How to search unaccented Greek?

I want to search unaccented Greek. Why? You are working with a non-biblical text and don't know what the word is. Or, I'm composing a Greek quiz and I want to find biblical instances of a specific form, and I want instances where they may be prefixes, so the initial verb may or may not have breathing mark. Et al...

I'm used to BibleWorks where there simply is a toggle to turn off/on accent or breathing mark sensitive searching. Is there such a toggle somewhere in Logos?

The only thing I have been able to find so far is to search on the 1881 WestcottHort which is an unaccented Greek text. (Or one of the other older Greek texts mentioned in this thread.) I can't find an unaccented LXX at all.

Still, I'd prefer to search NA28 or SBLGNT and the LXX. Am I missing something?

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Still, I'd prefer to search NA28 or SBLGNT and the LXX. Am I missing something?

Logos 5.2 Beta 1 search can use matching command(s) => http://wiki.logos.com/Search_Matching_Commands

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Dave Hooton

where there simply is a toggle to turn off/on accent or breathing mark sensitive searching

By default a manuscript search is not sensitive to marks/accents e.g. I get the same results searching with αυτου, αὑτού or αὑτοῦ in a bible or non-bible. I would think this is the behaviour you want. If you search a morphological text the lemma search is mark sensitive e.g. lemma:αὐτοῦ and not lemma:αυτου. This lemma behaviour does not change in the 5.2 beta, which only allows you to refine manuscript searches e.g. [match exact]αυτου will only match αυτου, not the other forms.

Mark Hoffman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533241#Comment_533241

Thanks to both of you!

KS4J, I always learn something new from you! Good to know about the [match...] parameter. I wasn't wanting a morph search, however.

Dave, you are indeed correct. A good example to search is ου which does indeed return forms of ού (not) ὅς (rel prn) οῦ (where).

So, I'll be more specific about what I was trying to find and can't seem to make it work. I am trying to find all instances of ελθωμεν. There are none in the NT, but I want to find if there are forms with a prepositional prefix. In BibleWorks, I can search for *ελθωμεν and I get forms in Mar 4:35; 5:12; Luk 2:15; 8:22. (διελθωμεν εισελθωμεν) There are quite a few more such forms in the LXX.
So, I had thought to use a Bible search, all text, all passages, in SBLGNT or NA27 or NA28 for *ελθωμεν. I get 0 results. The only way I can get the results is to search that 1881 WestcottHort.

Now that I've made clearer what I'm trying to accomplish, is there a way to do it using NA28?

Note: I do not want to do a morphological search. Sometimes I may not know what the morphology is, and this is a kind of backwards way of finding the verb and its analysis. Or I could be looking for something like forms of αγαπωμεν which as an α-contract could be either indicative or subjunctive. A lot of times I do this kind of search looking for examples to show in my Greek class

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533466#Comment_533466

I can search for *ελθωμεν and I get forms in Mar 4:35; 5:12; Luk 2:15; 8:22. (διελθωμεν εισελθωμεν) There are quite a few more such forms in the LXX.
So, I had thought to use a Bible search, all text, all passages, in SBLGNT or NA27 or NA28 for *ελθωμεν. I get 0 results. The only way I can get the results is to search that 1881 WestcottHort.

You are correct as 5.1b only gives NT results in the older Greek bibles with unaccented forms. But Logos have obviously fixed this in the 5.2 beta as I get those results in NA27, SBLGNT LGNTI, and the reverse interlinear bibles. It follows that you would also get those results in NA28.

Mark Hoffman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533513#Comment_533513

Thanks, Dave. I am indeed using 5.1b. I'll wait for Logos to roll out 5.2 after it gets out of beta.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/533466#Comment_533466

n BibleWorks, I can search for *ελθωμεν and I get forms in Mar 4:35; 5:12; Luk 2:15; 8:22. (διελθωμεν εισελθωμεν)

Thankful for right click menu in Logos. Opened NA28 to Lk 2.15 right click, clicked root, then morph search:

Followed by copying search then removed First Person Plural (1P) so could find more verses.

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