"We love you already, so does Jesus" is this gramatically correct??

Gabriel

it doesnt sound right.. how can i phrase this..it has to have the "we love you already" at the beginning though

the context is from romans 5:8 "but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

thank you so much before

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Ray from Faithlife

Hi Gabriel. Welcome to the forums. I'm a writer working at Logos, and I called one of our editors over to consult on your question. We have 2 solutions for you.

We love you already—so does Jesus.
We love you already; so does Jesus.

I like semicolons, but many people in the office are fans of the em-dash. Both are grammatically correct, so pick the one you like the best.

Joseph Turner

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I'm with Ray. I teach English, and I would prefer the semicolon.

JT (alabama24)

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I'm with Ray. I teach English, and I would prefer the semicolon.

I agree IF it is in copy. If it is used some other typographical way, I prefer the em dash.

DAL

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Or, or..."We love you already and so does Jesus!" Insert a pause before the "and so does Jesus" or "so does Jesus" or find some other way to articulate it for a more memorable statement. Wait...I guess if you're actually saying it, it doesn't matter how you write it...or does it? Oh well, English is my second language, so I'll leave the "grammar" to the native speakers for both the written and oral part of it. [8-|]

DAL

Bruce Dunning

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The em-dash seems to be used a lot more than in the past. I don't mind it either way.

David Paul

Another English teacher chiming in. (Oops, I ended with a preposition! Someone call the Grammar Police on me!) Actually, in spite of what your English teacher taught you, there is no valid across-the-board rule or reason against ending with a preposition, but that's a different topic.

Okay, both of the suggestions offered above are acceptable; however, it isn't simply a matter of personal preference as to which you decide to use. The semi-colon is typically used when emphasizing logically flow. The two clauses could stand on their own, but because there is a causal link (or other connection) from first to second, they are linked with the semi-colon. The em-dash is used for a different reason; it is for flopping an idea down on the table in dramatic fashion.

For instance:

"I was walking through the desert; I came across this." You display something that causes the other person to say, "Hmm, interesting."

vs.

"I was walking through the desert--I came across this." You drop a partially decomposed head on the table next to his dinner, and he turns the table over as he knocks his chair back and practically trips across it in haste to get away from that "thing".

So the choice is between cool reason (the semi-colon) and emphatic flair (the em-dash). Also, the semi-colon requires both parts to be complete clauses on their own--not so the em-dash.

The key to punctuation is that it is there to serve your purpose--it is your employee. You are trying to elicit a response in those who read your text. Of course, you have to understand how each tool works; if you do, your chances for successful communication are greatly increased.

P.S. There is another use for the em-dash--the double em-dash--which I didn't address. It is used in similar fashion to parentheses (those things that look like this), but the double em-dash is used when the aside is a necessary part of the statement, whereas the parenthesis typically involves information which is pertinent but supplementary.

I imagine you already figured it out, but I tried to include examples above of how to use each mark. As always, these uses may be tweaked as needed as long as their purposes and uses are understood. As better literature teachers will say, once you have mastered the rules, you might then successfully break them, given sufficient skill and acumen.

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Gabriel

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Wow thank you so much guys!!! Legends!!

oh and i decided to go with the semicolons, after 20 minutes of struggle...

thank you all again!!

Milford Charles Murray

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Wow thank you so much guys!!! Legends!!

oh and i decided to go with the semicolons, after 20 minutes of struggle...

thank you all again!!

Peace, Gabriel! *smile* and Every Blessing!

My problem with the phrase is that it sounds Yiddish, already.... or.. at least it can be "perceived" as a Yiddishism I know not everyone would have that perception; however, frankly, I do. I love the Bible Passage! Romans 5:8 Yes! Yes to God's Yes! *smile*

I agree with the Theology! *smile* It's just my English Language Cultural background that's the problem ...

My problem is NOT the grammar of the phrase ... it's the "culture" of the phrase ......

Just to try to communicate a bit more what I mean ... here is an older article in the New York Times by William Safire ..

The URL is: http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/25/magazine/on-language-enough-already-what-am-i-chopped-liver.html

On Language; Enough Already! What Am I, Chopped Liver?

By William Safire Published: October 25, 1998

'What red-blooded American hasn't surveyed the muck and mire of our national politics,'' writes Mark Jurkowitz of The Boston Globe, ''and said, 'Enough, already'?''

''Time magazine reports that Clinton's woes have left U.S. foreign policy adrift,'' writes The Guardian of London, ''though Garrison Keillor says, 'Enough already!' ''

Howard Fineman of Newsweek asks, ''Is there any way out of this mess?'' leading to an inch-high, 102-point, block-letter headline: ''enough already.''

The stylistic issue raised is: Should there be a comma between the first and second words of this increasingly important phrase? The publication that pioneered in its popularization is The Toronto Globe and Mail; of the 19,000 entries in the Dow Jones database, the first 22 uses (from 1977 to 1983) were in that newspaper. According to Warren Clements, style editor, ''We abandoned the comma in 1979 because enough already was considered one of those expressions that is almost one word. It rips rollingly off the tongue; the comma would slow it down.'' Adds Michael Kesterton of that newspaper, ''I know it's a Yiddishism, but it just fits the Canadian soul -- you know, 'I've had it and I'm not gonna take it anymore.' ''

The origin is the Yiddish genug shoyn, literally ''enough already.'' It is part of an array of phrases using shoyn for emphasis, from the similar gut shoyn, ''All right already!'' in the sense of ''Stop bugging me,'' to shvayg shtil shoyn, ''Shut up already!'' one calibration more irritated than genug shoyn.

''This use of already began to appear early in the century,'' says Sol Steinmetz, the lexicographer who has taken the place of the late Leo Rosten as my primary Yiddish adviser, ''among immigrant Yiddish speakers living in New York who were just starting to talk English. By the 1930's it had become common usage among their children who no longer spoke Yiddish -- a development that enabled it to entrench itself in the American language.''

Another scholar, Lillian Feinsilver, in her ''Taste of Yiddish'' (1970), notes that ''English would normally use the mild now, as in 'Come, now,' or the stronger 'Come on, now.' ''

Now is an adverb of time that can be used as an admonition before a statement (''Now, I want you to listen to this. . . ''). Similarly, already and yet are adverbs of time that can be used to intensify a statement when used at the end. (''Were you bitten by a mad dog?'' ''And the dog is mad, yet.'') Thus, already -- in Standard English, ''beforehand; by this time'' -- can be used in this idiomatic sense to mean ''without further ado'' or ''and you'd better believe it.''

We have seen how this Yiddishism has been thoroughly assimilated and is now an Americanism. Because other American English expressions have been adopted in many other languages -- O.K. and no problem are examples -- does this mean that this particular emphasis of exasperation is taking root elsewhere?

Some evidence exists that it does. Here is a letter to The Washington Post from Robert Hill, an American working in a large Saudi hospital in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: ''The overwhelming -- by 9 to 1 -- response to the Clinton affair varies among 'What is the very big deal?' to 'What about the problems in the rest of the world?' to 'Enough already!' ''

When a Yiddishism takes root in Riyadh, that's saying something. Have we exhausted this subject? The reader may now vent exasperation at a surfeit of data by expostulating the very phrase being so minutely examined.

WHAT AM I?

On Language; Enough Already! What Am I, Chopped Liver?

Published: October 25, 1998

(Page 2 of 2)

At a chic Washington cocktail party, Elizabeth Drew, author of ''Whatever It Takes: The Real Struggle for Political Power in America,'' accepted an hors d'oeuvre of chopped liver smeared on a cracker and asked: ''Chopped liver is delicious. Why do people derogate it so? As in the expression, 'What am I, chopped liver?' ''

The earliest use of this phrase in its derogatory sense -- that is, ''something trivial; something to be scoffed at'' -- in the Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang is by Jimmy Durante on his 1954 CBS-TV show: ''Now that ain't chopped liver.''

In a 1980 monologue about the Reagan-Carter Presidential debate, Johnny Carson noted Ronald Reagan's statement that if all the unemployed were lined up, they would stretch from New York to Los Angeles. ''He came up with another one today,'' said Carson. ''If everyone on welfare were chopped liver, you could spread them on a line of Ritz crackers from here to Bulgaria.'' A decade later, the actor-producer Michael Douglas applied the phrase to himself, complaining about his secondary role in a movie: ''That hurt me in the industry as an actor, and it ticked me off. I thought, What was I -- chopped liver or something?''