’ saying in the Synoptics is both eschatological and proverbial. It is used to illustrate (from a human perspective) the impossibility and cost of entering the kingdom of God. In Palestine the camel was the largest animal and the eye of the needle the smallest opening (cf. Mt. 23:24), hence the appropriateness of the proverb for Jesus’ point. The rich man in the saying is someone who trusts in and identifies himself with his wealth. For such a person to expect a share in God’s kingdom is absurd since trust in the Messiah (Mt. 16:13–20), identification with the kingdom and its priorities (6:33), and obedience to its law are the conditions for eternal life (cf. 19:16). Thus Jesus’ command to the rich man to sell his possessions, give to the poor, and follow Him in order to have treasure in heaven (19:21) tested him at the point of his resistance to God and His kingdom. So understood, Jesus’ words are neither a universal command for all disciples nor a critique of wealth per se, but a warning about the spiritual danger wealth poses to the hearts of the rich and the implications of this for membership in the kingdom. Other interpretations of “the eye of the needle” have been suggested in order to make Jesus’ words less harsh. (1) It was a narrow gorge. (2) It was one of the gates in the walls of Jerusalem. Both views lack supporting evidence. (3) Kámēlos, “camel,” has been changed to kámilos, “cable, rope,” in some late MSS. The proverbial nature of Jesus’ saying is reflected in two later talmudic passages (T.B. Baba Metzia 38b; Berakoth 55b; cf. also Midrash Cant. 5:2; Koran 7:38).
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Bootjack - The mark from the thread you linked to is a different Mark. [:P]
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There's some days I make a mistake and do it right! Today obviously wasn't one of them in that I understood one Mark to mean another. Permit me to say Ooops!
Mark Barnes - I have Silver so I would have the base packages of Baker. From what I understand, the new ISBE might be the better choice. I have the 1915 edition of the ISBE in another Bible program, but I understand these to be two different works. Am I correct in that?
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Bootjack said:
I have the 1915 edition of the ISBE in another Bible program, but I understand these to be two different works. Am I correct in that?
That's correct. Logos' version of the 1915 ISBE isn't available yet, so I can't do a comparison. The publishers' blurb says, "It is a brand new work. It only shares the name with the former edition." The preface says this:
In view of the high esteem in which ISBE has been held, it was felt at first that the bulk of the existing material should be retained in its original format. A good deal of work was done on that premise. Increasingly it became obvious that with the pace and magnitude of biblical and archeological changes, along with the rapid shifts in the political, geographical, and social life of the Near East, more would have to be done, so that a call went out for more articles and contributors. Eventually the editors and publishers were forced to acknowledge, however reluctantly, that a thorough updating of both matter and format constituted the only logical course, so that now, although some of the most durable of the original material remains, the revision has become to all intents and purposes a new, or at least a completely reconstructed, encyclopedia...
...It might be noted that, in order to maintain continuity with the past, many articles have been preserved in emended form and a few particularly significant ones have been preserved virtually unchanged. To the latter group belong especially the article on the Bible by James Orr, General Editor of the first edition, and that on inspiration by B. B. Warfield. If in Orr’s article the section on the literary origin and growth of the Old and New Testaments needs revision, readers may be referred to the entries under the individual books and still profit from Orr’s article, as from that of Warfield, as an evangelical statement of the early 20th century. That Orr and Warfield differed in the nuances of biblical understanding, yet did not see in this a reason for breaking evangelical unity, gives additional value to their representative articles.
Having spoken of the general continuity between the editions, we may speak more briefly of the detailed discontinuity. In one way the greatest single change is the elimination of most of the indexes. Indexes are obviously useful, but in alphabetically arranged dictionaries and encyclopedias they are obviously not essential. Their retention would have added disproportionately to the expense and price of the series. It is mainly for this reason that they have been deleted.
Of a different order, but possibly even more significant in its own way, is the adoption of the RSV instead of the ASV as the approved English rendering of the Bible. Naturally, an iron rule has not been imposed here. Variants are provided where useful and appropriate. Words from the AV or ASV which have been dropped from the RSV are still listed. It seems, however, that the RSV has now sufficiently established itself, especially in the scholarly world, to justify its general adoption.
Mention need hardly be made of the wholesale replacement of the older maps and illustrations. Even a cursory glance at the earlier editions will show the need for the radical updating which has been done.
Lesser but not unimportant changes have been made in such matters as abbreviations, pronunciations, and schemes of transliteration. The changes here are not just for the sake of change but to bring ISBE into line with generally accepted, although not, of course, definitively established practice in these areas. Details of the adopted schemes will be found in the pages that follow.
Superficially the old ISBE might seem to have been changed beyond recognition by these alterations and updatings. Readers will quickly see, however, that this is not so, for the material continuity, represented by the listings, far outweighs the formal discontinuity. The same fulness, authority, and accessibility have been sought in the new ISBE as in the old. Every effort has again been made to produce an encyclopedia that can meet the “exacting requirements” of teachers, students, pastors, and “all others who desire to be familiar with the Holy Scriptures.” We trust that the new ISBE will have the same enduring value and engender the same enduring affection as the old.
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Hey, Mark. In fact the 1915 ISBE is available in Libronix (Logos 3). Martin.Mark Barnes said:
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Interesting to say the least. Thank you Mark!
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I think New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (5 vols.) is the best. Reviews: http://books.google.se/books?id=0YmjZwEACAAJ&sitesec=reviews&hl=sv
I've been discussing Bible dictionaries and encyclopaedias in: I have Harper's. A bit more adv. dict.? (presupp. a bit of Gk).
I think that the Baker Encyclopedia and the revised ISBE are dated, but I have more reasons for not choosing them.
Right after I upgraded, during the winter I likewise forgot about having the Baker Encyclopedia because I didn't care for expensive Bible dictionaries/encyclopaedias.
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This would be ok if one could get it now but gauging how fast it's coming up to being completed in digital form, it's not going to be right soon!
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I agree with Mark Barnes. If I could only have one, I would chose the ISBE, but the Baker is very good and it is valuable enough that I always consult it along with the ISBE. The IVP Dictionaries are also tremendous values.
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In this case I'm a bit sad that Logos always has to implement their pre-pub system, the price would however be higher without the system.
Then it's up to if You can manage with just Baker meanwhile, that's what I'm doing:
Bootjack said:This would be ok if one could get it now but gauging how fast it's coming up to being completed in digital form, it's not going to be right soon!
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