i dont want my 2 systems to sync !

shane blyth

I have 2 systems and I find they sync so when i open one it syncs to the last one.

Is there a way to NOT get auto sync between these systems? or maybe just sync certain things?

I dont want to lose updates but is this all part of the login system?

Any help or a way to get around this would be appreciated

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J.R. Miller

Why do you want to prevent them from syncing?

shane blyth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59236#Comment_59236

I use one system for different studies.

One at home so it is personal study

One at work (church) so I will be doing different studies

Surely this is quite comment wanting several studies/layouts running

I just do it on several systems

Terry Poperszky

Sync is all or nothing. If you turn the "Use internet on" then they sync. If you turn it off, then they don't update. At this time, there is no granularity to the sync either. I understand that you use the systems for different types of studies, in which case you will just have to build your studies around the layouts, creating different layouts for the different types of studies.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59239#Comment_59239

Surely this is quite comment wanting several studies/layouts running

I just do it on several systems

I asked for something similar earlier this week. My desire was to hide different resources on two different systems - one a full featured laptop that I will use for study, the other is a small netbook that I want to use for reading. I will want reference works on the laptop and books designed for reading and personal growth on the netbook.

However, with the two systems constantly syncing, I cannot have a separate set of books on the two systems. I concur with your request and would like some way to control the behavior as systems sync between each other.

Blessings,

Floyd

shane blyth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59247#Comment_59247

we need the freedom to make our own minds up and not be forced into one way and one way only.

We should have options in syncing.

which resources would suit some as suggested a netbook user has little space and may say i only want a basic set of resources

which parts of the system sync such as which books are displayed (maybe we can just choose which layouts are loaded like workspaces on a system and which reading plans sync (mind u we can have multiple plans)

Matt Barker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59264#Comment_59264

While I don't care about my systems synching, it only makes sense that the option should be available to the user. Something that will allow updates to the core, but prevent synching - while also allowing the disk space conscious the ability to prevent certain books from downloading to specified systems.

On the flip side of that, I think it's awesome that Logos even allows me to run the program on multiple systems without having to pay for multiple copies.

Mathew Haferkamp

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59272#Comment_59272

Something along those lines has set myself to wondering, it would be nice to be able to not have my personal notes not stored at LOGOS. Because if I understand this correctly, if your computer would be completely destroyed and you bought a new one they can down load everything into your new one that was in the old one, including all of your notes and clippings and so forth.

Donovan R. Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59272#Comment_59272

While I don't care about my systems synching, it only makes sense that the option should be available to the user. Something that will allow updates to the core, but prevent synching - while also allowing the disk space conscious the ability to prevent certain books from downloading to specified systems.

Interesting ideas. At the very least, being able to switch on and off syncing certain categories of information should be possible. We're starting to get into power user type options and with the development work that needs to be done in 2010 to finish off missing features, I don't expect we would see this very soon.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59302#Comment_59302

I think everyone should also keep in mind that giving everyone the ability to use one ID for multiple settings that don't sync, those who are willing to violate the ULA (User License Agreement) and effectively someone could install L4 on multiple systems for many different users. I am sure that is no one here, but we know that software piracy of Logos is a problem.

From the perspective of the publishers, if Logos is unable to demonstrate some ability to control theft, they simply wont give Logos the permission to publish their works. Therefore, some limitations on how much we control must be used to keep the resources coming from publishers.

I know... I know.. I can hear the groans. But lest we forget, we live in a broken world and as long as theft exists, businesses that want to survive have to put in safeguards.

IMHO, it is inconvenient, but a reasonable safeguard. Again, just my opinion.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59272#Comment_59272

On the flip side of that, I think it's awesome that Logos even allows me to run the program on multiple systems without having to pay for multiple copies.

[Y][Y] Sometimes we do forget the blessings.. PLUS, many of our books are now available on portable devices AND on any web browser using library.logos.com. That is a great deal!

shane blyth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59326#Comment_59326

I think everyone should also keep in mind that giving everyone the ability to use one ID for multiple settings that don't sync, those who are willing to violate the ULA (User License Agreement) and effectively someone could install L4 on multiple systems for many different users. I am sure that is no one here, but we know that software piracy of Logos is a problem.

IMHO, it is inconvenient, but a reasonable safeguard. Again, just my opinion.

The thing is that that is absolutely no safe guard against piracy. I mean how could you even think that that would stop piracy.

I am sure that we cant login on 100 computers with the same ID . Maybe not even 2. Syncing has nothing todo with piracy prevention. I was never suggesting we could login in on more than 1 cpmuter at the same time anyway.

If they want to prevent piracy they need serials that are locked down or something like that. Its a completely different subject and frankly a bit insulting to bring up. I would hope that we are all above that here.

Logos gives away the iPhone app which requires a login and anyone can use that as it is 100% free.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59342#Comment_59342

If they want to prevent piracy they need serials that are locked down or something like that. Its a completely different subject and frankly a bit insulting to bring up. I would hope that we are all above that here.

Shane,

Don't be insulted brother...theft is real and it's been discussed here on the forum with the participation of the president of Logos...Bob Pritchett.

I'm not saying it's relevant here...but it is a concern.

For myself; I'm glad we can use as many computers as we want with Logos...I applaud them for their attitude on this. While I WISH there were a way to "not sync" some things...I'll abide by whatever they decide. For the moment; I have my main laptop set to use internet and my alternate laptop to "not use internet"

Jack Caviness

I have 2 systems and I find they sync so when i open one it syncs to the last one.

Is there a way to NOT get auto sync between these systems? or maybe just sync certain things?

Frankly, I don't see your problem. Layouts would accomplish this with little difficulty.

If every user could have their own set of synch options, the application would become horribly complicated.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59342#Comment_59342

The thing is that that is absolutely no safe guard against piracy. I mean how could you even think that that would stop piracy.

There is no safeguard against someone stealing, but I still lock my doors at night.

I am sure that we cant login on 100 computers with the same ID

Actually you can, it is part of the ULA.

Syncing has nothing todo with piracy prevention

How do you know that? I am of the opinion that is a passive preventative that keeps people from giving copies to their kids or other family members. If we can't stop others from seeing our notes or deleting our content, then there is less chance someone will be tempted to violate the ULA.

s a completely different subject and frankly a bit insulting to bring up

No reason to be insulted if your not trying to break the ULA. I am simply offering another perspective on why Logos may not want to consider the option you are asking for. It is regrettable that seeing things from another perspective is offensive to you.

I would hope that we are all above that here.

Since all of us are sinful, none of us is "above" it. As a wise man once said, "locks only keep out honest people"

Bob Pritchett

It's possible we'll add support for this in the future, but it's not high on our priority list. It introduces a large amount of complexity to the user interface as well as the potential for lots of problems.

We'd have to expose some level of UI for what to sync and what not to sync. Just choosing the granularity would be hard. All notes not syncing? What if you want just one file to sync?

What if you have all note syncing off, then create two files named "Study Notes", then decide to turn syncing on in the future? Do we merge? Duplicate? What if one user would expect one behavior and another the other?

These are all solvable problems, but each solution requires lots of scenario anticipation, testing, and user interface. And then someone is sure to forget / want something other than the default / etc. and call customer service expecting them to unravel it all.

I'm open on suggestions for easy UI for this, but I just wanted to put out the philosophy of why we're generally avoiding this kind of customization -- or at least choosing the simple version. (Turn off Internet use on the Netbook Logos install.)

-- Bob

PS This reminds me of a story...

After an accidental "Reply All" to the whole company, an employee posted a dozen-screenshot tutorial on how to add a custom button to Microsoft Outlook (that uses VB Script) and lets you mark an email message as "No Reply All Allowed", which would then cause the recipient's Outlook client to disable the Reply All button for just this message.

Wow...I had no idea you could customize Outlook like that. Impressive, and possibly useful as a feature set across all machines in an 5,000 person corporate environment. But how many calls to IT from people who want to know why the Reply All button is only disabled sometimes, and how many accidental reply alls anyway from people using their iPhone, which doesn't respect the setting, and how many users just send a message out, not bothering to specify "this message" as a no-reply all?

Matt Barker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59605#Comment_59605

For me, it's not about my notes synching - I like that. What I think would be nice would be to have a download button next to each book listed in your library, select boxes (download selected books), download all... You get the idea. That way you get to choose what you actually want in your library on that computer. Just a thought...

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59623#Comment_59623

What I think would be nice would be to have a download button next to each book listed in your library

Wow! 2,500 separate download buttons. Somehow I don't think I would like that. [8-|]

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59650#Comment_59650

It does not need to be that bad. We create collections by pulling over one book from a series and we are given the chance to either put the one book in the collection or the whole series. On the other hand. if we want to hide a series, we need to drag each separate book into the "hidden resources" list. I don't hear you complaining about these options - why should it be any different with the syncing options. In fact, programmers will not add the button to each resource - they put the resources into a loop that adds the button to each listing. And, if you don't want to be bothered with choosing, just ignore the button. Heck, make it a field in associated with each resource and when you list your library, just don't display that field.

All we are asking for is the option to choose how we use our libraries.

Blessings,

Floyd

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59659#Comment_59659

Floyd

I did not set out to irritate you, but from the tone of your post I must have. I am not complaining about anything, and I don't know where you got that impression. I merely pointed out the difficulty a user would have with such a system. Unless you want to select just a few resources to synch (or not synch), the user will have a lot of buttons to click, even if it is set up by collections.

Matt Barker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59650#Comment_59650

Wow! 2,500 separate download buttons. Somehow I don't think I would like that.

I hear what you're saying, but somehow I don't think you're going to be the one doing that (hence, an option to download all). Really, it would be for those folks that are working with Netbooks or worried about bandwidth and want to prioritize their downloads. Not saying my suggestion was the best one (considering the sizes of some of your libraries), but at least some sort of option for what to download to what computer would be good. I would imagine something along the lines of installing Office on a Windows machine - you can click a box that selects everything, or you can drill down and select groups of items to install, leaving other options uninstalled (or a linux install where you have all those packages to choose from at install time - you get the idea). Now I'm just starting to ramble... [;)]

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59669#Comment_59669

I did not set out to irritate you, but from the tone of your post I must have. I am not complaining about anything, and I don't know where you got that impression. I merely pointed out the difficulty a user would have with such a system. Unless you want to select just a few resources to synch (or not synch), the user will have a lot of buttons to click, even if it is set up by collections.

Jack:

I did not intend t communicate that I was irritated. Am not, was not.

I am sorry that is what I communicated. I merely intended to point out that we already deal with the level of complexity (in hiding resources and setting up collections) that you mentioned in your note. And then continued to brainstorm as I typed. I am truely ...

Yours because His,

Floyd

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59690#Comment_59690

It might be helpful if this discussion could be moved from the Mac forum. It has moved onto a more general discussion and could benefit from the input of a wider audience.

Blessings,

Floyd

shane blyth

I started this thread and you have all put some interesting spins on it which is great.

I think if I was going to start this thread again I would of titled it a little different and refined my question a bit more.

I now understand alot more would probably approach what I originally was asking for differently. Ignorance is not bless aas they say

For example I had no idea that we could login and download to multiple computers I assumed that it was locked to one login at a time which would suit me fine.

I was not aware of the layout mode being possibly like multiple workspaces rather than just the way the panes (not the contents of) where laid out and I may have this wrong.

Someone came up with the point about Netbooks and limited space hence why they would like an option to download selected books and resources which wasnt what I was thinking of and this is a different yet very relative topic than I had breached.

So back to my original goal I see it now more as the ability even on the SAME computer to have multiple workspaces I can choose to load at startup which I would use for mulitple layouts/studies and these various workspaces could be read independent of each other. Thats more what I was needing.

At a particular point of time this might look like this for me:

Workspace one: KJV Bible and NIV open and a couple of commentaries. This day they would be linked to each other in this workspace only and set to say Genesis chapter 50. I could read 2 chapters that day and if loaded later it would load to what I was reading last in this work space only (worskspace indepenence in other words.)

Workspace two: Amplified Bible open with treasury of scripture knowledge a commentary and the Information pane set to link and currently at Matthew 1

These 2 workspace would be independant so that I could read to chapter 5 on workspace 2 and it would stay independant of workspace 1 which that day i never read.

I am not sure if this is possible as I am new and only used the Mac alpha.

maybe this is in the Windows version yet not implemented yet in the Mac version (or I just have not noticed this.)

Keep the rest of the discussions going please as it is all good.

Thanks

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59690#Comment_59690

I did not intend t communicate that I was irritated. Am not, was not.

Perhaps I am just too sensitive. [8-|]

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59695#Comment_59695

I am not sure if this is possible as I am new and only used the Mac alpha.

maybe this is in the Windows version yet not implemented yet in the Mac version (or I just have not noticed this.)

Shane

I did not notice at first that this was posted in the Mac Forum. I should have, since that is where I started from, but senility set in, and I forgot where I was [:D]

Layouts can accomplish everything you described—in the Windows version. We do have Layouts in the Mac version now, but they are somewhat limited. The Mac version is very much a work in progress, but the programmers are making good progress.

BTW. This will work even if one computer is running Windows and the other is a Mac. Right now, you can create/modify a Layout on Window and use it on the Mac. Joe Miller is using the Mac Alpha much more than I am, and he can probably give you better information on this subject.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59693#Comment_59693

It might be helpful if this discussion could be moved from the Mac forum. It has moved onto a more general discussion and could benefit from the input of a wider audience.

I think you might get a lot of support over there on the selectable download option, especially from those with limited/expensive internet connections. I just think it needs a less complicated selection process, but I don't know what it would be.

Something similar has been requested in the Logos 4 Forum, more than once.

shane blyth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59699#Comment_59699

Shane

I did not notice at first that this was posted in the Mac Forum. I should have, since that is where I started from, but senility set in, and I forgot where I was

Layouts can accomplish everything you described—in the Windows version. We do have Layouts in the Mac version now, but they are somewhat limited. The Mac version is very much a work in progress, but the programmers are making good progress.

BTW. This will work even if one computer is running Windows and the other is a Mac. Right now, you can create/modify a Layout on Window and use it on the Mac. Joe Miller is using the Mac Alpha much more than I am, and he can probably give you better information on this subject.

Awesome thanks very much.

I feel it has all worked out well in the end as it has stimulated some interesting ideas and comments from many people and helped me to clarify in my own mind what is needed.

Thanks very much [:D]

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/59693#Comment_59693

It might be helpful if this discussion could be moved from the Mac forum. It has moved onto a more general discussion and could benefit from the input of a wider audience.

Blessings,

Floyd

The Suggestions forum is also a good place to post these ideas.

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