Logos Marketing Strikes Again…..
I got this in my in box as part of a Listing of June deals.
The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture is back!Been waiting to see the ACCS available from Logos again? The wait is over. The revised, updated 29-volume Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture is available now, and Logos is the only place you can get the digital edition! |
The trouble is the last half of that second sentence seems to be a complete falsehood. Logos may have convinced IVP to withdraw their Logos CD version of it and if so that would make it a half truth. Accordance still offers the set for the same price as Logos. Another way in which this may be true is this version has been updated. The CD version is un updated but I have seen very little difference. Normally I am not going to mention the availability of competitors identical products but in this case Logos has stated a at least partial falsehood.
-Dan
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Dan,
in all fairness, it seems that Logos really is the only place to offer the updated version. The amount of updated and revised material seems to be enough for IVP - since Logos wouldn't and couldn't do this on their own - to call it such. In another thread there was a discussion that the updated text amounts to a one-digit percentage (which still may be a lot in this large resource) and there are additional indices.
So this is not a "complete falsehood" - au contraire, Logos even granted new resource names and owners of the pre-update version now have two files for each resource.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Dan,
I usually agree with you, and certainly support and admire your heroic efforts to bring the NIB to Logos.
But I think it is a stretch to call this "a complete falsehood" or "even a partial falsehood". Since the updated files are not on the cd, Logos is indeed the only source for the new digital edition with updated files. I wouldn't call that falsehood.
(There was only one thing that every really bothered me about Logos marketing, and that was when they listed a "regular price" that doesn't exist anywhere, and use that for the basis of some big advertised discount. The actual discount was much smaller based on the normal Logos "sale price", which was the only price that is real. Often Logos was the only one selling the resource, and how can their price not be the "regular price"? To me that was deceptive advertising. But I have noticed that Logos doesn't do that as much anymore. I think there have been enough complaining on the forums to cause a more clear and straight forward advertising approach. I commend them for that change.)
On the ACCS, I thank Logos for giving me the new updated resources free, while allowing me to keep the older versions. I understand some content was changed, some was deleted, and some was added. Therefore, I am delighted to have both versions at no additional cost. Seems to me Logos has been more than fair on this one.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
Dan Francis said:
The CD version is un updated but I have seen very little difference.
Revised versions of many books have little difference but there are changes beyond edit corrections which is, in this case, sufficient for the publisher to call it a revision ... hence Logos calls it a revision. Seems reasonable to me.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I stand rebuked, calling it a lie or a falsehood is harsh of me.Doing emails when extra sore makes me cranky I guess. I apologize to the people at logos who came up with it, I do feel it sort of places logos as an exclusive spot that I feel it does not have. But I admit I WAS FAR TO HARSH in my language and reaction.
MEA CULPA
-Dan
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Michael Childs said:
On the ACCS, I thank Logos for giving me the new updated resources free, while allowing me to keep the older versions. I understand some content was changed, some was deleted, and some was added. Therefore, I am delighted to have both versions at no additional cost. Seems to me Logos has been more than fair on this one.
I too am glad that we were offered the updated revision free of charge. And I think Logos and IVP for making it free to us current owners...
-Dan
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Michael Childs said:
On the ACCS, I thank Logos for giving me the new updated resources free, while allowing me to keep the older versions.
Thank you for that information. Had not realized that I had two versions.
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Quite frankly I think the fact checking of this forum thread is tantamount to the quality of Logos product.
Let's do some fact checking:
1. Logos sends out an email on June 17, 2013, arriving in my inbox at 4:55AM.
1.1. In said Logos email, the following is claimed about Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture:
"Been waiting to see the ACCS available from Logos again? The wait is over. The revised, updated 29-volume Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture is available now, and Logos is the only place you can get the digital edition!"
1.2 Dan Francis reports above that the following clause is a lie: "Logos is the only place you can get the digital edition."
1.2.1 No evidence is given by Dan to support his claim.
1.2.2 Thus, the above quoted comment is a moot point.
2.0 I move to reopen Dan's claim, and I too say unequivocally that Logos makes an error in making such a claim.
3.0 Evidence to support that the claim of Logos is false. (I cannot say it was a lie, but I have sufficient evidence to say it's false)
3.1 Evidence 1: Email arrives in my inbox on May 20th, 2013 from Accordance Bible Software advertising the release of Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture.
3.1.1 The advertisement reads:
"The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture Updated Edition is now available for download via Easy Install without a disc. This unique resource compiles commentary on Scripture from early Christian leaders and Church Fathers such as St. Augustine and John Chrysostom. If you want to gain an understanding of how the early Christians interpreted and understood Scripture, this resource will provide helpful insight."
3.1.1.1 The language clearly calls this an update.
3.1.1.2 The graphic above the image in the email clearly says 2.0 (more evidence of an update).
3.1.2 To update something means you currently have a previous edition. Since Accordance Bible Software is a digital supplier of biblical software, it's conclusive that the edition under discussion is in fact a digital one.
CONCLUSION:
There is sufficient evidence to deem Logos' advertisement false. I've come to expect this sort of sloppiness from the company. Whether it was a lie cannot be established here. Nevertheless, the evidence stands: It is not the only digital edition.
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