New on PrePub - Doug Moo on Galatians - BECNT

Seems like a no-brainer, but pricy:

http://www.logos.com/product/31904/baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament-galatians

Amazon lists Nov. 2013 as publication date, and discounts the volume from a list of $45 to just over $27.25, a decent 39%

Logos version list ptice is also $45, but the PrePub price is $40.45, a discount of only 10%.

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Mark Barnes

I've noticed that the pre-pub discount seems to be getting lower and lower - particularly for books that will no doubt prove popular.

Unix

I think Paideia Commentaries on the New Testament: Romans by Frank J. Matera

... is better. I have it as printed matter since a while. I've reviewed it in: Practical Commentary on Scripture - page 3 and Practical Commentary on Scripture - page 3 ... everyone's welcome to post there!

Todd Phillips

Logos version list ptice is also $45, but the PrePub price is $40.45, a discount of only 10%.

Thanks for the heads up. But with a discount like that, I think I'll wait for a real sale.

JT (alabama24)

I think Paideia Commentaries on the New Testament: Romans by Frank J. Matera ... is better.

How would you know, Unix? Moo's commentary hasn't been released yet. [;)]

Donovan R. Palmer

I've noticed that the pre-pub discount seems to be getting lower and lower - particularly for books that will no doubt prove popular.

Agreed. It would appear there is a push to increase the margins a bit more on sales/prepubs.

David Bailey

Seems like a no-brainer, but pricy:

http://www.logos.com/product/31904/baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament-galatians

Amazon lists Nov. 2013 as publication date, and discounts the volume from a list of $45 to just over $27.25, a decent 39%

Logos version list ptice is also $45, but the PrePub price is $40.45, a discount of only 10%.

Thanks Randy for the info and link. If Logos is offering this single volume commentary (which is part of a larger set), could they also offer the single volume commentary, published last December, called The Book of Judges from the NICOT series?

David

Evan Boardman

Unix is confusing Galatians for Romans. I also think there's a better Romans commentary than Moo's. I thought Murray did alot better job! But thats another subject.[;)]

Bruce Dunning

I've noticed that the pre-pub discount seems to be getting lower and lower - particularly for books that will no doubt prove popular.

I have been noticing the same thing. I guess the law of supply and demand come into play.

Todd Phillips

I've noticed that the pre-pub discount seems to be getting lower and lower - particularly for books that will no doubt prove popular.

I have been noticing the same thing. I guess the law of supply and demand come into play.

I just remembered that Baker has listed a lot of pre-pubs without any discount in the past (I remembered adding then deleting Encountering the Book of Psalms from my prepub orders because there wasn't any point in preordering). So I suppose this is a deep discount for them.

Mark Barnes

I just remembered that Baker has listed a lot of pre-pubs without any discount in the past (I remembered adding then deleting Encountering the Book of Psalms from my prepub orders because there wasn't any point in preordering). So I suppose this is a deep discount for them.

Even this BECNT on Galatians has no discount on the normal Logos price - just on the print edition's price. To be fair to Baker they have 34 pre-pubs on at the moment, and only two are not discounted (and unfortunately for me, I want them both!). And to be even fairer, I was able to get the 85 volume Baker Academic Biblical Studies Bundle for only $988, which is a 60% discount.

And to be fair to Logos, of the 436 pre-pubs currently on offer, all but six are discounted. But even though I only order a fraction of the available pre-pubs, I've ordered four of the six that have no discount, which I guess is why it seems to me as though the discounts are disappearing.

Josh

40 bucks...ouch.

Whyndell Grizzard

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David Paul

I'm shocked that Moo decided to write on something besides RoMoons...I thought for sure he was going to try for half a dozen. Quitter!!

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KJ Niblett

I might wait for Moo's next commentary on RoMoon's they might bundle it with this one on Galatians

Mathew Voth

I am just surprised that they are selling this individually and not in a package like previously. I wonder why, and if this will be the casewith the rest of the volumes?

David Paul

Hmmm....I wonder how necessary it really is for Moo to include the J. in his name?

Is it really that likely that he will be confused with all the other Douglas Moo's out there that are publishing books?

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Geo Philips

He has a really good volume on James in the Pillar series too... [:)]

Geo Philips

Carson tells the story in one of his lectures on how Moo got his name... It involves immigration and Ellis island [:D]

Mike Childs

Seems like a no-brainer, but pricy:

Logos version list ptice is also $45, but the PrePub price is $40.45, a discount of only 10%.

It is not a "no brainer" when the hardback book is on preorder for less than $27, and the Logos copy is more than $40.

I have to strain my brain to decide if the advantage of having the book in Logos worth an additional $13 to me?

For me, it seems that the time of trying to get everything in Logos is over. I will have to use a "blended" library of Logos supplemented by other ebooks and paper books. In reality I have been edging in that direction for some time, but this one may push me over the edge.

JT (alabama24)

I have to strain my brain to decide if the advantage of having the book in Logos worth an additional $13 to me?

I have similar thoughts, although I lean towards "do I really need this resource"? If the price comes down, I will consider it. It isn't worth $27 to me in dead tree format. I'd buy it for $1.99 on Kindle though. [:P]

Randy Lane

Seems like a no-brainer, but pricy:

Logos version list ptice is also $45, but the PrePub price is $40.45, a discount of only 10%.

It is not a "no brainer" when the hardback book is on preorder for less than $27, and the Logos copy is more than $40.

I have to strain my brain to decide if the advantage of having the book in Logos worth an additional $13 to me?

For me, it seems that the time of trying to get everything in Logos is over. I will have to use a "blended" library of Logos supplemented by other ebooks and paper books. In reality I have been edging in that direction for some time, but this one may push me over the edge.

That's exactly why I prefaced my statement with "seems". The combination of Moo, BECNT, Logos, and PrePub almost cause the cursor to navigate to the order button with any effort. In fact, I think that actually happened, but I had to forcefully retract it when I saw and gave thought to the price.

Evan Boardman

[:^)]

Well, it's under development . If people are willing to pay twice as much for a Logo's version, its gonna be the norm.

Rustamania

There are people willing to pay, but we don't know how many pass because of the price difference. I am wondering how much Logos is worth compared to other platforms?. It's typically a better format and better search capabilities, but I find it hard to pay more than a 20-30% premium for Logos. What do others think?

I am also banking on someone (or Amazon) creating a better interface and search capabilities for my kindle library. Seems like it has to come someday.

Eric Weiss

Seems like a no-brainer, but pricy:

http://www.logos.com/product/31904/baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament-galatians

Amazon lists Nov. 2013 as publication date, and discounts the volume from a list of $45 to just over $27.25, a decent 39%

Logos version list ptice is also $45, but the PrePub price is $40.45, a discount of only 10%.

I have all the other BECNT volumes, but can't see spending $40 on this now. I'll eat the $5 if I decide to buy it later. Besides, Moo is a complementarian, I believe, so I probably won't like his take on Galatians 3:28. [H] [:P]

Alain Maashe

For me, it seems that the time of trying to get everything in Logos is over. I will have to use a "blended" library of Logos supplemented by other ebooks and paper books. In reality I have been edging in that direction for some time, but this one may push me over the edge.

Same here!

I have to thank Logos and Baker. When the pre-pub discounts used to be very substantial, it was a no brainer for me as I automatically placed my orders. Now. I actually stop and ask myself if I need yet another commentary on that specific book: the answer is more often than not: NO

Logos' pricing strategy (which was inadvertently revealed a while back on some slides as seeking "high margins" through added value) is increasingly leading me to only buy the books I absolutely need or only buy books during major sales. It is better for my wallet and we will see if it works for Logos in the long term.

Things might only get worse as the competition dwindles . I just hope it was not a case of increase the market share, eliminate the completion, and then increase the prices.

Donovan R. Palmer

I have to thank Logos and Baker. When the pre-pub discounts used to be very substantial, it was a no brainer for me as I automatically placed my orders. Now. I actually stop and ask myself if I need yet another commentary on that specific book: the answer is more often than not: NO

This is an interesting thread. The thoughts in this thread coincide with what I have been thking.

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I am becoming more and more selective. Rather than snag a great deal at pre pub (which in some respects doesn't appear as great as it used to be), I am more inclined to wait until I have a glaring study need before me. Saving 100% is better for a book that I don't miss over saving 18% for a book that gets rarely, if ever read. Partly because I have built up my library, but partly due to price, I am finding fewer and fewer deals tugging on my wallet.

I think another poster talked about Kindle. I've actually bought more Kindle books than ever in the last six months. Often they are books that aren't carried by Logos or the price is hard to beat. If the price is hard to beat, I have to ask is the ROI worth paying the premium to have it in Logos? Sometimes, particularly with monographs, it isn't.

In my workflows for study, having it in Kindle is no different than looking for materials in different domains... the internet, Logos, another Bible program, Kindle, etc. It would be nice to have it in Logos, but if it isn't a core reference material, I'm increasingly open to having it in another digital format particularly if the cost is high.

Without doubt the digital market is still very much in its infancy. It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Rick

Logos' pricing strategy (which was inadvertently revealed a while back on some slides as seeking "high margins" through added value) is increasingly leading me to only buy the books I absolutely need or only buy books during major sales. It is better for my wallet and we will see if it works for Logos in the long term.

I have been thinking about this for a few hours. I'm wondering if we are starting to see the fruits of these high margins? I must admit that I have bought some resources in other programs simply because of the price but some are what I call Logos "must haves" and pay the higher price. I first noticed the lack of price breaks when I was told that sales representatives would no longer have negotiation privileges.

Back to the high margins/price disparity. I understand all of the tagging arguments and such, which are valid. I would like to submit a couple of other benefits of paying the "premium" price. Things that we, as users, might not readily see as a direct result of the pre-pub discounts not being what they used to be. Caveat: this is only my thinking. I have no insider knowledge of Logos or their pricing system.

We have recently seen an influx of denominational product managers, hopefully with more to come, which means more payroll expense to Logos. I, personally, think that this is a very big deal. With my denomination being rather small in comparison to others here in the United States, I would love to have someone representing my group at Logos headquarters.
I know that this one is a bit more opinionated and know that others may disagree but I think that Logos' programming and development has been kicked up a notch. Maybe I did not pay close enough attention during the Libronix days (I simply had some Thomas Nelson packages) but it seems to me that since Logos 4, and now Logos 5, the quality of the program is superior to the previous and are being updated more often with newer tools. I wasn't a fan of having to pay to get "Topic" search back, however, I appreciate how Logos has made my studying as a layperson much easier, more thorough and way more productive. I have grown immensely since I bought my first true base package with Logos 4. Yes, Libronix helped but not nearly as much as 4 and 5 have.

These are two things that I can conceive where my "paying more now than in the past" money is going. I am sure that Logos has a lot of plans to stay the best. As a consumer I often have to go with a cheaper route but when I can buy Logos resources I will because I know that the company is striving to make the user experience far superior than any other.

Hopefully when some of the growing pains are over with and the user base is even higher, Logos will be able to relax some and offer higher discounts once again.

Just my few cents worth.

DAL

Pricey but I'm willing to buy it after "pre-pub" just for the sake of completing this outstanding series. All the authors have done a great job so far. We still have 5 more to go. Judging from the pricing on these puppies, I'd say this set will be more expensive than NICNT after its completion. They might bundle it and perhaps lower the price a little bit so it won't surpass NICNT. I hope the "Pastorals" volume is next and soon, then Carson on Hebrews. The others I don't really care about the release order.

Forthcoming

?	Guthrie, George	II Corinthians
2013	Moo, Douglas J.	Galatians
?	Beale, Gregory K.	Colossians, Philemon
?	Weima, Jeffrey	Thessalonians
?	Porter, Stanley	Pastorals
?	Carson, D. A.	Hebrews

John Kight

Release date is today! Has anyone received the download yet?

John Kight

Its live now.

William Gabriel

I have all the other BECNT volumes, but can't see spending $40 on this now. I'll eat the $5 if I decide to buy it later. Besides, Moo is a complementarian, I believe, so I probably won't like his take on Galatians 3:28.

Hi Eric, I've been reviewing since it came out, and you may not be as upset as you think.

Here is Moo's final comment on that verse: "But this “adiaphorizing” of difference within the Christian community does not entail an erasure of difference (to use Gundry-Volf’s [1997: 456] language) and cannot be used arbitrarily to rule out any distinctions in roles that Paul may teach elsewhere (Schreiner 2010: 258–59)."

Thanks to Logos, it was easy to find the relevant paragraph in Schreiner:

Such a danger is especially present when it comes to males and females. The beautiful unity of men and women in Christ must not be missed. Women are equally members of the family of Abraham with men, and there are clearly social implications that can be drawn from their unity. The social implications, however, must also include what Paul wrote elsewhere. Paul affirms the oneness of males and females in Christ, but he does not claim that maleness and femaleness are irrelevant in every respect. If one were to draw such a conclusion, then Paul would not object to homosexuality, but it is clear that he thinks homosexuality is sinful (Rom 1:26–27; 1 Cor 6:9; 1 Tim 1:10). In the same way, the equality of men and women in Christ does not cancel out, in Paul’s mind, the distinct roles of men and women in marriage (Eph 5:22–33; Col 3:18–19; Titus 2:4–5) or in ministry contexts (1 Cor. 11:2–16; 14:33–36; 1 Tim 2:9–15).

Schreiner, T. R. (2010). Galatians (p. 259). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Paul-C

Anyone else still waiting to download their copy of this new release?

Paul-C

I'm still waiting for this resource to download. My order history shows it should've shipped on 02 Jan.

Is anyone else still waiting for their order to download?