Plural Nouns with KAI Search

Is there a way - using a morphological search - to search for combinations [like ποιμένας καὶ διδασκάλους in Eph 4:11] of plural nouns which are separated only by καὶ.?

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George Somsel

I assume you are referring to nouns other than those you give. I also note that you say "separated only by καὶ" so I am allowing only cases where the words follow immediately upon one another. You said nothing about case so I am not controlling for that.

<@n??p BEFORE 1 WORD lemma:καὶ BEFORE 1 WORD @N??P>

Bill Fiess

6724.syntax search.docx

Here's the best I could figure out for myself [for a SYNTAX SEARCH]

Bill Fiess

Thanks, George.

But I got 0 results - and there should be at least Eph 4:11.

Bill

Don Awalt

If you want to try a Syntax Search, try this - be sure and match the dashed lines (Matching skips levels) and you may want to "Highlight term in results" for each box:

Bill Fiess

Thanks, George. It worked [for me] with parentheses [rather than <>]. I used (@N?P BEFORE 1 word lemma:καί BEFORE 1 word @N?P)

George Somsel

Thanks, George.

But I got 0 results - and there should be at least Eph 4:11.

Bill

Confucius say: Picture worth 1000 words

Bill Fiess

I guess you're right, George. I'm not sure why it didn't work for me in the first place. Thanks.

Bill Fiess

2541.MORPH vs SYNTAX SEARCH.docx

Thanks, Don. It worked very well.

I have attached the difference between the MORPH search and the SYNTAX search. It appears that the SYNTAX search covers more possibilities [for example where KAI is not "touching" the nouns [as in Matt 10:18]. However, I was surprised - when I made a passage list of the SYNTAX search - that it only contained 156 passages whereas the MORPH search has 167 passages. [I would have expected the opposite.]

However, as I understand it, both of these passage lists show that the so called Granville Sharp's Rule is not correct. For example, the very first two results [Matt 2:4 and Matt 3:7] produce a definite article before the first plural noun + kai + a second plural noun without an article - but neither passage refers to the same person [as his rule states]. Maybe you could help me on this if I am wrong.

Bill

Bill Fiess

0638.Two Searches.docx

George,

Here is a picture of my two searches [one with () and the other with <>]. They are both made in Byz. Maybe you can point out why one did not work - and the other did.

Bill

Bill Fiess

Don,

Here is a question about this SYNTAX search. Why do they call the KAI node TERMINAL NODE? It is in the MIDDLE of the phrase.

Bill