5.1a Beta 1 (5.1.1.0568) is available
5.1a Beta 1 (5.1.1.0568) is available for testing.
To update to Beta 1, enter the Update Now command if you’ve switched to the beta channel before, or enter the Set Update Channel to Beta command if you’re on a stable version (such as 5.1 SR-1). To install Beta 1 from scratch, see the notes and download links on this thread.
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Downloaded and installed ok.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Usually wait for Beta 2 or 3, but I liked the Release Notes so much, I are restarting as I type [H]
The bug fix for the Library Info panel gave me whiplash [<:o)]
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Angela Murashov said:
5.1a Beta 1 (5.1.1.0568) is available for testing.
To update to Beta 1, enter the Update Now command if you’ve switched to the beta channel before, or enter the Set Update Channel to Beta command if you’re on a stable version (such as 5.1 SR-1). To install Beta 1 from scratch, see the notes and download links on this thread.
Installed and crashed
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
Installed and crashed
This looks like a bug in the Home Page. Please hold down CTRL at startup and open to a Blank Layout to work around this bug.
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10-4, i'll give it a try
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Whyndell Grizzard said:
Installed and crashed
This looks like a bug in the Home Page. Please hold down CTRL at startup and open to a Blank Layout to work around this bug.
Ok it does work- until I open a layout and close it- it then reverts to home page and crashes
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Off to work- will chek back later
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Like the change in the program settings. Now what will you do with the additional real estate?
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Quick question:
If the yellow notification bar says that Logos is indexing and I click on the "X" does it 1) stop the indexing? 2) close the notification bar only? or, 3) stops the indexing and closes the notification bar?
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Like the new download feature.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
Like the new download feature.
What is the "I" for next to the sync button in the picture?
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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JRS said:
Quick question:
If the yellow notification bar says that Logos is indexing and I click on the "X" does it 1) stop the indexing? 2) close the notification bar only? or, 3) stops the indexing and closes the notification bar?
Clicking the 'x' will close the notification bar. It does not stop the indexer.
Lynden Williams said:What is the "I" for next to the sync button in the picture?
Clicking the '!' icon will open a popup which displays the dismissed notifications.
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Thanks Tonya.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Love the new notification bar also.
Did anyone notice the bar go away and come back? Mine did at least twice that I noticed (without any interaction from me). I don't really trust my memory, but it seems like the second time was between 7 and 8% (log says that's BibleIndex phase). My impression is that it disappeared at/during 7% and then was redisplayed when it updated to 8%. Much less sure of the percentage when it occurred the first time. I didn't click on anything, and I didn't notice it do it again after those two times. This all happened after updating to the new beta and then updating 8x resources.
Not earth-shattering, but a curiosity.
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I generally dislike being negative, but I'm not sure I like the Program Settings.
- It's too condensed (on my desktop-haven't checked the tablet yet where touch input reqs more space.). It would feel better with a little more vertical space between lines and definitely more space or something between the yes/no options.
- The blue highlight is not enough to indicate the selection on the yes/no options. Maybe making the text bold on the selected option? Maybe some graphic indicator such as a switch that toggles back and forth under the yes/no? Or an arrow between them that flips back and forth? I keep waiting to hear the sound of a switch flip when I click on an option.
- The "Hyperlink Copied Citations" setting looks like a mistake with the extra space. If it's supposed to be a subitem of "Copy Citations" it needs better visual indicators. Keeping the same line color like the "Automatic Download" options would help. But I would also add more indentation and a bullet (possibly an arrow bullet "->") before the subitem.
- The help icon looks stranded, being so far out to the right. Why can't we see the help text when we hover over the setting text? eg. Show the help text when hovering over the text "Send Feedback". The same as is done in the main menus such as when you hover over Tools -> Highlighting.
There's still something else that just doesn't feel right that I can't put my finger on. Maybe it's too much. It seems to run on. Maybe adding a good bit more vertical space and separating the sections into tabs? Or doing something to make the sections stand out a LOT more, like increasing the font size of the headers and/or changing their color or the background color of the line?
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Randy W. Sims (Shayne) said:
It's too condensed (on my desktop-haven't checked the tablet yet where touch input reqs more space.)
I know I will get some pushback... and that is OK. [:)]
A UI that is designed for keyboard & mouse isn't ideal for touch. A UI that is designed for touch, isn't ideal for keyboard & mouse. The desktop app, for the near future, isn't designed for touch. There should be no compromises for normal desktop users. Touch devices are still fairly novel, and fragmented. At some point in the future, it may make sense for Logos to develop a touch UI... but it should be a unique UI designed for touch... Just my 2 cents.
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alabama24 said:
The desktop app ... isn't designed for touch. There should be no compromises for normal desktop users.
Amen. Case in point ... Windows 8.
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Randy W. Sims (Shayne) said:
Love the new notification bar also.
Did anyone notice the bar go away and come back?
I do too. Mine also came back, though I can't say exactly when (Logos was running in the background). But I have had similar behavior with the tray icon popping up with information from time to time as well (and still did it at least once this time). The behavior is slightly more annoying in the program UI, but only because the notification takes up more program UI space.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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alabama24 said:
I know I will get some pushback... and that is OK.
OK. [;)]
alabama24 said:A UI that is designed for keyboard & mouse isn't ideal for touch. A UI that is designed for touch, isn't ideal for keyboard & mouse.
I agree, somewhat. But, I believe they can meet much closer with very little trade-off.
alabama24 said:There should be no compromises for normal desktop users.
Absolutely agree!
alabama24 said:Touch devices are still fairly novel, and fragmented.
Somewhat agree. I think they will be considered "novel" until application developers produce truly useful apps that take full advantage of gestures. I believe Logos is ideally suited to this. And I would love to go into more detail on touch UI in another thread a little later on, but...
I didn't intend my critiques in my previous post as specifically for touch devices. I would have made the same suggestions if I had never seen or used a touch device. Modern UI design seems to favor more space and Logos moved toward this with the release of Logos 5... in some places. Look at the Tools menu, for example. Look at the changes to the website, on the accounts pages. If you go through the various pages there you will notice a lot of space around various elements. Lots of whitespace. It looks good. It looks clean. My suggestion is that Logos follow through with that design, which they've already started to implement.
Note: The image below is NOT my suggested implementation for the Settings. Much of it is, but I do not like the blue. I left it in to try to illustrate a point I'll cover below.
Excel works pretty good for prototyping list/grid views. I played around for about an hour trying different things. Again, this is not my ideal design, but I thought it useful to illustrate a few points.
- It has more in common with the Tools menu than the Settings panel.
- I've used the same or pretty close to the same font size (incl the downsized YES/NOs). However, I didn't use semibold because it does not have a distinguishable bold, and I believe the bolding of the YES/NO selection makes it much much more visible. Try it in the spreadsheet below and see.
- Notice it's not hugely different when compared to the Settings with regard to size and spacing if you compare it side by side. A slight increase in vertical spacing. Cleaner. More open. It also makes it possible to increase the block around the YES/NO selection slightly.
- The bullets, especially a right arrow, makes the structure much clearer.
- The thing I mentioned in my first post, that I couldn't quite put my finger on has to do with the alternating shaded lines. I tried, but it does not work for the Settings. It makes things feel much more cramped. It reduces contrast, hiding the selections. It adds more chaos than clarity. That technique works great for long lists or wide list, but it is unnecessary here and obscures too much.
- The blue. I don't like the blue. It doesn't fit. Logos UI is mostly monochromatic. The Settings and the Resource Menus introduce random splotches of blue. When I look at the Settings, I look at the splotches of blue and think why are they blue? What is the significance of the blue? The part of the illustration above that I don't like (because it doesn't mesh with Logos UI) is the blue, but I think it shows the NEED to give context to the blue swatches. Given context, an anchor, the blue swatches can look good, but without that anchor it seems out of place and random.
Here's the spreadsheet for anyone else who wants to try their hand at amateur UI design.
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Here's a slightly better way to integrate the blue, both shades of Logos blue.
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Anyone have a problem with their Inline Interlinear info in the Bibles disappearing? I've restarted Logos, the computer, changed Bible versions, etc. Haven't had this problem before and thought it may be the new Beta that's doing it. Anyone else come across this?
I'm using 5.1.1.0568 for Mac
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Noah Downing said:
Anyone have a problem with their Inline Interlinear info in the Bibles disappearing? I've restarted Logos, the computer, changed Bible versions, etc. Haven't had this problem before and thought it may be the new Beta that's doing it. Anyone else come across this?
I'm using 5.1.1.0568 for Mac
see here
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Thanks! [Y]
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I LOVE:
- The new style
- The new localizations
- The new bar
Good job!
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Noah Downing said:
Anyone have a problem with their Inline Interlinear info in the Bibles disappearing?
This is a known issue which Bradley Grainger (Logos) said would be fixed in an upcoming beta here 508891.aspx
Anon posted a link to the original thread, but the promise of repair was contained in a different thread which Bama initiated to bring the issue to the front burner.
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