Exposition of Prayer? For me this is a big dud. It's just as well. No money.
Ditto ... I was selfishly looking for something that might push me over the edge .... this isn't it!
I don't mean to be critical but I was also hoping for something a bit better for the final day...I even let day 11 pass by thinking day 12 would be something worth the wait!
Sometimes I just don't understand Logos. Thousands of people credit card in hand ready to spend big bucks and pluuuuuuuuuuh [^o)]
Wow, I thought it was just me. All of the specials that were of interest to me (i.e. WBC, Anchor, New Testament use of the Old Testament) were already in my Logos or physical library. Words cannot express how quickly my excitement regarding the Christmas Specials dissipated. As each day passed, I just kept thinking, "There will be something for me tomorrow, " but now that the 12 days have passed, I realize that isn't the case. I would have even been thrilled with the opportunity to get some type of "special" discount on the Proctor Logos 4 Manuals so I can learn how to use the software at a deeper level than what is provided in the free videos.
Please forgive my very negative tone. We're snowed in today in Delaware and the Governor declared a State of Emergency. So, there are no church services today. The Sunday before Christmas is always so special for me and our church service is a major part of my excitement. Being from Michigan, I'm use to the snow so I've never experienced the cancellation of a service. So, I was looking for a Christmas Special from Logos that could make me smile on this cold, snowy morning. I'm just bummed.
Have a blessed Christmas!
Okay, was somebody praying for this resource? [:P]
Hhmm... I was kind of excited when I saw this, but now I wonder. Are the negative comments because you own it and don't like it, or are you "just not interested?"
I too was a little disappointed in the Christmas specials, but not because of Logos' choices. I think they did a great job on what they selected and they were great deals. I just own the Bible Study Library, but I have made a lot of additional purchases and I own six of the twelve that were offered. That's not their fault, so I'm not griping. I really wanted the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary, but couldn't cough up the cash right now. That really bums me.
Anyway, thanks Logos for some great deals. You did good!
On one hand I was disappointed too, but on the other hand aren't we blessed to have so many resources that these deals did not appeal to us.
I have over 3000 resources, when I look back over time I am reminded at what a great blessing that really is, and how many believers in the past were happy to just have a copy of the scriptures.
I just hope that all of our blessings do not get in the way, of our relationship with Christ! And yet, I admit, I am egarly looking forward to more resources to further round out the library that God has blessed me with!
Your brother in Christ,
Jim
Well everybody,
[A] There are 17 more hours on this special. I think we all ought to go PRAY about it.
Please ignore the naysayers, this is an excellent work on prayer. There is a great summary from 2 years ago on the blog:
The Lifework of Dr. Jim Rosscup
Please ignore the naysayers, this is an excellent work on prayer. There is a great summary from 2 years ago on the bolg:
I was thinking about purchasing this one. If there is one area that is killing the church today and holding back revival its our weak prayer life. I love the idea of coming to a prayer in the Bible and knowing I have an exhaustive commentary on that prayer. Do you own this title? Could you give a word on its strengths and weaknesses?
I purchased The Exposition of Prayer on prepub. I have found it very very useful (and heart shepherding) in some areas of the Bible and mediocre in others. Nevertheless, I am very happy with the purchase. And, knowing what I know now after more than a year (maybe 2?) of reading it, I would definitely buy it again.
I know some people (who went to Master's Seminary) who know Rosscup (He has taught the class on prayer there for years). The unanimous sentiment from them is that he is the man they know who prays the most. I want to learn what the BIble says about prayer from a man who knows God in prayer. The resource is an expositional commentary on all of the passages in Scripture that remotely are connected with prayer. And I find that he does a good job of sticking with the text, diligently restraining his statements to what the text actually means, but all of this is well informed by his personal experience with prayer.
So if you are considering buying it, know that this is a good discount on the resource. I'd recommend, if you have the resources, that you go for it. If you find that it isn't what you expected or you are dissatisfied, Logos will give you a refund (I believe that there is a 30-day window on this).
Thanks, Jacob. This was helpful to me.
I'm sure it's a fine book and all but the disappointment is that we were hoping for a 'boffo' offer like the Yale Anchor Bible commentary set for $199.00.
Well...I bought this resource on PrePub for $79.95. Yeah! Logos!!! [:D] But back to this resource...Although I haven't used it in the past year, it's a good resource because it has revolutionized the way I define and hence approach prayer. The 5 volume resource basically handles all scripture as prayers and present them as such...At least that's what I got from them. So now, as a result, prayer for me is ANY communication where God is mentioned (conventional closing of eyes and folding of hands), thought about...pondered and treasured about (like Mary)....even grips, and expression of anger are prayers (David in the Psalms)...But the key is not so much to "include" God into our lives as the goal is to enter into His. To include God into our lives is noble, but to enter into His world...Aaah!...That's a horse of different color!...From the Wizard of Oz. (Do you want Obama to hang out with you...where you live? OR, do you want to hang out with Obama and enter into where he lives? Whether or not you like Obama, I bet you wouldn't mind tagging along with him for a week or a day just to see what goes on! That feeling should be the same way with God.)
So long as God is included in any thought, it qualifies as a prayer. A Baptist Congregational Meeting or Board Meeting as heated as it can be--is a prayer...so long as God is acknowledged and even if He is not acknowledged...that's a prayer too...And that's why we must be careful in ALL we say (or post [+o(]...please don't admonish me...I'm just a pup in Christ...[:(]) and how we act and react...because we are actually praying ill or good when we do. For our "prayers"--including lack of prayers, we will be held accountable.
The reason I haven't opened and read this 5 volume collection in quite a while--along with every new purchase I buy--is because I'm constantly distracted and pulled away by the latest and greatest shiny new Logos "toy" I've purchased on PrePub, Upgrades, Deal of the Day, Library Builder, AND a la cart downloads when I can't get a deal even! I haven't finished reading all of NAC or put a dent in my "Gold" Library (at the time I got NAC). So why have I bought WBC, BST, ITC, Boice, Interpretation, Pradis EBC-NIVAC-NT/OT Prophet and Scholar's Library, Life Application, Preacher's, Lange, all JPS stuff, Ariel's, Answering Jewish Objections, NICOT/NT, Pulpit..I didn't own a base package at that time because it was "too expensive"? Even though some of you have talked me out of the Portfolio upgrade, I STILL WANT IT!!! AND ANCHOR BIBLE TOO!!!
Logos Anonymous anyone? [;)]
Incidentally, I just put in an order for a new computer to run all this more efficiently. Hopefully I'll have up and running by tomorrow, a brand-spanking new computer with 2.8 Ghz quad core CPU, 8 GB RAM, 1 GB video RAM, and 750 GB hard drive indexing my Platinum Library in about...2 secs. [8o|]
I'm just glad that the items I would want were things that I already have -- I saved money that way. I have far too many things on prepub to be spending now.
I have a ton of resources, both in Logos and in print, on prayer which is why this resource wasn't something that I was particularly interested in at this time. My disappointment certainly had nothing to do with this particular offering, I'm sure it's great. My heart was really set on the Anchor Yale Bible Commentary; however, it is indeed great to sit back and think about all of the resources I have at my disposal and it is indeed a blessing.
I just hope that all of our blessings do not get in the way, of our relationship with Christ! And yet, I admit, I am egarly looking forward to more resources to further round out the library that God has blessed me with! Your brother in Christ, Jim
Preach it brother!
Amen
Anthony
I agree but not at first. Like many of you, I was also disappointed this morning--but not because of the resource itself--but because I already have it. It's still a blessing nevertheless because I was actually dreading that the last day's deal would be too irresistible. I was fearing to see this this morning: "You've asked for it...Even prayed for it...So now...FOR ONE DAY ONLY...Logos Ultimate Collection Upgrade! EVERYTHING in our Logos library for just pennies on the dollar...Just use our discount upgrade calculator for you personalized upgrade price and the next time you open up Logos 4, you'll see "What you have" and "What you'll get with Logos Ultimate Upgrade"...Payment plan available..." [:D]
Note: I'm not mocking Logos at all or any of their marketing methods...[:(]
I'm curious...Do I have enough space on my new computer to house the complete Logos Library all indexed? [^o)]
Also, a final note, I'm glad I can finally get to bed at a decent hour. I'm in the east coast and have to wait until past 3am to get an early glimpse of the Deal of the Day. And when I did purchase--three times I might add--I stayed up for another hour downloading and sync-ing...in both L4 and L3 until I got to bed at about 4am. Then I'd get up at 5:30am to do my devotions and start my day meeting God through Logos! Praise God! Life is good...Thanks Logos, for depleting my funds and depriving me of sleep...And I do mean that in the very best way. [;)] It's been really fun!
I'm curious...Do I have enough space on my new computer to house the complete Logos Library all indexed?
It's not just the hard drive space, but the time it would take to index 10,000+ resources. I would be curious to know if the guys in the Logos labs have done this with everything that is available to Logos and how long it took. I have about 2,000+ and it takes 6ish hours as it is! I would guess then it would take in excess of 30 hours. That wouldn't be so bad as a one off, but merging indexes and having to reindex in the event of a problem would be a real drag... literally a drag on your computer. [;)]
Are you kidding me?
This commentary is a real blessing. It has the most extensive topical index on prayer, that links to scripture, that I have ever seen. The index alone is worth the purchase.
Anyone who loves to pray will love this resource.
Sure! it would be lovely to have a big commentary resource on offer at a fantastic price that I could afford (even at a discount the WBC set was too much for me!) BUT I did buy "The Drama of Scripture" with it's wonderful exploration of 'Covenant' and I purchased "The Kingdom of Priests" which looks like a great over view of OT history (which even refers to Bimson's early date for the Exodus which most scholars now favour) so all in all I'M HAPPY & CONTENT with what was offered. Thanks Logos for a great Christmas sale.
With a mere 534 resources at my disposal may I suggest to folk that it's not the number of resources that make you a great scholar (or preacher) but how you use what you have.
Christmas Greetings everyone!
Ps. I do have to agree with our forum thread leader that Day 12 seemed a bit of an odd choice - but each to their own I guess!
I'm building up a large library because I'm banking on implantable neurological chips in the near future.
Though I have posted several times in this thread, I finally found today's Christmas Special - Looks interesting, but having updated to LOGOS Gold, it is out of my price range. Thank you Logos for all the great offers this holiday.
Blessings,
Floyd
I purchased "The Kingdom of Priests" which looks like a great over view of OT history (which even refers to Bimson's early date for the Exodus which most scholars now favour) so all in all I'M HAPPY & CONTENT with what was offered. Thanks Logos for a great Christmas sale.
How is "The Kingdom of Priests"? How is this book different from other history of Israel books? Would you recommend this resource to an SS teacher as a good background resource for teaching the OT? Or is it more for the scholar?
Back in the old days logos had real sales at Christmas time. More than once they allowed customers to purchase downloads at 50% off! A decent deal for sure. But in the last 2-3 years they've given next to nothing (in my opinion). This years 12 offerings are a farce!! Perhaps they need to hire a marketing person or two to explain what a sale really is... offering customers something they want (not what you want to sell) at a decent price.
Terry Cook
sDg
Back in the old days logos had real sales at Christmas time. More than once they allowed customers to purchase downloads at 50% off! A decent deal for sure. But in the last 2-3 years they've given next to nothing (in my opinion). This years 12 offerings are a farce!! Perhaps they need to hire a marketing person or two to explain what a sale really is... offering customers something they want (not what you want to sell) at a decent price. Terry Cook sDg
16 The whole congregation of the Israelites set out from Elim; and Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had departed from the land of Egypt. 2 The whole congregation of the Israelites complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness. 3 The Israelites said to them, “If only we had died by the hand of the Lord in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the fleshpots and ate our fill of bread; for you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”
Good passage, lol
More than once they allowed customers to purchase downloads at 50% off! A decent deal for sure. But in the last 2-3 years they've given next to nothing (in my opinion).
Thanks for sharing your opinion Terry. I am sorry you didn't find something of useful interest. I would like to point out most of the items in the 12 Days of Logos sale are offered at 50% off. And if you consider the Portfolio edition upgrade the discount approaches 90% off. I bet if you audited Logos financial statements you would discover the discounts they have delivered on this season have surpassed their gross earnings of 2008. Not something I would casually dismiss as a "farce."
Here's hoping 2010 finds you and Logos happily on the same page in regards to "real deals." [B] Cheers!
Terry
When making such a joke, it is customary to place s smiley at the end so people will not think you are serious! [:D] With all the superb offers Logos has made in the last 2 months, no one could possibly take you seriously. You may not have wanted any of the specials in the 12 Days sale, but many other users did. I only purchased one, but I did not blame Logos for my lack of interest. However, I did take advantage of the L4 upgrade from Gold to Platinum, at a truly incredible price. Given all this I know you must have been joking with the above post. [8-|]
