Based on the Logos counts on products home page
Thanks, MJ., this is very interesting!
Anglican, Anglican/Episcopalian, Episcopalian, Catholic, Pentecostal, and Presbyterian have grown and now have sizable shares.
Reformed has kept it's share.
Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Lutheran and Puritan have shrunk considerably.
Methodist and Orthodox have grown but are still small.
Other than that no change in the shares of groups and/or too small share to see in the chart.
It's generally beginning to look a bit diversified. But it will also make some less satisfied. And which groups have a good quality/affordability ratio and how that relates to the demand is hard to tell.
I wonder which group the now withdrawn Moody products were and whether that made any noticeable difference?
Logos is attempting to label more products, but I think that will take some time to do and I don't know how much they are going to go through the library and re-label "old" products or whether that will only be based on customers reporting errors. Labelling new resources seems like the easiest part.
Some of the change is probably new categories, I think Episcopalian wasn't there at first, right? Or how would You explain the substantial change?
What a fascinating comparison chart MJ. Wow, I had no idea that Plymouth Brethren resources were so dominate in the past and even today carry such a huge percentage. Is someone able to say why this is the case?
I should mention that this is my theological upbringing although I currently go to a Baptist church. I still greatly appreciate my heritage but I also have grown to appreciate a broad spectrum of theological positions. Ironically it is my background in the Open Brethren that helped me to keep an open mind and heart.
They have a small share that has grown a little between Pentecostal and Presbyterian at the left:
I had no idea that Plymouth Brethren resources were so dominate in the past and even today carry such a huge percentage. Is someone able to say why this is the case?
It's btw hard to tell which one is bigger: Anabaptist or Seventh-Day Adventist, both have the same colour and are next to each other at the top.
They have a small share that has grown a little between Pentecostal and Presbyterian at the left:I had no idea that Plymouth Brethren resources were so dominate in the past and even today carry such a huge percentage. Is someone able to say why this is the case?
The color code is hard to see because it is so small even when it is blown up but it looks to me like the Plymouth Brethren was and is the largest category. Am I not reading this right?
Yeah, I know, some groups have the same colour. The largest group You are seeing is the Evangelical at the bottom:
Yeah, I know, some groups have the same colour. The largest group You are seeing is the Evangelical at the bottom:The color code is hard to see because it is so small even when it is blown up but it looks to me like the Plymouth Brethren was and is the largest category. Am I not reading this right?
You may be right but I looked at it again and that is not how it looks to me.
The groups are organized alphabetically clockwise in the chart, starting at the top.
Being my faith tradition too, I would be interested to see what resources are counted as Plymouth Brethren.
What you are saying makes sense to me now even though the colors don't seem to match. I didn't even consider that it was in alphabetical order but was rather just trying to match the color. In this case Plymouth Brethren resources would be very small which also makes more sense to me.
These are the ones Logos considers Plymouth Brethren resources:
http://www.logos.com/products/search?Christian+Group=Plymouth+Brethren
Ah. Thank you.
Interesting! Any chance you could put the data into a bar graph format? I'd like to look at the smaller slices but it's tough to read a pie chart with that many values.
Thanks, MJ. Any chance for absolute numbers rather than percentages?
M.J. is this data publicly available? How did you get it?
In the left column of the product page is a heading marked "Christian Group". That's where the data comes from. MJ will have compared it with an archive of that page (like this). I'm not sure exactly what date she picked, but on the basis of the one I selected, it says in the last two years evangelical resources have risen from 1660 to 1766 (+106), whereas Catholic resources have gone from 75 to 476 (+401).
M.J. is this data publicly available? How did you get it? In the left column of the product page is a heading marked "Christian Group". That's where the data comes from. MJ will have compared it with an archive of that page (like this). I'm not sure exactly what date she picked, but on the basis of the one I selected, it says in the last two years evangelical resources have risen from 1660 to 1766 (+106), whereas Catholic resources have gone from 75 to 476 (+401).
Thanks Mark. That is helpful. I had not noticed that there before.
M.J. - Thank you. I am continually impressed with the depth of your knowledge and quality posts. You are an asset and a blessing to Logos users!
This is really cool information.
Jerry
Very interesting observation, Unix. Now you have me wondering! [:)]
I suppose most Moody products would be under "evangelical" but someone else might have a different view.
The largest group of resources is not represented in the graph. Secular works like William James and much of the Perseus catalogue do not lend themselves to denominational tagging.
To quote Jerry: "Thank you. I am continually impressed with the depth of your knowledge and quality posts. You are an asset and a blessing to Logos users!"
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The Anglican and Episcopalian growth is mostly fake. The books were there two years ago as well, but until Ben started working this spring, the Anglican tagging was so nearly non-existant that not even the BCP (or NT Wright) was tagged as Anglican. Plus nearly every Anglican book gets tagged as both Anglican, Episcopalian and Anglican/Episcopalian, so the market share now gets blown out of proportion instead.
I would imagine the Pentecostal and Presbyterian growth is also partly or mainly due to improved tagging. I would also imagine there's a huge overlap between Presbyterian, Reformed and Evangelical, and between Pentecostal and other groups.
The Catholic share is another matter: a) July 2011 Andrew should have already finished his initial retagging of existing resources, b) there probably isn't much overlap with other groups, and c) one needs to remember that most books are first published in collections. Loads of Evangelical collections that counted as one resource each in 2011 will now have been broken up and count as 15 or 27, while most Catholic collections haven't been broken up yet. So I would imagine the Catholic growth and share is underestimated rather than overestimated.
Though on the other hand a disproportionate share of the Catholic resources are still on CP or prepub, and not actually available (unless MJ filtered by 'Live'). And the Catholics get to claim all the Patristic and Medieval writers.[:D]
Plus there must still be loads of resources with a denominational bent that haven't been tagged at all yet, and most of them will be some flavour of Evangelical.
Only in relative terms. I would assume they still have more books in Logos now than they had then.
MJ will have compared it with an archive of that page (like this). I'm not sure exactly what date she picked
She's published charts like these before. She probably reused one of her old ones.
MJ, Reformed, Seventh-day Adventist, and Anabaptist are next to each other, and they all have the exact same colour...
Seventh-day Adventist Have two published products. And five in Pre-Pub.
So two years from now they will have had a fantastic growth - percentage wise [:)]
But they also have a LONG wish list. As do the other 'new' groups.
I have not been able to discern why Logos has Anglican. Episcopal and Anglican/Episcopal. It keeps the next two groups in Logos coding from showing,
I have not kept intermediate dates; my base date is arbitrary. The data is strictly as Logos provides it - thus I don't have to justify it. Most of the observations above are correct so one shouldn't read too much into the detail. Logos' bias shows in that Judaism is not listed despite JPS having 63 products. (Yes, I know they label it "Christian Groups".)
Mighty interesting. It does seem that Logos strives to offer Biblical resources which represent a wide variety of traditions.
Of course, I am more concerned with the quality of the resource than its tradition of origin.
I always say, "It doesn't matter what label is on an empty bottle."
You missed a couple of Adventist Resources [:)]
Andrews Study Bible http://www.logos.com/product/9500/andrews-study-bible
Read Greek in 30 days of less http://www.logos.com/product/20260/read-greek-in-30-days-or-less-new-testament-old-testament-apocrypha-philo-church-fathers
Adventist Bible Commentary http://www.logos.com/product/20260/read-greek-in-30-days-or-less-new-testament-old-testament-apocrypha-philo-church-fathers
Adventist Bible Commentary Expanded Edition http://www.logos.com/product/9202/seventh-day-adventist-bible-commentary-expanded-edition
The Prophecies of Daniel and Revelation http://www.logos.com/product/28461/the-prophecies-of-daniel-and-the-revelation
Old Testament Theology: Basic Issues in the Current Debate http://www.logos.com/product/4896/old-testament-theology-basic-issues-in-the-current-debate
Exploring the Heavenly Sanctuary http://www.logos.com/product/10032/exploring-the-heavenly-sanctuary-understanding-seventh-day-adventist-theology
Also Flame of Yahweh by Richard M. Davidson (its part of a bundle).
Interesting point. There should probably be another category titled "Secular Works" or something like that.
