Logos Asks: What's the output of your Bible study in Logos?
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
(I'd love to hear your responses here, and ideas for answers I missed. Then I'll turn this into a survey question for our user survey, once I have a better sense of the options.)
What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos? (For example, one pastor told me it was searching the Internet for royalty-free images to add to his slides.)
If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation? Do you want more of this kind of media? Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
http://www.logos.com/product/6467/high-definition-commentary-philippians
Thanks for your feedback!
-- Bob
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For me:
- Most common: Personal edification. Output is journaling or notetaking usually within Logos
- Opportunity for Product: I think that a Journal/diary feature here that would compile daily readings, highlights, prayers, and notes (if a box is checked) so at a glance my daily discipline and growth can be tracked would be an opportunity for feature improvement here
- Opportunity: Mobile Prayer list reader.
- Study Guides for Leading Smallgroup: When my study is for smallgroup Bible study I teach. Always created in either Microsoft Word or Google Documents on a second screen (or copy and paste selections from note files). They are then printed out and/or emailed. Many times screenshots and/or images from Logos are included.
- Opportunity for Product: Shared study documents, where users can respond in input fields and then either access questions and responses from mobile device or print and bring to a study.
- Class handouts. Generally made and printed from Word. Oftentimes shared as a pdf. Many times screenshots and/or images from Logos are included.
- Opportunity: class notes on Logos app, with students able to take notes within app. (Share responses with teacher/other students)
- Opportunity: Better simple word processor within Logos
- Essays/position paper. When the elders are working through theological issues, my studies often culminate in position papers, many times shared privately among the pastors and/or posted publically. These regularly have links to commentaries and word studies from Logos.
- Opportunity: Create documents (like position paper) within Logos and share with others, optimally with option for collaboration, commentary, or read only (like Google docs).
- Sermon manuscript. Most often for my eyes only, exported to my iPad or printed. This is usually written in either a Logos notefile or in Microsoft Word.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Bob Pritchett said:
Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
Much of my product is internal, so I don't take notes. If I need an outline for a Bible Study session, I use Clippings. I haven't examined the new Sermon tools in detail, but it appears that I could start with a Topic Guide as usual and use Illustrations to get a Sermon Starter.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- An academic paper or article.
Any or all of the above, though more often than not my sermons are a hybrid between a sermon outline and a full manuscript.
Also lecture notes (not slides for projection, but personal notes for guiding me through teaching a class or seminar).
Also sometimes informal writing such as answering people on Facebook or in email, comments on blogs, etc.
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
Get a snack, go to the bathroom, etc. [:)]
Oh, you mean on the computer? Check my email.
Oh, you mean having to do with my "work product"? Polish off my writing in MS Word and print it or save it as a PDF to send to my tablet.
Bob Pritchett said:If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
Neither of the first two. I print them out or send them to my tablet as a PDF.
I sometimes look for quotes or illustrations online -- current events in the news, or interesting stuff in the blogosphere. But I usually don't go looking for that in order to fill a need in my sermon/lecture prep. I usually stumble across something in the week or two before I'm preparing the sermon/lecture which piques my interest, and I grab a link to it for use when I'm actually doing the writing. I read widely all the time, so I'm always collecting tidbits and quotes from here and there (books, Internet).
Bob Pritchett said:Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation? Do you want more of this kind of media?
I once prepared a slide show of art illustrating the life of Abraham, for a course I was teaching on Pentateuch and Biblical Narrative. I think I did get a few of the images from Logos, including a couple of maps, but most of the sort of image I was looking for was not available in Logos, so I went elsewhere online for such art -- great paintings mostly. Stuff like this and this and this and this and this.
Some of the good repositories of links to biblical art online are The Art Concordance (at The Text This Week), Art and the Bible, Art in the Christian Tradition (Vanderbilt Library), Famous Paintings of Bible Stories, and Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. I'm sure Logos can gain access to high quality images of all of those that are in the public domain, and more. It would greatly enhance the media offerings in Logos. Please do it!
Bob Pritchett said:Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
No, never media (yet). But I did once lead a Bible study using a Logos resource: Faith and Work: Christianity Today Study Series. However, since the other members of my Bible study group did not have Logos, I only gave the copies of the first two chapters (PDF versions, exported from Logos) while we waited for the hard copies I'd ordered to arrive. I might consider using a resource that is meant for teaching if it came licensed with the right to share up to 12 or 15 copies for teaching purposes only with a small group or class.
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
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Bob Pritchett said:When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
None of the above - at various times:
- Bible study guides (weekly) including worksheets
- Bible study tools
- technical Bible study methods and template handouts
- lector reading notes; musician planning notes
- devotional notes (lay sermon presentation)
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
Use software to build the notes that cannot be done in Logos using:
- Inspiration 9 for graphic organizers and mind maps
- Gephi for graphic representation of cross-references and other passage interrelationships
- IHMC C-map tools for concept maps to explore Bible concept relationships
- Argumentative to map theological arguments
- identify music/poetry related to Bible passage or theme
Bob Pritchett said:If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software?
No, building presentation materials is a separate, parallel effort for which I use little from Logos. I rarely use Logos outlines.
Bob Pritchett said:Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation? Do you want more of this kind of media? Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
I occasionally use a Logos diagram - never from the sources you mention. I found the media in Abraham and Philippians to be well executed but most were content-poor i.e. apparently designed to fit preconceived frequency requirements rather than issues actually clarified but a visual presentation.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
All of the above - most frequently at the moment it would be a sermon outline moving to sermon manuscript. When I resume at college in September, academic output will become important again.
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos? (For example, one pastor told me it was searching the Internet for royalty-free images to add to his slides.)
It's normally working on the "sermon presentation" area - continuing to work on the manuscript (in Word) and, when required, producing slides in PowerPoint. It also involved producing an "order of service" for Sunday services which I just do in Word.
Bob Pritchett said:If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
When using Presentation Software for sermons (which I do some weeks and not others) I put the sermon material together and then email it to someone else to include in the full presentation for that service (songs, readings, etc). In terms of online supplemental material it is normally a wide range of images.
Bob Pritchett said:Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation? Do you want more of this kind of media? Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
Yes I have - and found particularly the Philippians slides very helpful. Sometimes I am not able to use the images available in Logos as the associated text makes a different point to the one I am making from the slide itself. Having the ability to change the text here (which I know is asking a lot) could be very useful.
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos? (For example, one pastor told me it was searching the Internet for royalty-free images to add to his slides.)
If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
-- Bob
Primarily I use Logos for my personal study as well as preparation for teaching.
Whatever passage I am using, I will copy the text from Logos into Word and then structure it, color-coding the key words. Then I will insert "commentary" from Logos into my "commentary boxes" in my structuring,
Depending on the passage and need, I will use Logos for maps and images as handouts for my students. I would use the maps more often if I was able to adjust what cities or empires, etc. are displayed on the maps
At other times when I am using PowerPoint for my teaching, then I will pull in some text from Logos, as well as maps or images, but often I have to spend a lot of time finding the right images on the internet.
I have also used Logos (along with the internet) for academic papers, as well as for preparation in lecturing at the university.
Charlene
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Rosie Perera said:
I once prepared a slide show of art illustrating the life of Abraham, for a course I was teaching on Pentateuch and Biblical Narrative. I think I did get a few of the images from Logos, including a couple of maps, but most of the sort of image I was looking for was not available in Logos, so I went elsewhere online for such art -- great paintings mostly. Stuff like this and this and this and this and this.
Some of the good repositories of links to biblical art online are The Art Concordance (at The Text This Week), Art and the Bible, Art in the Christian Tradition (Vanderbilt Library), Famous Paintings of Bible Stories, and Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. I'm sure Logos can gain access to high quality images of all of those that are in the public domain, and more. It would greatly enhance the media offerings in Logos. Please do it!
[Y]
Thanks, Rosie, for the web links! Great images!
Charlene
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
All of the above (although I have less need to produce academic-level papers at this time).
I most frequently use Logos for personal study, sermon preparation and then bible study preparation. I use notes extensively in both preparation and outlining.
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos? (For example, one pastor told me it was searching the Internet for royalty-free images to add to his slides.)
If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
For sermon preparation, I use the note function (within Logos) extensively in the planning/outlining phase. I then write this up, longhand, in Word as a script (of sorts) which is made available to my congregation. I similarly use Word to produce rudimentary handouts and question/answer sheets for Bible studies and articles/positional papers.
Microsoft Word is usually the first place I go when shutting down Logos.
We also use Proclaim (which I ordinarily have open alongside Logos). When preparing a sermon, I will usually transfer my key points into the note section in Proclaim (to use as a prompt alongside the slides to be displayed).
Bob Pritchett said:Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation? Do you want more of this kind of media? Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
I have, on very rare occasion, used photographs of archeological interest or maps exported from Logos. I have not yet used any of the Logos produced teaching media. In all honesty, I am unlikely to use such resources as our church is blessed with a number of media/creative types and we tend to produce bespoke media content to accompany teaching/sermon series, etc. This is probably unlikely to change in the immediate future.
I have looked at the Pastorum bundle and can imagine that the content would be useful. However, because we use our own media content, the Logos designed backgrounds would not match and I would, therefore, be unlikely to use this.
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal. [Y]
- A sermon outline. [Y] Occasionally. To be specific, ideas are gleaned from Logos resources, but the actual outline is created in MS Word.
- An academic paper or article. [Y] And hard-core biblical research stuff. Which is why I'd really like Logos to give strong priority to Research, as in the name of the company.
- A full-manuscript sermon. Never
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc. Almost never
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Bob Pritchett said:
What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
Nothing outside Logos.
Bob Pritchett said:If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
I print the Clipping or just use it from the software for Bible Studies I hold. Topic Guide/Search is very good for supplemental questions I can't answer on the spot.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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This is a really interesting thread.
Bob Pritchett said:When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
Often just personal interest/growth, but most often something produced in Microsoft Word. I don't create anything in Logos. That will be either sermon/lecture notes, class handouts or bits of my thesis. Class handouts are printed out, and put on the Seminary website as PDFs.
I very rarely have images or media accompanying what I say. I'm old-fashioned enough to believe good oratory and Powerpoint are rarely seen together. Besides, there's a reason why there's so little of the visual arts in the Bible [;)].
I rarely look for anything online. If I do, it will be for recent news events I might use in sermon illustrations.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Mark Barnes said:
Besides, there's a reason why there's so little of the visual arts in the Bible
.Cost of supplies?[:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bob Pritchett said:
- A sermon outline.
Occasionally, when called upon to fill in for the pastor. Churches in this area seldom call a man who has passed 60 years.
Sermon/teaching outlines are prepared in MS Word. Do not believe that Logos is adequate for this.
Bob Pritchett said:- An academic paper or article.
Writing a commentary on James, but have no idea what I will do with the finished product.
Bob Pritchett said:- A full-manuscript sermon.
Haven't done that since my first two sermons in 1975 [:D]
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
Liked Rosie's answer [Y]
Rosie Perera said:Get a snack, go to the bathroom, etc.
Oh, you mean on the computer? Check my email.
Oh, you mean having to do with my "work product"? Polish off my writing in MS Word
Left out the last part, because the last time I tried teaching from an iPad the lesson did not go well. Of course, I do not necessarily need an iPad for a lesson to be less that I desired.
Bob Pritchett said:If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software?
My audience would detest "sermons on the wall"
Bob Pritchett said:Email them to someone?
Have a missionary friend in South Africa with whom I share my notes.
Bob Pritchett said:Do you look for any supplemental material online?
When something is referenced by authors in Logos—and the material is not available in Logos—I frequently search for the primary source. Last time, it was Hort's commentary on James.
Bob Pritchett said:Do you want more of this kind of media?
Would not use it personally, but I can see its value for those congregations who must fill the walls with flat screens.
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I usually study, create a folder in favourites, and drag my text there. Notes are usually attached to the passage.
Sometimes I write a manuscript, but I prefer teaching/preaching from the text and notes. Better eye contact.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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> When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Lecture notes and sermon outline written as Logos notes and printed out before I teach/preach
- Accademic articles and books (currently writing one college textbook and one commentary on John)
My writing process is as follows:
- At the outset of a new writing project I gather my relevant resources in Logos and put them in Favorites folders and in Collections. I similarly organize my print books and do a search for academic articles in "ATLA Religion" (the number of academic articles in Logos is still very limited)
- For each section or chapter of my book/article I read the Bible text, commentaries and other books in Logos (on PC and iPad) and underline while I read, then I write my own notes in Logos notes files, then switch to MS Word where I write the text of my article or book. For academic articles that need footnotes and a bibliography formatted with the SBL style, I might use the software Endnote from Thomson Reuters. Logos is completely useless for giving correct footnotes in SBL style (book titles are wrong, publisher names are not shortened as they should be, no journal or book series abbreviations, etc etc).
So if you want feedback for the sake of improving Logos, I personally would like the following:
- As ATLA Religion gets more and more academic articles digitized in its library, work with them and the journal publishers to get academic articles into Logos as well. Academic articles is the next big unexplored territory for Logos.
- Add database fields for all your resources to contain bibliographic information according to the SBL style, which is used more and more by biblical and theological publishers.
Here is an example of how Logos gets the SBL style wrong.
Footnote produced by Logos in alleged SBL style:
Mark L. Strauss, The Davidic Messiah in Luke–Acts: The Promise and Its Fulfillment in Lukan Christology (Journal for the Study of the New Testament Supplement Series; Sheffield, England: Sheffield Academic Press, 1995), 16.
Correct SBL style (notice the abbreviation of the series inside the parenthesis, and the number in the series):
Mark L. Strauss, The Davidic Messiah in Luke–Acts: The Promise and Its Fulfillment in Lukan Christology (JSNTSup 413; Sheffield, England: Sheffield Academic Press, 1995), 16.
Bibliographical entry produced by Logos in alleged SBL style:
Strauss, Mark L. The Davidic Messiah in Luke–Acts: The Promise and Its Fulfillment in Lukan Christology. Vol. 413. Journal for the Study of the New Testament Supplement Series. Sheffield, England: Sheffield Academic Press, 1995.
Correct SBL style:
Strauss, Mark L. The Davidic Messiah in Luke–Acts: The Promise and Its Fulfillment in Lukan Christology. Journal for the Study of the New Testament: Supplement Series 413. Sheffield, England: Sheffield Academic Press, 1995.
And this was an easy one. A more complicated resource would be an essay/chapter inside an edited book. Logos tends to give the editor of the book as the author, instead of the person who actually wrote it.
Footnote produced by Logos in alleged SBL style:
John Kaltner and Louis Stulman, eds., Inspired Speech: Prophecy in the Ancient Near East Essays in Honor of Herbert B. Huffmon (London: T&T Clark, 2004), 336.
Correct SBL style:
Michael S. More, "Bathsheba's Silence (1 Kings 1:11–31)," in Inspired Speech: Prophecy in the Ancient Near East Essays in Honor of Herbert B. Huffmon (ed. John Kaltner and Louis Stulman; London: T&T Clark, 2004), 336.
But in order for Logos to do this correctly you would have to manually go through ALL your resources and add a lot of new information in your database, including SBL abbreviations for journals and book series, and article information for each and every article/section in edited books. I do not believe this will prioritized by Logos, but it is possibly the number one time saving feature that Logos could add to help me speed up my academic writing process.
In any case, Logos is a fantastic tool as it is. It gives me quick access to virtually all commentary sets and a majority of the important books I need, helps med to study and take notes fast and efficiently, and makes me a much more productive writer than those who don't have Logos.
Reimar Vetne
Associate Professor of New Testament
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I use logos for writing a weekly sermon, I produce a hybrid outline/full manuscript as people request a copy on Sundays, and the children ministry teachers also request a copy.
I also heavily use Logos for academic studies.
I could not live without Logos, the only problem is my paper books now get a little dusty.
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Kelvin Niblett said:
the only problem is my paper books now get a little dusty.
If the books are available in Logos, then sell them and buy the digital one.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Dave Hooton said:Bob Pritchett said:
What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
Nothing outside Logos.
So that is how you get to 14,000 posts - do nothing except Logos and the related forums - Thanks
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My 'work product' is mostly Internal - Personal learning, insight and growth
But, being a second string local church leader, there have been times when I have used Logos to lead out when the first string leaders did not show up. With some of the resources in Logos we have instant access to a half hour study with zero preparation time. Get someone to do a three song song service, an opening prayer and start talking. [And you can do that with a topic that the group picks on the spot]0 -
If we're talking Logos4/5 then I use it almost completely for the right-click menu (quick lookup/search) plus the Perseus resources.
If we're talking Logos in general, then personal growth with note-taking, articles, etc in other Bible software.
But I'd assume, as Logos builds out the platforms, the answers will be platform specific (PC, tablet, phone, etc) and software specific (Logos, FaithLife, Biblia, etc)
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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When I use Logos it is mainly first and foremost for my own personal growth and edification.
Then I use it for sermon preparation and Bible Study preparation.
I also use Logos for preparing lecture material. I use graphics if they are available and apply to what I am teaching. A few years ago I taught an exegetical course on Philippians. I used just about all the graphics in Runge's book on Philippians. I have to use power point because it works best for sending the ppt to the students to use for their own note taking.
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
Primarily conformity to the image of Christ which is both internal and evidenced in Christian charity and Biblical obedience.
Secondarily, all of the above.
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos? (For example, one pastor told me it was searching the Internet for royalty-free images to add to his slides.)
Format my MS Word document as a detailed preaching outline or export select images to PPT. I don't do a PPT bullet pointed version of my sermon, but will post occasional graphics that illustrate the teaching point (I found Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians to be EXCELLENT for this)
I also search the web (YouTube primarily) for video snippets that will reinforce my teaching - memory experts say action is more memorable than still images.
Bob Pritchett said:If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
I write discussion questions for small groups that facilitate fleshing out the sermon. These are often emailed to group leaders or posted on a website for them to download. I copy the images to a shared network location for our AV team to grab and import into MediaShout. And I print a copy of my detailed outline with cues as to when to project each image.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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> When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
Both personal study and material for teaching adult Sunday School.
> What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
I may put some handouts together in Pages. I actually do most of my note taking in Evernote, then build the handout in pages. Never got myself into the habit of keeping notes within Logos.
> If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
Depending on the topic, I may look for some graphics online... mainly location photos to show what OT or NT places look like today. And as mentioned above, I will print notes for the class.
> Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation? Do you want more of this kind of media? Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
This is probably why I answered this question to begin with. Next month, I'm doing the Joseph character study and then Mary. One of the things that drew me to it was the included graphics. I want to try to incorporate some visual elements to either draw in people who tend to learn better visually, or simply to just keep things from getting stale following the same format week after week, year after year.
I'm hoping you add more products in this category, even if it isn't a character study as this type of thing could be applied to any Bible topic. It's also nice that you've prepared handouts and promotional elements. Wish I had known about the Philippians program when I was making choices on what to teach the rest of this year.
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Mark Barnes said:
I very rarely have images or media accompanying what I say. I'm old-fashioned enough to believe good oratory and Powerpoint are rarely seen together.
Is this the same Mark Barnes that produced the best Logos videos out there?[:O][:P]
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Thanks for starting this thread, Bob.
My uses of Logos:
- Sermon preparation - essentially all the study in Logos; sermon outline itself in Word
- Seminary work - research papers; reading reviews; etc.
- Seminary work - reading and note-taking (i.e. for classes which measure proficiency via tests)
- Personal research - an example is learning about textual criticism, though this area is heavily supplemented by dead tree books at present
- Personal study - sometimes topical, more often books / pericopae, frequently in Greek if that's the original language
- Pleasure reading - nonfiction
- Daily reading plan (M'cheyne from Carson's "For the Love of God")
First activity outside of Logos:
- Finalizing sermon outline; saving as pdf and checking it's in dropbox
- Check email
- Check Twitter
My sermon outlines contain color to represent various things (Bible text/reference; important point; etc.). I print them out in color, single-sided.
I have used Logos media in powerpoint decks, very occasionally for sermons (e.g. a map), more often than not for conference-style presentation.
Donnie
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
(I'd love to hear your responses here, and ideas for answers I missed. Then I'll turn this into a survey question for our user survey, once I have a better sense of the options.)
It is mostly personal learning and insight when I am reading in general. Our church is running a reading plan on Faithlife as well.
I do personal notes when I am preparing for a sermon. However, I am moving away from notes to just highlighting (see below.)
I then use Google Drive to create a sermon outline, and develop that into a full sermon. I make copious use of Logos 5's copy and bibliography features for this. Drive has the advantage that I can go to another computer or tablet with no Logos installation and use Biblia or the mobile app(s) to continue working.
I do slides only for a NT Survey I am taking in church weekly. The slides are made in Drive as well.
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos? (For example, one pastor told me it was searching the Internet for royalty-free images to add to his slides.)
If it's something cool, I send links or copied text to my friends in chat. For sermons, I transition to tightening my sermon in Drive.
Bob Pritchett said:If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
I create manuscripts and I dont use prebuilt outlines. The final manuscripts accompany the sermon on the church website. I look for other sermons online once in a while.
Bob Pritchett said:Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation? Do you want more of this kind of media? Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
http://www.logos.com/product/6467/high-definition-commentary-philippians
I havent but I have a friend who has used them for Bible studies (maps, Faithlife infographics etc.)
Bob Pritchett said:Thanks for your feedback!
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Thank you for your focus on customers like me!
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Logos is a bit of a swiss army knife when it comes to Bible study and I use it accordingly...
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
It always starts here... One of the things I have always appreciated in Logos is the ability to create/manage reading plans and prayer lists. Even when I use other Bible software for other things that Logos can't do, this has always been a strength that has brought me to Logos daily.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
I do not journal in Logos... I do keep a lot of notes though. I appreciate they sync with the iPad. The weakness I see is that notes are not by default connected to a resource like Amazon. That said, I would love to develop a 'personal commentary'/journal... not sure if Logos can currently do this or if this could be a possible killer devotional feature.
A sermon outline.
Yes, but the heart of this is doing exegetical work. The exegetical guide is very helpful. Would love to see some killer features built for aiding in textual criticism... kind of a textual criticism guide. Would love to see the exegetical guide taken to the next level by leveraging full tagging of Exegetical Summaries.
- An academic paper or article.
Clippings, clippings, clippings! Managing batches of clippings for compiling a paper would be awesome. Would love for clippings to sync with the iPad. Building a paper in Logos is much easier than the old way, though citations are still difficult to manage at times. The more journals the better. I often organize my research through extensive use of favourites, so there might be better ways to have a 'stack of books' organized for future enquiry.
Tagging is essential (we need a tagging manager!) This is the only way to supplement Logos' tagging in a way to make your library accessible for your research or study needs.
Logos is the king of research and would love to see it continue to grow in its abilities to assist the researcher collate materials for writing papers.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
Yes, definitely.
- Other
- Just reading... these huge libraries mean on the road I can read, read, read on a variety of topics for pleasure, entertainment and devotional purposes.
- Browsing around just looking for topics to read on... the home page excerpts and Book of the day are useful for this. Sometimes when I just have a few minutes, rather surf around on the internet I will explore my library.
- Skimming quickly a topic that I don't have time to fully research... the tools in Logos are brilliant for this. I love the Lexham Bible Guides for the purpose of a quick 'curator' to point you down a number of trails, but the guides are pricey.
- Looking for background and context. Would love to see a mapping program with overlays, links to Bible Facts to present you material and timelines related to a location.
What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
Go to Sente. I need to access articles on a regular basis.
Go to Devonthink. There is a lot of material that I cannot collect or collate in Logos. I use Devonthink to keep my journal, be my collection pot for research in terms of capturing and indexing material on the web, particularly PDFs. I even export notes and clippings from Logos to Devonthink. If Logos could act as this bucket, that would be awesome... but I am consigned to the fact that this might be a big ask, so I use separate tools.
Hope this helps!
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
IMHO, if I do not grow from my study, then I need to find a new profession.
When I was in a congregation I used Logos for my sermon prep and Sunday School prep. While what I needed for the two were different, I would end up with notes to create the final product.
Now that I am in a hospital and hospice settings, I don't use Logos nearly as much as I use to. Now I simply use Logos to do personal research for Sunday's texts.
Create the final product in MS Word.Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
noBob Pritchett said:do you put outlines right into presentation software?
noBob Pritchett said:Email them to someone?
only for meBob Pritchett said:Print them out?
noBob Pritchett said:Do you look for any supplemental material online?
noBob Pritchett said:Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation?
noBob Pritchett said:Do you want more of this kind of media?
noBob Pritchett said:Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
All of these
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos?
Search here for illustrations that match the sermon points
Bob Pritchett said:If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
No presentations, purely exegetical.
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David Ames said:
So that is how you get to 14,000 posts - do nothing except Logos and the related forums - Thanks
Not quite there, yet. But I'm trying!
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:David Ames said:
So that is how you get to 14,000 posts - do nothing except Logos and the related forums - Thanks
Not quite there, yet. But I'm trying!
Don't slow down or you will be caught.
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I teach an adult Sunday School class of about 65 people. I use Logos for my research into each lesson. I also copy Scripture and quotes from Logos sources into Word to create a complete lesson. I then run off copies of the lesson for every member of the class. Most lessons are 6 to 8 pages in length. Logos is an invaluable toll for me and my teaching.
Soli Deo Gloria,
Randy
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My work products from Logos are Bible Studies and Sermon outlines and full-manuscript sermons. I occasionally put together powerpoint presentations with multimedia, but not regularly. I teach three Bible studies and preach four times each week. So Logos is my daily tool. After that, Logos is used for my personal studies and growth and pleasure.
When I finish with Logos, I sometimes look for illustrations for my sermons, or how someone else has handled the text in a sermon. Or I watch a ballgame or read a novel.
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David Ames said:So that is how you get to 14,000 posts - do nothing except Logos and the related forums - Thanks
Not quite there, yet. But I'm trying!
Congratulations! You're there now. 14002 is showing at this time.
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Dave Hooton said:David Ames said:
So that is how you get to 14,000 posts - do nothing except Logos and the related forums - Thanks
Not quite there, yet. But I'm trying!
You must be 10 times smarter than me! I only have about a tenth as many posts.
It takes so much time and effort given to help others for you to reach 14,000 posts. Thanks for all you do.
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Work product is usually:
- Personal study\worship
- Preparation for talks\sermons
I build all my annotations in other software as the internal note system is just too basic for my needs. I use internal notes to mark places where there are external notes.
Never use Logos outlines - I build my preaching outlines in Mindmanager, but I will create Mindmap hyperlinks back to Logos which is very useful.
I don't really "finish" using Logos in that sense in a workflow - I jump in and out constantly when studying or preparing.
I have used media from Logos in presentations e.g. some maps recently to demonstrate the division of the land between the twelve tribes. It tends to be maps and diagrams (e.g. temple layout) rather than e.g. etchings of ancient coins and so forth.
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fgh said:Mark Barnes said:
I very rarely have images or media accompanying what I say. I'm old-fashioned enough to believe good oratory and Powerpoint are rarely seen together.
This surprises me a little to be honest. What about differing learning styles? You may be leaving a large chunk of your audience behind. I always spend time creating instructive visuals when teaching and it's the visuals that get most of the positive feedback! But then I'm a strongly visual thinker myself. Each to his own
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
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http://www.logos.com/product/6467/high-definition-commentary-philippians
Bob, first of all, thanks for the reminder of that resource! I'm preaching from Philippians this week, and I totally forgot I had that commentary. That will make up for the fact that the EEC volume for Philippians was supposed to be released within the past week and got pushed back*. [;)]
The way I primarily use Logos seems to be for reading and highlighting. I would have used it more for note-taking, but it was such a frustrating experience when I first got Logos that I've abandoned it for that purpose for now. I suppose I use it for notes the way you (Bob Pritchett) envisioned: as small margin scribbles. I wish I could be using it more for personal idea collaboration and organization that integrates with the research materials I've purchased.
Logos drives all those things you mention in your list. I do all of those things, but they never find their final form in Logos. I believe I've grown tremendously because of Logos in the time I've had it, and I really am thankful for it. Anyway, the sermon notes/outlines/manuscripts end up in Google Documents. My "papers" end up in Google Documents (no papers are for publications--just circulation within church). I am working on a book and that is in Scrivener. <-- That is a beautiful piece of technology that I suspect many Logos users would want integrated into Logos. If you're looking to expand Logos into a Full Service environment, please study Scrivener's model. Is there a chance you would consider licensing their engine as a Logos Add-on? I would definitely buy that.
To summarize, it appears that I use Logos to stream data out. That's a good thing. But I'd love to stream data in. Right now I feel like I have to wrestle data in and that's not always worth the effort, so other tools fill that space.
Thank you for leading a company that listens to its users and works hard to fulfill our needs.
Bill
*and I'd rather have it done right rather than rushed
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Logos is, for me, the answer to the invitation to sit at the Master's feet. I couldn't possibly do the Bible study with all the juggling of books I once did because of my post chemo disabilities. I use Logos for personal Bible study, to prepare short drash messages to my congregation, prepare an occasional sermon to the congregation, write a blog, and answer questions from people who think I know a lot more than I actually do. And to try to know my Master a whole lot better so I won't have to look up so many answers without wondering if I'm near a Wifi connection.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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I do personal devotional reading of the Bible only using my iPad. That is personal learning, or, better, edification.
I read books for personal growth and profit on my iPad. Some are from Vyrso and others from Logos. That is personal learning.
I highlight the Bible and books I am reading usually on my iPad. I don't often take notes in Logos. The highlighting supports all my other output.
I prepare a weekly adult Sunday School lesson for our teachers. This involves using Logos for background study. I create the lesson in MS Word. I sometimes include a map, chart, or graphic directly from Logos in the lesson material for a class room visual. Occasionally I excerpt a dictionary article or a commentary to include with the lesson. I cut and paste into MS Word to do this.
For sermon prep I sometimes use clippings files and note files. Sometimes I make use of a passage list (for topical sermons). I sometimes print these out for reading and to have at hand when I sit and do further study or start outlining or planning my message. The message usually starts on paper then goes into MS Word. At that point I may copy and paste material in the notes files or clipping files from Logos. I handle scripture by using the Smart Tag feature in MS Word. Rarely, but sometimes, I use the Copy Bible Verses feature directly. I rarely use PowerPoint in preaching.
For my mid-week adult Bible study class, I output an outline as a result of my study, sometimes on paper, other times using MS Word. This does not usually contain much that is directly from Logos, but it comes from what reading in and using Logos to study has provided me. I do use PowerPoint quite a bit when teaching. Sometimes I'll add a graphic from Logos to these slides. I have made extensive use of the journals in Logos on a couple of occasions when teaching on a contemporary topic for which I've found good material there. Often I print those articles out. After reading, studying and working with then, I incorporate the info in a MS Word document using copy and paste from Logos, or I sequence reading sections from the print copies into my teaching plan.
Occasionally I have created a devotional or Bible reading guide for use by the congregation. Because it is easier for me I usually use MS Publisher for this type of output. I have used maps and graphics from Logos to illustrate the material. For example one summer we traced Paul's journeys in Acts and correlated (as best I could) his writings to the churches into this itinerary when he visited those places. These as well as the journey readings were the basis for daily Bible readings and reflections. I included maps of his missionary journeys from Logos, and at least one illustration from Logos for each city he wrote to.
You didn't ask, but I have only once directly read from my iPad in Bible study. I have never used it in worship.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Hi, Bob! It's a pleasure to have You ask!
I do parallel study (by that I don't mean parallel cross-references within the Bible), Gk, make collections. I leave 1-2 dozen books open for months plus very temporarily open more books. Leaving the books open feels like the easiest thing to do, perhaps I will be doing more of saving layouts on the older laptop which has only the maximum 4 GB RAM (my newer laptop has 8 GB and a hybrid disk with 8 GB built-in SSD to speed up some tasks). One of the books that is open all the time, is the Encyclopedia of Christianity, vols 1-3, 4, 5.
I look forward to citing works! That feature is awesome and I'm glad Logos has finally implemented the American Psychological Association 6th Edition format. It's the default citation format so I've learned to like it. Only thing is that I always modify it manually putting a "p." and backspace in front of the page number digits.
The problem is my hardware, but the most annoying thing about Logos is that on my older laptop (2009) scrolling makes the monitor flicker a little bit. I did know that Logos requires good hardware but the seller (a private person working with setting up surveillance cam computers) mirrored for free the Windows 7 installation in it to an SSD and gave a warranty on the SSD, so I couldn't resist it. So I don't have much to complain about. I'm happy with the L5 datasets included in Bronze. I have tried out Silver twice but returned it. Have also tried out Verbum for a year but gave it away to a poor person living on a disability income and having only $7 left each month, she particularly wished she had Roman-Catholic books. The computers still remember the Verbum/Deuterocanonicals settings and I'm glad about that. I don't have the Catechism of the Roman-Catholic Church since I gave away Verbum and can't get it again because of the copyright restriction, but actually I really don't miss it so Logos doesn't need to do anyone efforts about that on my behalf.
My goal is a neat library that can be searched (hence creating collections) and books opened up easy. I have for example a tagging system where I've assigned books categories with both short letter abbreviations, and short 2-3 digit codes, so when working intensely within one of those categories I only need to type 2-3 digits. I use Logos to complement my print library which is much smaller but contains mostly books and Bibles that are not available in Logos, such as the Jerusalem Bible and The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Books of the Bible (2 large vols.).
I plan on doing Gk heavy lifting in the Logos desktop software and on Accordance in the future. I'm going to study classical Gk first in uni, then theology, then Biblical Gk. I'm also interested in the Septuagint, and I've been trying out the Göttingen Septuagint (67 vols.), I know a little bit of Gk, and have agreed with one person who lives in the capital of Finland, Helsinki, to buy the license for the Göttingen Septuagint from him used, he is asking $270 + the license transfer fee (and offers also the Brill Septuagint Studies Collection but I'm unsure about that one since I've heard it requires a bit of Hebrew knowledge of which I have none and am not going to acquire any).
My most expensive single pre-pub order is: Oxford History of the Christian Church (16 vols.). Second biggest is: T&T Clark Pauline Studies Collection (28 vols.).
I'm not particularly interested in base-package upgrades, but I hope Logos will make an Anabaptist or Mennonite base-package with recent titles or for example the Believer's Church Bible Commentary NT volumes (and perhaps select important OT volumes) which is Anabaptist/Mennonite if Logos's focus is on getting and competing with commentaries. Either with dynamic pricing or great coupon-code deals (25%). 15% off won't nudge me towards buying anything.
I'm not interested in the NIV11. I passed on it when it was briefly offered for free in L5. And if it's going to be included in all base-packages I'm not going to upgrade!! ;-(When it comes to resources, the only thing that disappoints me, is that the New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible looks like it's going to take many years to make it into production in Logos. I know it's expensive to produce and I'm very grateful for the very low pre-pub price, but I wish Logos could lower the production cost estimate on it just a little bit to push it! This Summer I've created a thread once pushing the NIDB.
Sometimes I have a bit of difficulties studying, so I need to really focus and do in-depth work, take classes in classrooms, and learn to use the softwares better (note plural, but mostly referring to Logos).
(When posting I reverse the order, putting my reply above the quote, following the (old?) email standard.)
I make notes and highlightings with no plan written in stone what to use them for in the future. I'm going to use Microsoft Office 2010 Starter if/when needed, too, I have it on one of my two computers (laptops). (On the other laptop, older but with SSD, I have just LibreOffice Writer.) I guess I'll be using my Nook HD 7" only for reading. Working as a pastor would be too much pressure I think. Studying to become a teacher in junior high would take years, would have to study pedagogics so I'm unsure about that as well:
Bob Pritchett said:When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
- Personal learning, insight, growth -- all internal.
- Personal notes (devotional or observations on reading).
- A sermon outline.
- An academic paper or article.
- A full-manuscript sermon.
- Teaching slides / outlines for Proclaim / PowerPoint / Keynote, etc.
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If you're preaching or teaching, do you put outlines right into presentation software? Email them to someone? Print them out? Do you look for any supplemental material online? What kind?
Have you ever embedded images / diagrams / screenshots from Logos into a presentation? Do you want more of this kind of media? Have you used media from a resource that comes with teaching media, like the Abraham character study or Runge's HD Commentary on Philippians?
Look for discounts on Logos books (I always for example look at the personalized offer emails but rarely click the link and have been greatly disappointed so far about what kinds of books are offered to me), discuss on a few forums (not many more than Christianforums.com and unorthodoxchristian.freeforums.net), work with Accordance 9 on PC-emulator (have version 10 license) where I have UBS Translator's Handbook NT, Comprehensive Crossref (it's a Bible with all manuscript family variants in the NT and cross-references to other literature in both the OT and NT) and New English Translation of the Septuagint. When the Windows native version of Accordance is released I'm going to work with it in parallel with Logos, the current emulator setup doesn't let You unless You fancy switching between them with Alt+Tab a lot. Then I will be letting Logos use about ⅓ of the monitor having just a Bible open and using Prioritize.Also: Discuss books with a (future) friend.
Currently I'm not purchasing more in Accordance (except perhaps UBS Handbook NT and version 11 Starter Collection for a future friend), instead I'm waiting for the release of NA29 (I don't have NA28 but know about the differences in the text compared to NA27), and meanwhile I have a Syntax module (that I bought at a sale) that can't be used until I have the Gk NT in Accordance:
Bob Pritchett said:What's the first thing (if anything) you do 'outside Logos' when you're done using Logos? (For example, one pastor told me it was searching the Internet for royalty-free images to add to his slides.)
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Bob Pritchett said:- A sermon outline.
I use Logos every week for my sermon preparation. With my Sermon Analysis layout I produce my initial notes as a Clippings file whose individual clippings I then Tag with my sermon headings. Then with my Sermon Synthesis layout, which includes my PB Quotations book, I prepare my sermon using a Mind-mapping program. A fair bit of editing of selected clippings, copying and pasting goes on with scriptural cross-references included using Copy Bible Verses in order to produce my mind-map outline for Sunday.
Bob Pritchett said:- An academic paper or article.
I used Libronix for my part-time PhD thesis at University of Aberdeen. Steve Runge's Discourse Analysis titles were invaluable, as was some personal advice from Steve himself. With its great search facilities (even in Libronix) Logos enabled me to complete my PhD on time within the strict time-constraints of working as a single-handed pastor with a large two-congregation parish (overall population over 6000). Without Logos I couldn't have done it – in fact I wouldn't have contemplated doing it.
I now use Logos 5 for post-doctoral work, doing research and preparing papers for personal use and, hopefully, for publication.
Bob Pritchett said:- A full-manuscript sermon.
I used Logos in this way from Logos 1.6 in the early 1990s through to 2006 from Libronix, when I switched to mind-mapping sermon outlines.
I would not like to be without Logos, though I have never used its multi-media offshoots, as we don't have video-projection facilities. Anyway, I preach and teach rather than present and lecture.
Thanks for Logos, Bob.
Every blessing
Alan
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I come to Logos usually on my phone or tablet first to read the passage. I also read my daily devotions there and a family devotion.
For study at church, I begin with Bible and notes. I make notes as I read and re-read a passage. Then I ask questions and try to search for answers in various places depending on the question ...
- language study usually begins with the ESV rev. int. and do I searches for the root/lemma etc. and then after that I consult dictionaries to test my conclusions
- for background on things like social or cultural I consult Bible background first and then dictionaries
- for interpretive questions I consult my favorite commentaries (NAC, Expositors, Word, NICOT/NT)
All throughout I record findings in notes attached to the Bible reference.
When it's time to begin to formulate my passage Big Idea (theme) I open Pages and begin to put together my preaching notes document with a working title, passage and then I paste the passage. I do a structural diagram (used to use logos for this but its too clunky) showing relationships of clauses and words to one another.
I write out my main idea in the form of a question - "What's the purpose of the church?" might be one. Then I look back through the passage and my notes to come up with the answer based on the text. If I'm struggling at this point I run a passage guide or sermon guide.
Once I have my outline, I go back and run the passage or sermon guide if I haven't already and get preaching ideas. I go to the internet to find relevant present day illustrations, videos, ideas from movies or TV and images to help me present the ideas of my main idea.
I have a final form of a Pages doc with and outline - no longer do full manuscripts. Then I put together a presentation in Proclaim for now with all the graphics, video clips (if any) and bible passages.
That's for sermons and mostly for Bible Study. If it is a Bible study I don't go as far with it letting the group provide much of the real world illustrations and applications through discussion.
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Bob,
Thanks for providing this request for input from Logos users. In reading the forums, Logos seems to be used primarily by "professionals" (pastors/professors, etc.) or students.
I am always encouraged to find users who are Sunday School or Bible Study teachers like me. Unlike many others, I do have the benefit of a degree in Biblical studies. My Greek is very rusty, so I don't rely on my knowledge, but I can benefit from some of the tools the professionals use.
I have taught a Sunday School class for 45 yrs. Logos enables me to accomplish many things that I would not be able to do otherwise. My teaching is through a book of the Bible, verse by verse.
I begin my preparation by copying the scripture text that I will be using into Word. As I read through the passage, I begin arranging the text to structurally show main thoughts and subordinate thoughts. I always go through the book that we are studying and identify the key terms or phrases and highlight them. When the modifications of the text is complete, I print it out so the class has the same passage analysis in front of them.
As I do my research in Logos, I modify my original organization of the text in light of additional insights gained. If I find significant information from a Logos resource, I excerpt it and share it with the class in a handout.
I may compile info into a chart and share that with the class. I occasionally print out the parallel translations for difficult passages for the class.
I spent 3 years teaching through the Gospel of Mark. Although I focused on the material in Mark's gospel, there were times that I would print out a passage in Harmony of the Gospels format. I would line them up phrase by phrase highlighting the differences. When we got to the passion week, I decided to finish the study using the harmony approach so we captured all the events in the finals days of Jesus.
I am currently teaching through the Pastoral Epistles. I am using Rick Brannan's Parallel Passages as my basic text. I have taught through the PE several times, but had never thought of doing it through all 3 books at once until I discovered his resource in Logos. It is a great way to cover that material.
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My three Logos outcomes:
- A full-manuscript sermon (written in MS Word)
- Academic paper (written in MS Word)
- Questions for a small group Bible study on a particular passage (written in Logos notes file)
I don't add visuals because I don't use slides.
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Hi, Kent! Follows my reply about the NIV11 and base-packages.
That's right, I don't want to encourage Logos if they are including such a Bible and I would be telling everyone not to get a base-package! Base-packages are the weakness of Logos. Those who make the decisions at Logos may think that they are making a profit on the base-package and thereby being able to lower prices on the rest of what is offered and that is how it should be, but honestly the base-packages could contain much newer works, less of dogmatic and systematic theology, and be more varied. It's strange how a base-package such as Silver which I have tested twice, has overlapping works such as for example Bible Exposition Commentary (which is NT only) by Wiersbe and Opening Up which seems to be by Baptists. It seems to me that it would have been more logical to include the entire OT BE-series in Silver instead of Opening Up - the total price could have been kept down too. Those together with NAC make Silver a quite Baptist base-package.
It's also peculiar how each base-packages Bronze and up contains everything from the lower base-packages. I understand that one reason for that is simplicity, but anyhow I think it's a drawback. The only exceptions being Biblical Languages and that the regular base-packages don't contain the Verbum books. Biblical Languages would be a fine option for me, except that I have Original Languages and I got LSJ really cheap in Logos in 2013.
An idea might also be a combined Evangelical/Reformed/Protestant/Roman-Catholic base-package. I find the step to Verbum Basic to be pretty steep. I used to have L4 Catholic Foundations and upgraded it to L5 Verbum Basic, but eventually gave it away. Needless to say the lowest Verbum base-package would have to develop a whole lot to appeal to me again - I'm very dissatisfied with the Early Church Fathers set in it I would rather not have it. I'm actually considering buying the Worship in the Early Church: An Anthology of Historical Sources even though it only contains snippets and is pretty expensive at the $99 pre-pub price locked for me, just because it has a fresh translation from the original languages (I have volume 1 as printed matter that's why I'm hesitating I'm unsure about paying that much to get the rest, having the first volume in Logos could be convenient though):Kent said:Unix, one resource would keep you from upgrading?
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I may be the odd one out here, but thought of sharing anyway.
I'm not a liturgist/cantor/deacon/pastor/priest/elder/minister/bishop/pope/etc... Not a Sunday school teacher/worship leader/youth minister/choir member/women's league member/knight of Columbus or even an altar boy. Not in any other specific ministry either... My profession is as secular as it can be.
But I happen to be a son of God who loves the church and the bible and wants to study it and read about it and about the church and saints and history and and... all for the sole purpose of personal edification.
Logos might be overkill for my purposes but I like it.
Therefore, no physical output from my use except perhaps an answer to an online thread or a comment on a blog.
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Thanks for asking Bob.
I use Logos for a variety of purposes. Here they are in order of frequency:
- Personal devotions and Bible reading daily
- Original language study to increase my knowledge of Scripture
- Preparation for teaching and preaching (Generally I have not used Logos a lot to imbed images and for presentation purposes but I may be interested in doing this in the future)
- Personal interest reading
Using adventure and community to challenge young people to continually say "yes" to God
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Bob Pritchett said:
When you use Logos, what's the 'work product' of your study?
Logos wiki and screen shot(s) for forum discussions. Thankful for Logos sharing of documents.
Posted => Suggestion: Parallel Bible Print-on-Demand since one output of Logos is printed screen shots.
Personal growth.
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