Who was Joseph?
Wow! What do we really know?
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I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
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David Taylor Jr said:
I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
Speculation?
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Jack Caviness said:David Taylor Jr said:
I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
Speculation?
It must include lots but I'm intrigued to see.
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Bruce Dunning said:Jack Caviness said:David Taylor Jr said:
I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
Speculation?
It must include lots but I'm intrigued to see.
Yes, But not any time soon with bids as low as they are now.
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David Ames said:Bruce Dunning said:Jack Caviness said:David Taylor Jr said:
I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
Speculation?
It must include lots but I'm intrigued to see.
Yes, But not any time soon with bids as low as they are now.
Perhaps some extra promotion will be needed to convince people of the value.
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David Taylor Jr said:
I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
You could say mentioned in the New Testament only a handful of times.
There is apocryphal literature specifically about Joseph (e.g. History of Joseph the Carpenter), and he plays a large role in other apocryphal literature (e.g. Protevangelium of James, Infancy Gospel of Thomas).
[self promotion alert!] Editions of these last two in Greek and English are available here: http://www.logos.com/product/17854/greek-apocryphal-gospels-fragments-and-agrapha [end self-promotion alert!]
Not saying it is authoritative in any way, but there is abundant material out there to examine for works like the ones in this collection.
Rick Brannan
Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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Rick Brannan (Logos) said:David Taylor Jr said:
I'm amazed you can actually get so much information on someone who is mentioned only a handful of times.
You could say mentioned in the New Testament only a handful of times.
There is apocryphal literature specifically about Joseph (e.g. History of Joseph the Carpenter), and he plays a large role in other apocryphal literature (e.g. Protevangelium of James, Infancy Gospel of Thomas).
[self promotion alert!] Editions of these last two in Greek and English are available here: http://www.logos.com/product/17854/greek-apocryphal-gospels-fragments-and-agrapha [end self-promotion alert!]
Not saying it is authoritative in any way, but there is abundant material out there to examine for works like the ones in this collection.
Ok, now I am intrigued. I'll be honest I know very little about the Apocrypha since I don't subscribe to it as Canoninical.
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David Taylor Jr said:
I'll be honest I know very little about the Apocrypha since I don't subscribe to it as Canonical.
Hi David.
So, there is what Protestants term the "Apocrypha", most of which Catholic tradition would term "Deuterocanonical." This is the stuff that some call "inter-testamental" and that, in some Bibles, you'll find stuffed between the OT and the NT. Some also call it "Old Testament Apocrypha." Some also refer to it as literature of the "Second Temple" period, or "Second Temple Literature."
The stuff I'm referring to in my above post is post-NT, and is usually termed "New Testament Apocrypha". Nobody considers this material canonical. It is, however, fascinating for examining the developing traditions of the early church. Christians of that era were confused about some things (e.g. who was Joseph and where did he come from, the virgin birth of Jesus, what was Jesus like as a boy, what happened after the crucifixion but before the resurrection, etc.), much like we are. Some NT Apocryphal material is focused on trying to explain these things. No canonical basis for the stories, but interesting to see how they tried to answer, in some way, these real questions that we still run into today.
I see more humanity in the early church as a result of reading this stuff. I just get the sense that these were real people struggling to understand difficult issues, and that gives me some comfort as I struggle with trying to understand stuff too.
Rick Brannan
Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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I'm intrigued too - and in! [:D]
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Rick Brannan (Logos) said:
I see more humanity in the early church as a result of reading this stuff. I just get the sense that these were real people struggling to understand difficult issues, and that gives me some comfort as I struggle with trying to understand stuff too.
Good sales pitch. My bid is in.
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Rick Brannan (Logos) said:
So, there is what Protestants term the "Apocrypha", most of which Catholic tradition would term "Deuterocanonical.
And which the Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Churches, and Assyrian Church would call scriptural [:)]
Just wanting to let people know that there are large portions of the Church beyond the Romans who also do not dispute these texts. Sometimes we in the west completely forget there is anything Christian between the West Coast of the US and Rome.
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Although, technically you were correct Rick as the term "Catholic tradition" would include reference to the traditions of these Christians too.
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Thanks for the clarification, James. I didn't know exactly which term Orthodox use, so I went very general.
Rick Brannan
Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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Ok, I'm in.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden, have you been over to St Augustine?
I visited the Fountain of Youth there when I was about 7, and it made me younger than Milford Murray [:D]
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According to legend, Joseph also built a miraculous staircase in Loretto Chapel in New Mexico. If you're ever in that area, it's well worth the visit.
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elnwood said:
According to legend, Joseph also built a miraculous staircase in Loretto Chapel in New Mexico. If you're ever in that area, it's well worth the visit.
I've never heard of this staircase but it looks amazing. I would like to see it some day.
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Jack Caviness said:
Lynden, have you been over to St Augustine?
I visited the Fountain of Youth there when I was about 7, and it made me younger than Milford Murray
Aha! You really ARE older than I! I knew it! *smile*
Psalm 29:11
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:Jack Caviness said:
Lynden, have you been over to St Augustine?
I visited the Fountain of Youth there when I was about 7, and it made me younger than Milford Murray
Aha! You really ARE older than I! I knew it! *smile*
Not after that dip in Juan Ponce de Leon's pool in '43 [:D] Correction to my previous post—I was only 6.
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Correction, Jack! That's the year you turned 8! *smile*
Remember, it was the year with the new pennies, eh??? It was wartime and the pennies were steel, covered with zinc!
Addendum:
The 1943 steel penny obverse - these pennies were made of steel to save copper for the war effort..
Question: How Much is a 1943 Penny Worth?
When people find a silver colored 1943 penny, they are often surprised, thinking they have found a great rarity, since all U.S. pennies are copper. Aren't they?
Answer: The 1943 silver colored penny is a wartime issue made of steel, and coated with zinc. During World War II, copper was so badly needed for the war effort (to make shell casings) that the U.S. penny was made out of steel that year, which is why most 1943 pennies are silver colored. They are worth about 12 to 15 cents each in circulated condition, and as much as 50 cents or more if uncirculated.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Correction, Jack! That's the year you turned 8! *smile*
In actually, I need another minor correction: It was '44, and I was 7. We had traveled to St Augustine to see my father who was stationed at Camp Blanding in preparation for deployment to the Pacific theatre.
Milford Charles Murray said:It was wartime and the pennies were steel, covered with zinc!
If memory serves, one mint did turn out a few copper pennies that year—at least, that was the rumor and the thing people kept trying to find.
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Rick Brannan (Logos) said:David Taylor Jr said:
I'll be honest I know very little about the Apocrypha since I don't subscribe to it as Canonical.
Hi David.
So, there is what Protestants term the "Apocrypha", most of which Catholic tradition would term "Deuterocanonical." This is the stuff that some call "inter-testamental" and that, in some Bibles, you'll find stuffed between the OT and the NT. Some also call it "Old Testament Apocrypha." Some also refer to it as literature of the "Second Temple" period, or "Second Temple Literature."
The stuff I'm referring to in my above post is post-NT, and is usually termed "New Testament Apocrypha". Nobody considers this material canonical. It is, however, fascinating for examining the developing traditions of the early church. Christians of that era were confused about some things (e.g. who was Joseph and where did he come from, the virgin birth of Jesus, what was Jesus like as a boy, what happened after the crucifixion but before the resurrection, etc.), much like we are. Some NT Apocryphal material is focused on trying to explain these things. No canonical basis for the stories, but interesting to see how they tried to answer, in some way, these real questions that we still run into today.
I see more humanity in the early church as a result of reading this stuff. I just get the sense that these were real people struggling to understand difficult issues, and that gives me some comfort as I struggle with trying to understand stuff too.
Good to know, I wasn't aware of that! Learn something new every day!
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