Am I missing something in search?

I am hoping there is a better way to do this, but I don't think so - but just in case --

Like many users, I have a lot of content in Notes. (I wonder if Logos can see for server usage how much data is in user Notes, I bet it's terabytes upon terabytes!). I find myself increasingly wondering where I put a comment, as it is relevant to something I am researching today - "Where did I put that comment 'seeing beyond the demands of the flesh'"?

Problem #1 - If I do a search of Entire Library, the particular Note comes up - but if a Note is long, I have to read the whole thing to find the relevant place. Many of my notes have text I have copied and pasted in from other sources as they apply to my work.

Problem #2 is, within a Note there are many notes (that's how Logos defines it - Documents/Notes, then within that Note 'Add a note' - so I could have something I am searching for, be in a given Note many times, but clicking on that Note result in the search brings up the Note with no indication how many times it is in there, and without any highlighting. How do I know or find the 6 occurrences of the phrase or word I am looking for?

It's really impractical to rely on this level of search capability with Notes. It seems to only be good for notating next to Bible verses where a relevant note is; any other informational use of Notes is impractical or worse.

So, I am really starting to wonder if I am making a mistake using Notes for well, notes. Am I missing anything? Is there any hope that Logos will give us a search capability for Notes that is useful? Should I move all my Notes to say OneNote in a Dropbox folder?

Thank you for reading and considering.

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DMB

Agree with your points. But CEO Bob was pretty up-front on what he considered the Notes functionality to be (your para #5). But judging from the updates that have occurred since his comments, I'd assume he's alterred his thoughts somewhat.

Since I operate on 3 Bible software platforms daily, I don't keep notes in either Logos5, Libronix, or my other commercial Bible software. Instead I bring them in using Personal Books which allow me searches, linking, and so forth. The only downside presently is that PB's don't move to the mobile versions of Logos (which I don't use anyway).

George Somsel

I am hoping there is a better way to do this, but I don't think so - but just in case --

Like many users, I have a lot of content in Notes. (I wonder if Logos can see for server usage how much data is in user Notes, I bet it's terabytes upon terabytes!). I find myself increasingly wondering where I put a comment, as it is relevant to something I am researching today - "Where did I put that comment 'seeing beyond the demands of the flesh'"?

Problem #1 - If I do a search of Entire Library, the particular Note comes up - but if a Note is long, I have to read the whole thing to find the relevant place. Many of my notes have text I have copied and pasted in from other sources as they apply to my work.

Problem #2 is, within a Note there are many notes (that's how Logos defines it - Documents/Notes, then within that Note 'Add a note' - so I could have something I am searching for, be in a given Note many times, but clicking on that Note result in the search brings up the Note with no indication how many times it is in there, and without any highlighting. How do I know or find the 6 occurrences of the phrase or word I am looking for?

It's really impractical to rely on this level of search capability with Notes. It seems to only be good for notating next to Bible verses where a relevant note is; any other informational use of Notes is impractical or worse.

So, I am really starting to wonder if I am making a mistake using Notes for well, notes. Am I missing anything? Is there any hope that Logos will give us a search capability for Notes that is useful? Should I move all my Notes to say OneNote in a Dropbox folder?

Thank you for reading and considering.

It's pretty simple to find something in your notes. All you need to do is to run a basic search on "My Content"—on second thought, you'd better do it on your content. E.g., if I run a basic search on "My Content" (not yours) for "trinity", I get a bunch of hits (many of them on old notes from others carried over from L3 and PBs as well as some notes I have taken on Revelation. I can then open the note file and run a <ctrl-F> search on it. Admittedly the search itself doesn't detail the location in each note file of the hits, but it isn't hard to locate using <ctrl-F>.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

So, I am really starting to wonder if I am making a mistake using Notes for well, notes. Am I missing anything? Is there any hope that Logos will give us a search capability for Notes that is useful? Should I move all my Notes to say OneNote in a Dropbox folder?

One thought is converting Notes into Personal Books.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/505724#Comment_505724

It's pretty simple to find something in your notes. All you need to do is to run a basic search on "My Content"—on second thought, you'd better do it on your content. E.g., if I run a basic search on "My Content" (not yours) for "trinity", I get a bunch of hits (many of them on old notes from others carried over from L3 and PBs as well as some notes I have taken on Revelation. I can then open the note file and run a <ctrl-F> search on it. Admittedly the search itself doesn't detail the location in each note file of the hits, but it isn't hard to locate using <ctrl-F>.

Thanks George, this isn't a bad way to do it, but it does not handle scripture searches within the Notes like normal searches do. If I want to find any occurrences of Exodus 1:1-25 I can't do that; I can search for "Ex 1" or "Exodus 1" and do a half-decent search.

That all said, this is a very poor excuse for a product that first and foremost, with every resource sale, advertises "perform powerful searches". Well not in this part.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506116#Comment_506116

Thanks George, this isn't a bad way to do it, but it does not handle scripture searches within the Notes like normal searches do. If I want to find any occurrences of Exodus 1:1-25 I can't do that; I can search for "Ex 1" or "Exodus 1" and do a half-decent search.

True, it won't find a Genesis passage if you call it "Beginnings" or an Exodus passage if you call it "Going out." There must be a standard by which searches can be conducted. It isn't "Find what I'm thinking of."

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506126#Comment_506126

True, it won't find a Genesis passage if you call it "Beginnings" or an Exodus passage if you call it "Going out." There must be a standard by which searches can be conducted. It isn't "Find what I'm thinking of."

I am not sure what you mean, I am just trying to find the equivalent of doing a <Ex 2:1-15> search in my Notes. That's not a "find what I am thinking of" is it?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506133#Comment_506133

<Ex 2:1-15> should work on your notes. Possible problems:

punctuation immediately after the citation so a link is not made (space to make link then add punctuation)
nonstandard Bible book abbreviation (you can tell because the link was not made)
expecting the wrong results i.e. confusing =<Ex2:1-15> with ~<Ex 2:1-15>

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506139#Comment_506139

should work on your notes

Unless I am doing something wrong, it does not work. In the first screen here, you will see a search for Proverbs does not find a match in the "David Jeremiah" notes, yet you can see the Proverbs verse shows in the popup when I hover over it, proving the link is correct:

In this screen shot, Ctrl-F search from within the David Jeremiah note also does not find any matches:

Yet from either place, if I just search for 'Joy', it finds it (you can see that in the first screen, inside the David Jeremiah note)

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506155#Comment_506155

I have to dash off but ... I think the Find box in the resource has very limited capabilities. I think you need to use a search.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506155#Comment_506155

You seem to be searching for the entire passage Proverbs 28:1-15, but computers are very stupid machines and only find precisely what you ask for. If you were to search for "Proverbs 28" without specifying a verse or verses, you might find it. This would mean that you might also find "Proverbs 28:16", but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506161#Comment_506161

<Proverbs 28:1-15> is exact

~<Proverbs 28:1-15> is anything included or overlapping

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506162#Comment_506162

<Proverbs 28:1-15> is exact

~<Proverbs 28:1-15> is anything included or overlapping

A <ctrl-F> search seems to only find an exact match.

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506162#Comment_506162

<Proverbs 28:1-15> is exact

~<Proverbs 28:1-15> is anything included or overlapping

This is not correct according to the wiki page at http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help

It says:

You can leave off the operator, and the tilde operator is assumed: <Gen 12:1-20> is the same as <~ Gen 12:1-20>
You can leave off the “bible” datatype label in reference search patterns, because it is assumed by default: <= Gen 12:1-20> is equivalent to <bible = Gen 12:1-20>, and <~ Gen 12:1-20> is equivalent to <bible ~ Gen 12:1-20>, etc

Therefore <Proverbs 28:1-15> is the same as <bible ~ Proverbs 28:1-15>.

So if we check in the chart right above those two bullets::

Operator	Description	Example search	John 3:16	John 3:16-17	John 3:17-20	John 3:10-20	John 3:16-4:10

~	An intersection with the search value that doesn’t cross chapter boundaries	<bible ~ Jn 3:16-17>	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes

It should find any bible verse(s) that includes any piece of Proverbs 28:1-15. Right? Am I interpreting the wiki correct or is the wiki wrong?

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506167#Comment_506167

A <ctrl-F> search seems to only find an exact match.

And by exact you mean an exact text match, not exact match of Bible verse. It will find 'Proverbs 28:13', but not 'Prv 28:13', which works everywhere else.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506173#Comment_506173

A <ctrl-F> search seems to only find an exact match.

And by exact you mean an exact text match, not exact match of Bible verse. It will find 'Proverbs 28:13', but not 'Prv 28:13', which works everywhere else.

That is correct. If you have "Proverbs 28:1-15" in your notes and search using <ctrl-F> for "Proverbs 28:15", you will not find it because there is a "-1" between "Proverbs 28:1" and "5" (in 15). The regular search function will find that it is there, but won't locate its precise spot in a note file.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506162#Comment_506162

<Proverbs 28:1-15> is exact

~<Proverbs 28:1-15> is anything included or overlapping

Martha,

Your syntax ~<Proverbs 28:1-15> is incorrect even though it appears to work, and <=Proverbs 28:1-15> is the syntax for an exact match.

<Proverbs 28:1-15> is same as <bible ~Proverbs 28:1-15> which is same as <~Proverbs 28:1-15> which is the limited intersection in Don's post above.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506173#Comment_506173

A <ctrl-F> search seems to only find an exact match.

And by exact you mean an exact text match, not exact match of Bible verse. It will find 'Proverbs 28:13', but not 'Prv 28:13', which works everywhere else.

Ctrl-F is a dumb (exact) text search, so it is fairly useless when trying to find a passage or other reference in a Note file. Basic Search of "My Content" has the syntax for references but only links results to the Note file. I wish it would delineate the annotation, even if it can't provide a link.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506252#Comment_506252

Your syntax ~<Proverbs 28:1-15> is incorrect

This is not correct according to the wiki page at http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help

I keep making that mistake -- right principle, wrong syntax.

I hope it isn't a case of "You can't teach an old ___________ new tricks".

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/506273#Comment_506273

I hope it isn't a case of "You can't teach an old ___________ new tricks

If you do it for a third time ...[:)]