Daniel B. Wallace's Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics

I tried to look up Daniel B. Wallace's Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics on Logos and couldn't find it. Does anyone know if it is still available and if so could you post a link. I saw forum discussions about a revised edition several years away. Does anyone know the current status?

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Eric Weiss

I tried to look up Daniel B. Wallace's Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics on Logos and couldn't find it. Does anyone know if it is still available and if so could you post a link. I saw forum discussions about a revised edition several years away. Does anyone know the current status?

Maybe they took it down to fix the things that were lacking in it (can't remember exactly what those were; indexes or something?). As I noted last year on this forum, about a year ago I talked with Dr. Wallace at a regional ETS conference in Fort Worth, and he said it would (at that time) be at least 5 years before a revised edition would be coming out. He was sitting and talking with Verlyn Verbrugge, an editor at Zondervan, at the Zondervan book table, if I remember correctly.

Call Logos to inquire where the resource is.

Mitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494318#Comment_494318

Maybe they took it down to fix the things that were lacking in it

I hope so. The present formattin is quite clunky, with horizontal rules at page breaks, some missing outlines at the beginnings of chapters, and, as you say, the missing index volume (though Logos' reference search made up for that in my usage).

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494318#Comment_494318

Call Logos to inquire where the resource is.

I may do that. I just wanted to see if I could find out through the forum first, instead of taking up someone's time at Logos.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494318#Comment_494318

I suspect Zondervan is holding it back for the same reason that none of their other grammar textbooks (including Mounce's Greek textbooks and Van Pelt's Hebrew/Aramaic ones) are available in Logos ---a reason they have chosen not to share with us.

This looks like a strategic licensing decision more than a technical or editorial one to me (especially since Accordance has them all).

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494330#Comment_494330

This looks like a strategic licensing decision more than a technical or editorial one to me

This is somewhat of a concern for me. I have as much faith in Logos as anyone could reasonably have in a company. From their history, I believe it is safe to invest in resources knowing that they will stay up to date as technology changes. However, I know recently we lost the opportunity to buy Moody products apparently because of licensing decisions. Several of which were on my wish list. If we have now lost Wallace's Greek Grammar, it makes me wonder if publishers are trying to keep their products from Logos to give Logos competitor's an advantage. I don't know who owns what company, and I know that competition is good in general, but if publishers sell through one platform and not another, it is not going to be good for anyone in the Bible software industry. IMO

Have any of you long time Logos users seen products become unavailable and then be offered again later after licensing issues were worked out?

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494336#Comment_494336

Have any of you long time Logos users seen products become unavailable and then be offered again later after licensing issues were worked out?

OUP and Liturgical Press have both reappeared this year, after having been gone several years, and the ACCS showed up again just a couple of weeks ago.

Anon

I tried to look up Daniel B. Wallace's Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics on Logos and couldn't find it. Does anyone know if it is still available and if so could you post a link. I saw forum discussions about a revised edition several years away. Does anyone know the current status?

Well I tried searching for this resource under "Grammars" and "Dan Wallace"on the products page, no luck... then the blog to an article mentioning "Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics" following that link to this (see below).

Interesting, looks like it is no more.

Mitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494349#Comment_494349

I'm suddenly very, very glad I decided to buy this about a month before taking a class in which it's required.

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494345#Comment_494345

OUP and Liturgical Press have both reappeared this year, after having been gone several years, and the ACCS showed up again just a couple of weeks ago.

That is interesting. Do you know if the prices different than before?

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494330#Comment_494330

I suspect Zondervan is holding it back for the same reason that none of their other grammar textbooks (including Mounce's Greek textbooks and Van Pelt's Hebrew/Aramaic ones) are available in Logos ---a reason they have chosen not to share with us.

This looks like a strategic licensing decision more than a technical or editorial one to me

I don't think so. It was available for years and (according to archive.org) went missing after March 13th 2013.

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494358#Comment_494358

I'm suddenly very, very glad I decided to buy this about a month before taking a class in which it's required.

I wish I had. I have it in hardback, but Logos has made me too lazy to walk over to the book shelf and check the page referenced. Hovering over a link is sooo much easier.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494361#Comment_494361

I suspect Zondervan is holding it back for the same reason that none of their other grammar textbooks (including Mounce's Greek textbooks and Van Pelt's Hebrew/Aramaic ones) are available in Logos ---a reason they have chosen not to share with us.

This looks like a strategic licensing decision more than a technical or editorial one to me

I don't think so. It was available for years and (according to archive.org) went missing after March 13th 2013.

Yes, I have it. I think it's quite possible the terms of the old licensing agreement ended. The original Logos edition of GGBTB was built and published by Galaxie Software through some special arrangement, even though Zondervan was publishing the paper version and was still refusing to deal with Logos. I am not privy to the details, but others have mentioned in the past that it was a special set of circumstances that allowed Galaxie (and thus Logos) to get it.

Mathew Voth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494369#Comment_494369

I was told directly from Zondervan employees that their language line up will be coming to Logos this year. I would assume that this volume will be re-released as part of a larger package. Can't wait!

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494360#Comment_494360

Do you know if the prices different than before?

ACCS: exactly the same.
OUP: so far only a couple of titles that I don't think were ever in Logos back then (if they were even published yet).
Liturgical Press: one title was in Logos once upon a time, but is now in prepub together with vol 2, so even if I'd known, it's not comparable.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494371#Comment_494371

I was told directly from Zondervan employees that their language line up will be coming to Logos this year. I would assume that this volume will be re-released as part of a larger package. Can't wait!

[Y]

Kevin Maples

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494371#Comment_494371

I was told directly from Zondervan employees that their language line up will be coming to Logos this year. I would assume that this volume will be re-released as part of a larger package. Can't wait!

[Y][Y]

Lewis Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494374#Comment_494374

[Y][Y]

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494376#Comment_494376

But I don't want to have to buy a $200 Zondervan language collection (or $300 if it includes Hebrew) just to get Wallace.

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494377#Comment_494377

I'm not sure if it's always possible, but it would be great if Logos could give users a notice that certain resources will not be available after a certain date. I bet this would increase sales of those resources.

This was done with those from Moody and I picked up a several that were on my wishlist before they disappeared.

David Fish

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/494389#Comment_494389

It's already being marketed as part of a HUGE collected of Zondervan titles (on Pre-Pub) of both Greek and Hebrew resources. I didn't order it when it was discounted a bit, but I am keeping my eye on it.

http://goo.gl/ahMLB

David McClister

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/507356#Comment_507356

There is another wrinkle to all of this. If you buy the now-available edition of Wallace's grammar in Logos, the links from other resources to Wallace's book do not work. That is, if a resource cites "Wallace (1996, pp xx), then if you click on the page numbers it bring you to a screen that says you do not have that resource (even though you own the newer edition). The links only go to the older edition of Wallace's book. Maybe Logos will fix this?

Daniel Yoder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/537450#Comment_537450

There is another wrinkle to all of this. If you buy the now-available edition of Wallace's grammar in Logos, the links from other resources to Wallace's book do not work. That is, if a resource cites "Wallace (1996, pp xx), then if you click on the page numbers it bring you to a screen that says you do not have that resource (even though you own the newer edition). The links only go to the older edition of Wallace's book. Maybe Logos will fix this?

I bought Wallace but have not yet realized that the links do not work. I do hope that Logos will eventually fix this.

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/537450#Comment_537450

The links only go to the older edition of Wallace's book.

David, you should post this to the L5 forum as a BUG.

(I seem to recall similar problems with other resources, and that Logos was working on them, but I don't recall if this resource was one of those mentioned.)

Jim Wait

Just ordered a copy today:

Today

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Greek Grammar beyond the Basics

$35.99