BDAG/BAGD confusion
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As a side note, several years ago I contacted Chicago Press about BAGD and they told me that they had no problem with Logos updating and retagging the old files. The reason I called them, I was hoping BAGD could be rebuilt and the tagging upgraded. Unfortunately I didn't realize Logos position on contacting a publisher directly as a customer, needless to say they were upset. So I haven't done anything like that since. But I would hope Logos would revist this issue in light of the retagging of older resouces that is now ongoing. I understand Logos desire to funnel development resources into something that they can sell. But I think this title deserves and exception considering its impact on scholarship in the books we have in our libraries
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Joe,
I now pastor a church, but before that I was teaching a adult Sunday school, and teaching several classes each semester in a local bible school. I was blessed at the time with a great job that allowed me to indulge in my varied biblical interests with book purchases. But as you may suppose the books I use day in and day out are probably the same as the ones you use.
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Just to throw out some reviews for those that have an interest in the BAGD vs BADG here are some links to some journal articles.
"Extended Definitions in the Third Edition of Bauer's Greek-English Lexicon," by Vern Poythress, JETS 45 (2002), 125-31 (re. the definitions in BDAG)
Poythress, Vern S. "How Have Inclusiveness and Tolerance Affected the Bauer-Danker Greek Lexicon of the New Testament (BDAG)?" JETS 46.4 (Dec. 2003): 577-88
RBL 10/2002 has four book reviews, I've copied part of the introduction to the four reviews, Malherbe's discussion on Danker's change the Jesus term "Son of Man" is very interesting.
"In what follows, one classicist and three NT exegetes offer assessments of BDAG. All four praise Danker’s considerable achievement, yet they offer trenchant criticism of various aspects of the work. Terry Roberts, a classicist at the University of Sydney, begins the assessment by examining BDAG from a strictly lexicographical perspective. He gives particular attention to one of the most distinguishing lexical features of BDAG, its use of both extended definitions (printed in bold roman) and formal equivalents (given in bold italics). In the process he also compares BDAG to both BAGD and BAAR as well as to other lexicons, especially the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domains by Johannes P. Louw and Eugene Nida (1988). His extensive treatment is followed by three shorter ones that address various lexical, exegetical, and hermeneutical issues, as well as questions relating to BDAG’s bibliographies and citation of various editions of ancient texts. Abraham J. Malherbe discusses inter alia how BDAG differs from BAGD in its treatment of terms having male and ethnic dimensions, and how the new lexicon treats an ecclesiastical term applied to women. Hans-Josef Klauck pays particular attention to BDAG’s treatment of terms that occur in non-canonical early Christian literature. Finally, Harold W. Attridge compares BDAG to BAGD in regard to
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Hey Fam,
I'll probably start another thread, but figured to drop my question on this page, too:
Can I still get the BAGD version? I looked, but no dice. Anybody know if I'm looking correctly? If not, please send a hyperlink so I can evaluate purchasing this work -- would be extremely helpful to a paper I'm writing.
Thanks and blessings,
in HIM
rs
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Ruben Sandoval said:
Can I still get the BAGD version?
If you're very lucky you might find a copy in a bargain bin in a Christian bookstore or on eBay. But I've been looking for five years, and have never found one!
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Bobby Terhune said:
Unfortunately I didn't realize Logos position on contacting a publisher directly as a customer, needless to say they were upset.
I cannot say that I knew there was an official position on this. From you post I can assume what that position is, but would you mind elaborating so I do not have to risk making wrong assumptions? Others may be interested as well. Thanks.
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I thought I had this resource BAGD- I will have to rummage through my floppy disk and CD's when I get back home to see if I missed reinstalling some files.
Side note- do not throw out your old disk or CD's- "you can lose resources" perfect example is Machen's Beginners Greek Grammar and the WIVU Trees.
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I found a Logos 2 Level 4 set on Ebay about two years ago that had it.
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BAGD seems to be from 1979, I assume it still has the copyright?
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A few years back I also found an old set of cds that had it. It was very expensive but I really wanted that lexicon. So it is possible to find just not easy and might be expensive.
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Here is a link to the 1975 edition that is online.
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Ah, but life was so much simpler in the good ole days when there was just BAG. Or maybe it was just me that so much simpler.
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Okay, it sounds like I'm the only guy that got mandatorily "upgraded," and lost the old version.
I bought Logos 2 in 1996 (Level 4), which included BAGD. Somewhere along the way, I was "upgraded" to BDAG, and my BAGD went away. Strangely, it sounds like others got to keep their older version.
Not a really big deal to me, but strange, as it sounds like many others have been able to keep their BAG.
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Al Het said:
Okay, it sounds like I'm the only guy that got mandatorily "upgraded," and lost the old version.
I bought Logos 2 in 1996 (Level 4), which included BAGD. Somewhere along the way, I was "upgraded" to BDAG, and my BAGD went away. Strangely, it sounds like others got to keep their older version.
Not a really big deal to me, but strange, as it sounds like many others have been able to keep their BAG.
I'm wondering if it may be due to the version that you had may not be compatible somehow with the Logos version you have now. Also, BAGD is referenced and linked to from some resources (I forgot which one). On a side note, it would be good if they bring that version back as they have with the ISBE, if for nothing more than for the links to work correctly.
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Al Het said:
I bought Logos 2 in 1996 (Level 4), which included BAGD. Somewhere along the way, I was "upgraded" to BDAG, and my BAGD went away. Strangely, it sounds like others got to keep their older version.
You might want to contact Customer Service about this.
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Todd Phillips said:
I can manually look up the page refs, so it's still nice to have.
If you prioritise it as one of your preferred lexicons, then it will always appear near the top of the list and you'd be able to do a quick lookup from the context menu, doing away with the need to do a two-step lookup using the page number.
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
I'm wondering if it may be due to the version that you had may not be compatible somehow with the Logos version you have now.
Not sure. I believe I lost it somewhere in the Libronix period.
Erwin Stull, Sr. said:On a side note, it would be good if they bring that version back as they have with the ISBE, if for nothing more than for the links to work correctly.
Makes sense.
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Bruce Dunning said:
You might want to contact Customer Service about this.
I might do that. I didn't realize until this thread that others had kept their old version.
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GregW said:Todd Phillips said:
I can manually look up the page refs, so it's still nice to have.
If you prioritise it as one of your preferred lexicons, then it will always appear near the top of the list and you'd be able to do a quick lookup from the context menu, doing away with the need to do a two-step lookup using the page number.
That is true for Greek lemma look-ups. But I was referring to the page number references that are usually used when BAGD is referenced in a footnote or other kind of note. If a book doesn't have those references tagged, then I have to type the page reference manually into the BADG window. (Not that I do this a lot.)
Example from Expositor's Bible Commentary, vol 8:
Note that there are 4 references there, but only 3 are tagged to a location. (The highlight on the "BADG" just expands the abbreviation)
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Mark Barnes said:
14,015 vs 5,429. With that number of links, I'd certainly be interested in buying the old version if (a) The publishers allowed it, and (b) Logos make those references to BAGD into hyperlinks.
60,891:10,645 for BAGD:BDAG ratio of nearly 6:1 (along with noting "old" Exegetical Summary resources lacking BAGD active page links).
Reviving thread started on 17 Dec 2009 since share interest in older BAGD resource after finding 60,861 BAGD references in 599 resources, which have a number of active page links that display "don't have a license" in Logos 6.11 Beta 5
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Mark Barnes said:
14,015 vs 5,429. With that number of links, I'd certainly be interested in buying the old version if (a) The publishers allowed it, and (b) Logos make those references to BAGD into hyperlinks.
60,891:10,645 for BAGD:BDAG ratio of nearly 6:1 (along with noting "old" Exegetical Summary resources lacking BAGD active page links).
Reviving thread started on 17 Dec 2009 since share interest in older BAGD resource after finding 60,861 BAGD references in 599 resources, which have a number of active page links that display "don't have a license" in Logos 6.11 Beta 5
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There are so many resources that reference the BAGD (and not BDAG), and it STILL would be good if Faithlife would bring that version back into availability.
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I don't think it's faithlife. A few years ago I was looking for this resource. It took me a while but did find it in an old logos 2 cd.
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Mark Barnes said:Ruben Sandoval said:
Can I still get the BAGD version?
If you're very lucky you might find a copy in a bargain bin in a Christian bookstore or on eBay. But I've been looking for five years, and have never found one!
:x I had an old version of L2 that had it, and I think I got a second license when I picked up an old L3 library (scholars series X).
I probably couldn't separate it without gutting my library though.
Point is, keep checking. the series X library cost me ~100$ as I recall.
BAGD:4868
BDAG:5796
Resource count: 15357
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I have 7,000 resources, but if I could only keep 25 of them, this would be in the list. I can access this resource instantly in my Greek or English Bibles. If you translate, then sell what you need to get this.
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Does anyone have the specific cd BAGD appears on and the book id? I have numerous old L2 and 3 cd's but have not been able to locate resource.
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I have come across it twice in this package. I sold this set not too long ago, and I still have the license from the previous purchase.
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I recall one user suggested long time ago that those with BDAG should get BAGD for free as a compliment. I guess the publisher did not warm up to that suggestion?
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Veli Voipio said:
I recall one user suggested long time ago that those with BDAG should get BAGD for free as a compliment. I guess the publisher did not warm up to that suggestion?
BDAG is an updated edition of BAGD with brand new material. There is no reason that the publisher should give away an updated or new edition.
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