Orthodox: History of the Holy Eastern Church (6 vols) on CP
Orthodox: History of the Holy Eastern Church (6 vols)
http://www.logos.com/product/31463/history-of-the-holy-eastern-church
Bidding closes at 12:00pm (PST) on Friday, 5/24/2013. Don’t miss out
Is at $20 and we might be able to push it down
TO: Gabe Martini: We just LOVE to tell someone else how to do their job!
If you do not yet have the staff to post these community pricing and pre pub items to the forum you're just going to have to do it yourself. [Or hope that you get lucky in that one of us notices]
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I'm already in at $20, but would always love to see something go lower [:)]David Ames said:Is at $20 and we might be able to push it down
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David Ames said:
Orthodox: History of the Holy Eastern Church (6 vols)
http://www.logos.com/product/31463/history-of-the-holy-eastern-churchBidding closes at 12:00pm (PST) on Friday, 5/24/2013. Don’t miss out
Is at $20 and we might be able to push it down
TO: Gabe Martini: We just LOVE to tell someone else how to do their job!
If you do not yet have the staff to post these community pricing and pre pub items to the forum you're just going to have to do it yourself. [Or hope that you get lucky in that one of us notices]I am my own staff, so I appreciate your help. [;)]
Yes, definitely get in on this one, as it'll go up significantly in price after tomorrow. We have a lot more collections like this one on their way (for CP) very, very soon. There will be some exciting new Scripture resources soon, as well (for the Orthodox market).
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Kevin Maples said:
I'm already in at $20, but would always love to see something go lowerDavid Ames said:Is at $20 and we might be able to push it down
I can mail you a penny, so it's $19.99!
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At one point I think that I noticed that the price was down to $18 but some must have dropped out because it went up to $20 again.
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It is $18 now.
Have joy in the Lord!
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David Ames said:
http://www.logos.com/product/31463/history-of-the-holy-eastern-church
Bidding closes at 12:00pm (PST) on Friday, 5/24/2013. Don’t miss out
Bump. Not many hours left.
David Ames said:TO: Gabe Martini: We just LOVE to tell someone else how to do their job!
If you do not yet have the staff to post these community pricing and pre pub items to the forum you're just going to have to do it yourself.Can you tell me one single other Logos employee who posts about closing CP's? As far as I know, that's always been our job. I'm pretty sure Gabe has better things to do with his time.
But congratulations to your first closing CP, Gabe![:D] That was fast.
Gabe Martini said:We have a lot more collections like this one on their way (for CP) very, very soon. There will be some exciting new Scripture resources soon, as well (for the Orthodox market).
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fgh said:
As far as I know, that's always been our job.
Yes, and often the poster that points out a resource give us the reason why they see it as a must buy.
[Try one] For this, and other up coming Orthodox resources, getting your information on what someone believes from the someone is better then getting it second hand.
[Try two] There is a hole in our libraries; the Orthodox. As stated on the CP page
"This collection of six volumes is a masterful and invaluable introduction to the history, theology, piety, and worship of the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Rev. John Mason Neale, himself sympathetic to the Oxford movement, does a wonderful job of not only introducing the Orthodox Church to the English-speaking world (at a time when it was little more than a mystery of the East), but also going deeper into the mystical theology, worship, and peculiarities of the Eastern Church as compared with the West."
Even includes a Hymn book and all at $18 for six volumes
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David Ames said:
[Try one] For this, and other up coming Orthodox resources, getting your information on what someone believes from the someone is better then getting it second hand.
You better save that exact argument for another time. From what I understand, Neale was Anglican...[;)]
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Sounds great! You can private message me for my mailing address.Gabe Martini said:I can mail you a penny, so it's $19.99!
“A Penny Saved is a Penny Earned” ― Benjamin Franklin (who probably read it somewhere)
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fgh said:
You better save that exact argument for another time. From what I understand, Neale was Anglican...
Most of the great non-German theologians were.
george
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Kevin Maples said:
Sounds great! You can private message me for my mailing address.Gabe Martini said:I can mail you a penny, so it's $19.99!
Sorry, since the collection is now at $18, you actually owe me $1.99. [A]
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Gabe Martini said:
Sorry, since the collection is now at $18, you actually owe me $1.99.
Me and all the other Logos addicts are the reason you have a job, so I believe you owe me! [:P]
Seriously, glad to have you working on this area. I'm becoming more interested in all areas of church history, so I am excited to see Eastern Orthodox works coming to Logos. Keep up the good work.
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I've been eating PB&J and leftovers at work for weeks due to all the recent Catholic pre-orders going through, and yet I still just had to jump in on this collection. I read the first part of the "Popular History/Liturgy/Vestments" volume online -- this is good stuff!
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fgh said:David Ames said:
[Try one] For this, and other up coming Orthodox resources, getting your information on what someone believes from the someone is better then getting it second hand.
You better save that exact argument for another time. From what I understand, Neale was Anglican...
"The Rev. John Mason Neale, himself sympathetic to the Oxford movement "
From Wikipedia:
The Oxford Movement was a movement of High Church Anglicans, eventually developing into Anglo-Catholicism. The movement, whose members were often associated with the University of Oxford, argued for the reinstatement of lost Christian traditions of faith and their inclusion into Anglican liturgy and theology. They conceived of the Anglican Church as one of three branches of the Catholic Church.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Movement]The branch theory is a theological hypothesis within Anglicanism, holding that the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Anglican Communion are the three principal branches of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Some Anglican theologians also include the Oriental Orthodox churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Old Catholic Church, and the Church of Sweden.
At least he was friendly. Most of what I have been told about some of these churches has been by their opponents. After reading some of the resources that you have recommended over the last few years I have seen where the opponents "misunderstood". As we do not [yet] have resources by the Orthodox a resource by a friend looks like a fair starting point [Re "misunderstood" - some might use stronger terms]
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David Ames said:
The Oxford Movement was a movement of High Church Anglicans, eventually developing into Anglo-Catholicism.
And working with my future daughter-in-law, I realized that there is a matching branch - Saxon-Catholic otherwise known as Lutherans. [:D] Should have known it all goes back to those Anglo-Saxons.[:P]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:David Ames said:
The Oxford Movement was a movement of High Church Anglicans, eventually developing into Anglo-Catholicism.
And working with my future daughter-in-law, I realized that there is a matching branch - Saxon-Catholic otherwise known as Lutherans.
Should have known it all goes back to those Anglo-Saxons.
And our new best friend, Gabe Martini, is in charge of two of the three listed. It will be interesting to watch how he balances Orthodox and Lutheran.
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David Ames said:
The branch theory is a theological hypothesis within Anglicanism, holding that the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Anglican Communion are the three principal branches of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
I must have missed that the Anglican version of the branch theory was that narrow.
David Ames said:Some Anglican theologians also include (...) the Church of Sweden.
They'd better! After all, we've been in official intercommunion with them since 1920 or -21. Possibly the first such agreement in modern history, or at least one of the first.
Besides, from what I understand without having studied it, our claims to apostolic succession are much stronger than theirs. Not to talk about the little fact that the Thirty-Nine Articles deny the Real Presence (and a whole bunch of other things). For me that's kind of a deal breaker...
David Ames said:we do not [yet] have resources by the Orthodox
Eastern Orthodox Theology, 2nd ed.: A Contemporary Reader. Plus a thousand years of Patristic writers. Plus On the Absence and Unknowability of God: Heidegger and the Areopagite and Brazos Theological Commentary on the Bible: Acts, but they're probably less helpful for your purpose.
MJ. Smith said:working with my future daughter-in-law, I realized that there is a matching branch - Saxon-Catholic otherwise known as Lutherans.
Should have known it all goes back to those Anglo-Saxons.Sorry, but being neither German nor Anglo-Saxon I found that more offensive than funny. I absolutely refuse to be called "Saxon".
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fgh said:
Ok, added the first one. Started new collection: Orthodox.
Edit: Thanks for the suggestion. After spending a couple of hours reading seems to be a good introduction.
Note: fgh is very good at suggesting resources. Can not afford to get everything suggested but lots of good recommendations.
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fgh said:David Ames said:
Some Anglican theologians also include (...) the Church of Sweden.
They'd better! After all, we've been in official intercommunion with them since 1920 or -21. Possibly the first such agreement in modern history, or at least one of the first.
Besides, from what I understand without having studied it, our claims to apostolic succession are much stronger than theirs. Not to talk about the little fact that the Thirty-Nine Articles deny the Real Presence (and a whole bunch of other things). For me that's kind of a deal breaker...
Actually, that is not true. What the 39 articles deny is not the real presence but the physical presence. This comes from the Reformed strain in Anglicanism where Christ is deemed to be truly present SPIRITUALLY by faith.
Article 28
The Supper of the Lord is not only a sign of the love that Christians ought to have among themselves one to another; but rather it is a Sacrament of our Redemption by Christ’s death: insomuch that to such as rightly, worthily, and with faith, receive the same, the Bread which we break is a partaking of the Body of Christ; and likewise the Cup of Blessing is a partaking of the Blood of Christ. Transubstantiation (or the change of the substance of Bread and Wine) in the Supper of the Lord, cannot be proved by Holy Writ; but is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture, oververthroweth the nature of a Sacrament, and hath given occasion to many superstitions. The Body of Christ is given, taken, and eaten, in the Supper, only after an heavenly and spiritual manner. And the mean whereby the Body of Christ is received and eaten in the Supper, is Faith. The Sacrament of the Lord’s Supper was not by Christ’s ordinance reserved, carried about, lifted up, or worshipped.
george
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You can keep up with the latest Orthodox resources as they are posted to Pre-Pub and CP here: http://www.logos.com/orthodox
Bookmark that page, as it will be transitioning to a more extensive "home page" for Orthodox works in the future. Also, sign-up for our email list for information on new collections, books, blog posts, special deals, and more.
I will have the same promotional outlets and methods for Lutheran and Reformed resources as well (e.g. www.logos.com/reformed is up, Lutheran coming soon).
Some recent Orthodox releases (to CP and Pre-Pub), other than the Neale collection:
- Scripture and Tradition: What the Bible Really Says by Edith Humphrey (she is an Antiochian Orthodox Christian)
- Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament by Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck (will also be carrying his forthcoming Catechism and Old Testament volumes)
- The Rudder (in both Greek and English) by St Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain
- Saint Michael the Archangel by Theodosius, Severus, and Eustathius (these are all non-Chalcedonian fathers, and we will be carrying works from the Coptic/Oriental perspective as well as the Greek/Roman Orthodox)
- The Universe as Communion by Alexei Nesteruk
I won't give away any secrets, but our selection of Orthodox works will quadruple in the next 3-4 weeks. A lot more to come throughout the rest of the year, of course, including a lot of exciting partnerships with major Orthodox publishers and organizations. Stay tuned! [:)]
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Brian Losabia said:
I've been eating PB&J and leftovers at work for weeks due to all the recent Catholic pre-orders going through
[Y] You lead the way! It's amazing what Logos is doing with the whole Catholic product line! Go Andrew and Gabe! [:D]
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David Ames said:
Ok, added the first one.
It must be very easy to be your sales rep.[:D]
David Ames said:Edit: Thanks for the suggestion. After spending a couple of hours reading seems to be a good introduction.
Note: fgh is very good at suggesting resources. Can not afford to get everything suggested but lots of good recommendations.
[:$] Now I'm blushing. I haven't even read that book yet, and I wasn't specifically 'recommending' it over something else. I only mentioned it because you said Logos didn't yet have any resources written by Orthodox themselves. So I just listed the few I could think of that filled the criterion. But I've looked at the TOC, and I've read other texts by several of the authors, so it should be good. (I must remember to be more careful in the future when I mention books to you![:D])
George Somsel said:Actually, that is not true. What the 39 articles deny is not the real presence but the physical presence.
You prove my point...
Gabe Martini said:I won't give away any secrets, but our selection of Orthodox works will quadruple in the next 3-4 weeks.
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Talking about secrets, do you know/can you tell us if Logos has hired/is searching for a Jewish Product Manager as well? I noticed they added a Jewish mailing list about the same time as your Orthodox one. No offense to Adventists, but it seems to me that that should be a higher priority. But it may, of course, be hard to find a qualified person who's willing both to move all the way to Bellingham and to work in such a Christian environment.
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fgh said:George Somsel said:
Actually, that is not true. What the 39 articles deny is not the real presence but the physical presence.
You prove my point...
Hardly. Christ is truly present to the believer by faith. That is every bit as much "real presence" as some magical conversion of the elements without any change in the accidents.
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It seems that we are getting off track. Forum Guidelines.
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Steve said:
It seems that we are getting off track. Forum Guidelines.
No. We would never do that ! [;)]
george
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FYI, the Patriarchal Greek New Testament is now on pre-pub: https://www.logos.com/product/32420/patriarchal-greek-new-testament
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I know very little about the Eastern church. I read the product description and at the bottom was written, "Looking for a translation of this text in English? The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament is also available." So does that mean that the Patriarchal Greek New Testament is the textual basis of the Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible translation?
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Kevin Maples said:
I know very little about the Eastern church. I read the product description and at the bottom was written, "Looking for a translation of this text in English? The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament is also available." So does that mean that the Patriarchal Greek New Testament is the textual basis of the Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible translation?
I suspect that it is some variation of the Byzantine Majority Text.
george
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That's what I was wondering. Do we have any Eastern Orthodox scholars who can shed some more light on this?George Somsel said:I suspect that it is some variation of the Byzantine Majority Text.
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Kevin Maples said:
I know very little about the Eastern church. I read the product description and at the bottom was written, "Looking for a translation of this text in English? The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament is also available." So does that mean that the Patriarchal Greek New Testament is the textual basis of the Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible translation?
Kevin,
That is correct. The EOB: NT is an English translation of the Patriarchal Greek New Testament.
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That's what I was wondering. Do we have any Eastern Orthodox scholars who can shed some more light on this?George Somsel said:I suspect that it is some variation of the Byzantine Majority Text.
I can hopefully answer most questions you might have. If I miss anything here, feel free to email me: gabe.martini@logos.com
Yes, the Patriarchal Greek New Testament is based upon a miniscule manuscript of the NT from Mount Athos, and it is in the Byzantine Text family (a lectionary).
For comparison's sake, the PATr differs from the Textus Receptus in nearly 2,000 readings.
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Thanks Gabe.Gabe Martini said:Kevin,
That is correct. The EOB: NT is an English translation of the Patriarchal Greek New Testament.
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Does the Logos edition of the PATr have an apparatus?Gabe Martini said:For comparison's sake, the PATr differs from the Textus Receptus in nearly 2,000 readings.
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Kevin Maples said:
Does the Logos edition of the PATr have an apparatus?Gabe Martini said:For comparison's sake, the PATr differs from the Textus Receptus in nearly 2,000 readings.
No, as that would be somewhat against the philosophy behind this edition from the Church's perspective. The Greek words will be morphologically tagged. We plan to do more with this Greek text in the future, FYI.
The EOB: NT, though in English, always makes note of variant readings across the Critical Text and Textus Receptus (with Greek references), as well as where the NT quotes the OT from either the LXX or the Masoretic Hebrew.
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Gabe Martini said:
The EOB: NT, though in English, always makes note of variant readings across the Critical Text and Textus Receptus (with Greek references), as well as where the NT quotes the OT from either the LXX or the Masoretic Hebrew.
Although those notes will not an apparatus be your reply did get one more order for the EOB.
http://www.logos.com/product/32406/eastern-greek-orthodox-bible-new-testament $19.95
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Gabe Martini said:
We plan to do more with this Greek text in the future, FYI.
Shall I read "more" as "an interlinear"?[:P]
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My sentiments precisely. I was thinking "Please, God, don't let them muck this up too."
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George, when are you going to understand that the important thing with the interlinears aren't the interlinear function itself -- which I never use, except to check out things from the forums -- but all the things in BWS, Search and other places that don't work unless you're working from a Bible with an interlinear?
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fgh said:
George, when are you going to understand that the important thing with the interlinears aren't the interlinear function itself -- which I never use, except to check out things from the forums -- but all the things in BWS, Search and other places that don't work unless you're working from a Bible with an interlinear?
Firstly, I never use an interlinear and never use BWS except when someone asks about it. Secondly, when I do use it, it works even though I'm not using an interlinear.
george
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What is BWS?George Somsel said:BWS
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fgh said:Gabe Martini said:
We plan to do more with this Greek text in the future, FYI.
Shall I read "more" as "an interlinear"?
Hmm, that would be interesting. Hmm.
Be on the lookout for more Orthodox titles today, BTW.
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