NLT Study Bible Cross References

I do not seem to have any cross references from the NLT study bible in my NLT text. I have the cross references that are listed in the notes, but in the hard copy NLT study bible there are additional cross references and links to word studies in the text of the bible itself. (actually in the hard copy they are beside the text)

I also have the ESV study bible and it does have the cross references listed in the text of the ESV (usually by a small letter in the text that can be highlighted)

Were the NLT study bible inline cross references and links to key word not included in the Logos version or is this just an issue I am having with my machine.

Thanks

Alan

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Don Awalt

Do you have Bible Text Only checked? If so, turn it off - see picture. You can see circled the cross references...

Alan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504601#Comment_504601

Hi Don,

Thanks for the replay. I did check to make sure I don't have bible text only check and I do not.

In the screenshot, it looks like you have the ESV displayed. The circled cross references are the types of things I am missing in the NLT from the NLT study bible.

Alan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504606#Comment_504606

I have also noticed that in my NLT the "show footnotes on page" option has no effect like it does in other bibles. I'm not sure if that means anything or not.

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504610#Comment_504610

In my NLT I see asterisks with footnotes, do you see those? For example, at the end of 2 Peter 1:20 there is an asterisk that upon hover says "or is a matter of one's own interpretation ".

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504610#Comment_504610

I have also noticed that in my NLT the "show footnotes on page" option has no effect like it does in other bibles. I'm not sure if that means anything or not.

Do you have columns set to "none" or "one"? Footnotes don't appear in "none," since there is no bottom margin. [;)]

Alan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504612#Comment_504612

I do see the asterisks that I assume are the NLT translators notes. Those are the only ones I do see. Nothing related to the NLT study bible notes. (both the ESV and the NET bible study notes do seem to show up OK in their respective versions)

The columns at the moment are set to auto, so I don't think that is an issue.

I will see if I can figure out how to get a screenshot.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504618#Comment_504618

Alan - I should also explain that the NLT and the NLT Study Bible are two completely seperate resources. You will need to have both open in their own pane or tab. Does that answer your question at all? Sorry I don't have the NLT SB to help troubleshoot.

Alan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504618#Comment_504618

Here is what my NLT looks like with the NLT study bible open on the left and the NLT on the right. The only links inline are the asterisks related to the translator notes. The ESV looks likes Don's post above.

Travis Walter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504621#Comment_504621

Just noted this.. Yeah the NLT is missing the notes.. The NASB95 has them, but the Amplified does not etc. Seems to be translation dependent.

And a side note, NLT is my favorite translation by far.. Glad someone else uses it also

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504621#Comment_504621

Here is what my NLT looks like with the NLT study bible open on the left and the NLT on the right. The only links inline are the asterisks related to the translator notes. The ESV looks likes Don's post above.

I'm not sure what the problem is… the ESV text itself is note heavy. The NLT text itself is note light. Those are both characteristics of each translation. The Study Bible notes are a separate resource, and you have it open in your screen shot. Am I missing your question?

Alan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504730#Comment_504730

The issue I am looking at is that the NLT study bible has a number of cross references and word studies on every page that are not listed in study notes section of the NLT study bible but that are incorporated into the text of the NLT itself. It seems that the logos edition did not include these. They are there in the kindle version and the print version for example. They look very similar to what the screen shot of the ESV above looks like. I am trying to figure out for sure if they were just never included or if I am just not seeing them on my PC. It seems to be that they weren't included, which is OK, but I just want to be sure I am not missing something

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504734#Comment_504734

It seems to be that they weren't included, which is OK, but I just want to be sure I am not missing something

I don't have any copy of the NLT SB to check, but the ESV & NLT texts both represent the base text of those translations. If there are additional cross references in the print version of the NLT SB, Logos would have needed to create a separate version of the NLT. Now that I think about it, I believe the print version of the ESV SB also has additional cross references, which are not included as well. If I remember, I'll look it up later.

Dale Hoskins

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/504738#Comment_504738

The New Living Translation has developed an excellent set of cross-references. Unfortunately, they are not part of any Logos resource (not the NLT nor the NLT Study Bible) You can read about their cross-reference system on page 14 of the link below. The subsequent pages show it in their Bible.

http://files.tyndale.com/thpdata/FirstChapters/978-1-4143-2704-4.pdf

See page A37 of the Print edition of the NLT study Bible. It provides more information about their cross-references. A37 is in the section titled "Introduction to the New Living Translation" (a section that doesn't appear in the Logos edition). The editors write:

There are a number of different cross-referencing tools that appear in New Living Translation Bibles, and they offer different levels of help in this regard. All straight-text Bibles include the standard set of textual footnotes that include cross-references connecting New Testament texts to their related Old Testament sources.

Many NLT Bibles include an additional short cross-reference system that sets key cross-references at the end of paragraphs and then marks the associated verses with a cross-symbol. This space-efficient system, while not being obtrusive, offers many important key connections between passages. Larger study editions include a full-column cross-reference system. This system allows space for a more comprehensive listing of cross-references.

The NLT center column cross-reference Bible and the NLT study Bible both contain their complete set of cross-references. The Logos edition only includes the most basic of the three sets.

ESV, NRSV, HCSB, NIV.

According to the ESV Introduction, their system is based on the RV Bible of 1898.

The NRSV cross-reference Bible is also based on the 1898 RV but they have made many corrections and improvements. These cross-references are not included in the Logos NRSV resource. It was published by Oxford University Press in 2003. The Tomes article mentioned at the bottom of this post explains some of their changes.

The HCSB have a very good system. The NIV Study Bible has probably the most cross-references of any. (The Logos edition of the NIV contains all the cross-references found in the NIV Study Bible.)

See the `Scripture its Own Commentator': a History of English Cross-Reference Bibles, by Roger Tomes. Published in the The Expository Times. 2008 119: 487. You can find it at http://ext.sagepub.com/content/119/10/487.
The history of English cross-reference Bibles is traced from its beginnings with Tyndale and Coverdale, through successive editions of the King James Bible, to the compilation published with the Revised Version in 1898, on which the recent NRSV cross-reference edition is based. Some independent (and idiosyncratic) compilers are looked at on the way, and some hesitations about the value of cross-references are discussed.

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/547449#Comment_547449

Dale! *smile* Peace to you, and Thank You for your post! Indeed!