BUG: Passage list
Using Lucado's Life Lessons 1 Corinthians with add from selected option in Passage List All of Lesson One was selected. The Passage List is as built - no sorting, deletions or additions
Case 1:
Logos invents 2 entries that are not in the text ... they represent the end points of a range that was itself added correctly.
Case 2:
Logos decides to treat a range as a single verse.
Case 3:
From Lesson 2 Logos decides to pick its own starting point
Ironically I was trying to use the Passage List to ensure I wasn't making errors.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Logos invents 2 entries that are not in the text ... they represent the end points of a range that was itself added correctly.
I can't reproduce this problem; when I "Save as Passage List" using the selected text you've shown, it creates a Passage List with one entry: Prov 3:5-7.
MJ. Smith said:Logos decides to treat a range as a single verse.
Tagging error in resource; you can report it as a typo. (You can check this by right-clicking or hovering over the reference and seeing what's displayed.)
MJ. Smith said:From Lesson 2 Logos decides to pick its own starting point
Can't repro. (Your screenshot doesn't even show any selected text, so I don't know what you did or didn't highlight.)
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MJ. Smith said:
All of Lesson One was selected
I missed this the first time, sorry.
Then the behavior is by design; Prov 3:5 and Prov 3:7 are in the text of Lesson 1 here: logosres:ml1corin;ref=Page.p_18;off=331;ctx=f_human_wisdom,_see_~Proverbs_3:5,_7$3B_Ecc
It was proposed on a different thread that saving as a passage list should not merge references: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/76180/533200.aspx#533200
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
You are correct - I missed it the first time as well. It is behaving as I would expect.
Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Tagging error in resource
It appears to be endemic to the resource :
I really don't want to go through the resource and label all ranges as typos.
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2002-08-15T00:30:35Z
ML1CORIN.lbxllsHighlighted text:
LESSON ONE
THE FOOLISHNESS OF HUMAN WISDOM
REFLECTION
Begin your study by sharing thoughts on this question.
1. Which aspects of the gospel (Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection) are difficult for people to understand and accept?
BIBLE READING
Read 1 Corinthians 1:18–31 from the NCV or the NKJV.
NCV
NKJV
18The teaching about the cross is foolishness to those who are being lost, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19It is written in the Scriptures:
“I will cause the wise men to lose their wisdom;
I will make the wise men unable to understand.”
20Where is the wise person? Where is the educated person? Where is the skilled talker of this world? God has made the wisdom of the world foolish. 21In the wisdom of God the world did not know God through its own wisdom. So God chose to use the message that sounds foolish to save those who believe. 22The Jews ask for miracles, and the Greeks want wisdom. 23But we preach a crucified Christ. This is a big problem to the Jews, and it is foolishness to those who are not Jews. 24But Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God to those people God has called—Jews and Greeks. 25Even the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
26Brothers and sisters, look at what you were when God called you. Not many of you were wise in the way the world judges wisdom. Not many of you had great influence. Not many of you came from important families. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and he chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose what the world thinks is unimportant and what the world looks down on and thinks is nothing in order to destroy what the world thinks is important. 29God did this so that no one can brag in his presence. 30Because of God you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God. In Christ we are put right with God, and have been made holy, and have been set free from sin. 31So, as the Scripture says, “If someone wants to brag, he should brag only about the Lord.”
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—31that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the LORD.”
DISCOVERY
Explore the Bible reading by discussing these questions.
2. In what ways can the gospel seem foolish?
Leaders’ Note
Question 2. As you discuss what seems foolish about the gospel, ask group members about their initial encounter with the Gospel of Christ. What age were they? What was hard for them to accept? What were some misconceptions they may have had about following Christ?
3. How do Jesus’ life and death reveal the wisdom and power of God?
4. In what ways is God’s wisdom different from the world’s wisdom?
5. What does Paul mean when he says God “chose the weak things of the world”?
6. So, what do believers have to brag about?
Leaders’ Note
Question 6. Bragging or boasting implies a certain amount of pride. Discuss the difference between the sin of being prideful and the wonderful pride that we have in Jesus’ accomplishments. (The difference resides in whether the object of our pride is ourselves.) In contemplating what God has done for us, see Romans 5:8 and 2 Corinthians 5:21.
INSPIRATION
Here is an uplifting thought from The Inspirational Bible.
You want success? Here’s your model. You want achievement? Here’s your prototype. You want bright lights, pageants, and media attention? Consider the front-page, center article of the nation’s largest daily newspaper.
It is a caricature of “Miss America.” The vital data of the fifty one participants has been compiled to present the perfect woman. She has brown hair. She has brown eyes. She knows how to sing and has a perfect figure: 35–24-35. She is Miss America.
The message trumpets off the page: “This is the standard for American women.” The implication is clear: Do what it takes to be like her. Firm your thighs. Deepen your cleavage. Pamper your hair. Improve your walk.
No reference is made to her convictions … to her honesty … to her faith … or to her God. But you are told her hip size.
In a small photo, four inches to the left, is another woman. Her face is thin. Her skin is wrinkled, almost leathery. No makeup … no blush … no lipstick. There is a faint smile on her lips and a glint in her eyes. She looks pale. Perhaps it’s my imagination or perhaps it’s time. The caption read, “Mother Teresa: In serious condition.”
Mother Teresa. You know her story. When she won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985, she gave the two hundred thousand dollars to the poor of Calcutta. When a businessman bought her a new car, she sold it and gave the money to the underprivileged. She owns nothing. She owes nothing.
Two women: Miss America and Mother Teresa. One walks the boardwalk; the other walks the alley. Two voices. One promises crowns, flowers, and crowds. The other promises service, surrender, and joy.
Now I have nothing against beauty pageants (although I have my reservations about them). But I do have something against the lying voices that noise our world.
You’ve heard them. They tell you to swap your integrity for a new sale. To barter your convictions for an easy deal. To exchange your devotion for a quick thrill.
They whisper. They woo. They taunt. They tantalize. They flirt. They flatter. “Go ahead, it’s O.K.” “Just wait until tomorrow.” “Don’t worry, no one will know.” “How could anything that feels so right be so wrong?” …
For amidst the fleeting promises of pleasure is the timeless promise of [God’s] presence.
“Surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
“Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
There is no chorus so loud that the voice of God cannot be heard … if we will but listen.
(From In the Eye of the Storm by Max Lucado)
RESPONSE
Use these questions to share more deeply with each other.
7. In what ways does the media entice us to accept the world’s values?
Leaders’ Note
Question 7. Be sure to include music, printed materials, and billboard advertising when considering the media. What commercials use sex to sell something totally unrelated? How are conservatives depicted in the news? When do news stories or movies prompt us to sympathize with the less-than-honorable characters or choices?
8. Have you sought God’s guidance, rather than relying on your own intellect and ability? Explain the circumstances and the outcome.
Leaders’ Note
Question 8. See Proverbs 3:5–7. For more discussion, how should we draw the balance between acting on the wisdom God gave us and trusting him to lead? Ask your group for any personal experiences.
9. In what ways can we ignore the false messages around us and think more like God?
PRAYER
Father, too often the lies of the world drown out your voice. Give us ears to hear you and hearts willing to obey. Help us to stand against the pressure to seek success and power. Give us the strength to choose the timeless truths of your Word over the fleeting promises of the world. And Father, confirm only those thoughts and plans that conform to your will.
JOURNALING
Take a few moments to record your personal insights from this lesson.
In light of this passage, how can I make better decisions?
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
10. Why is it important to recognize the limits of human wisdom?
11. In what ways can you determine if an idea or plan is based on worldly thinking or biblical teaching?
12. List some benefits of living according to God’s wisdom instead of human wisdom.
For more Bible passages on the limits of human wisdom, see Proverbs 3:5, 7; Ecclesiastes 1:12–18; 2:16; Jeremiah 9:23–24; Ezekiel 28:2–7; Matthew 11:25; 1 Corinthians 3:19,20.
To complete the book of 1 Corinthians during this twelve-part study, read 1 Corinthians 1:1–31.
Max Lucado, Life Lessons from the Inspired Word of God: Book of 1 Corinthians, Inspirational Bible Study Series (Dallas, TX: Word Pub., 1997), 10–18.Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
Can't repro.
Finally a range that did work!!
Unfortunately, it appears to be a fluke:
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Resource info: same as above
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he rulers of this world understood it. If they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9But as it is written in the Scriptures:
“No one has ever seen this,
and no one has ever heard about it.
No one has ever imagined
what God has prepared for those
who love him.”
10But God has shown us these things through the Spirit.
The Spirit searches out all things, even the deep secrets of God. 11Who knows the thoughts that another person has? Only a person’s spirit that lives within him knows his thoughts. It is the same with God. No one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12Now we did not receive the spirit of the world, but we received the Spirit that is from God so that we can know all that God has given us. 13And we speak about these things, not with words taught us by human wisdom but with words taught us by the Spirit. And so we explain spiritual truths to spiritual people. 14A person who does not have the Spirit does not accept the truths that come from the Spirit of God. That person thinks they are foolish and cannot understand them, because they can only be judged to be true by the Spirit. 15The spiritual person is able to judge all things, but no one can judge him. The Scripture says:
16“Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Who has been able to teach him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.
6However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
DISCOVERY
Explore the Bible reading by discussing these questions.
2. Why does God keep some things hidden from us?
Leaders’ Note
Question 2. Scripture tells us often that we are not able to comprehend everything in reality as God knows it. Discuss the fact that there are some things we may consider “hidden” that are just not understandable to us now. Also point out that part of the necessity of faith is trusting God with those things that we do not, as of yet, understand.
3. In what ways can we know God’s thoughts and plans?
4. List some ways the Holy Spirit helps believers.
Leaders’ Note
Question 4. For more on the Holy Spirit see John 14:26; 15:26; 16:13–15; 1 John 2:27.
5. Why is a person without the Spirit unable to understand spiritual truths?
Leaders’ Note
Question 5. Compare a tone-deaf person’s appreciation for music and an unsaved person’s understanding of the truths of God.
6. Explain what it means to “have the mind of Christ.”
Leaders’ Note
Question 6. We can never really know what God is thinking (Romans 11:34), but because we have the Holy Spirit, we can develop a relationship with God. And, as with any relationship, when you spend time with someone, you begin to understand his thoughts, plans, and ways. After years of marriage couples begin to finish each other’s sentences and know each other’s thoughts. It is the same with God. As you spend time with Christ in his word and prayer and your relationship develops, you begin to gain the mind of Christ.
INSPIRATION
Here is an uplifting thought from The Inspirational Bible.
Men are always seeking for greater wisdom, but they usually bypass the Ultimate Source of wisdom. The Scriptures clearly point this direction. They reveal, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding” (Proverbs 9:10). But what has man done with this tremendous resource at his fingertips? Ignored it! “For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:21,22).
Since God’s wisdom resides in His Word, it is imperative to know what He has revealed, but even many Christians ignore a regular time of reading and studying the Scriptures. Therefore, many of their decisions are foolish, because they’ve not consulted the Ultimate Source of wisdom.
(From Finding Time by Rick Yohn)
RESPONSE
Use these questions to share more deeply with each other.
7. In what different ways do we try to gain wisdom?
Leaders’ Note
Question 7. What are the many ways in our world that we gain wisdom? Discuss the different kinds of schooling. Discuss the difference between head knowledge and common sense. You may even ask if anyone has known an “absent-minded professor type” who had plenty of book knowledge, but not common sense.
8. What happens when we rely on human wisdom, instead of God’s wisdom?
9. When has the Holy Spirit helped you understand or apply God’s Word?
PRAYER
Father, your plans for us are perfect. Yet we often doubt your promises, assuming we can take better care of ourselves than our Creator. Forgive us for ignoring the truth in your Word. Tune our ears to your Spirit’s voice, and teach us to follow your ways. May our lives testify to your great wisdom and power.
JOURNALING
Take a few moments to record your personal insights from this lesson.
How can I weed out the “thorns” that hinder my spiritual growth?
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
10. What practical steps can we take to reduce the risk of making foolish decisions?
11. What sometimes keeps you from seeking God’s help?
12. In what ways can you depend more on God’s Spirit to help you make wise decisions?
For more Bible passages on God’s wisdom, see Psalm 111:10; Proverbs 2:6; Isaiah 11:2; Jeremiah 10:12; Ephesians 1:16,17; Colossians 2:3; 2 Timothy 3:15; James 1:5.
To complete the book of 1 Corinthians during this twelve-part study, read 1 Corinthians 2:1–3:8.
Max Lucado, Life Lessons from the Inspired Word of God: Book of 1 Corinthians, Inspirational Bible Study Series (Dallas, TX: Word Pub., 1997), 19–25.Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
It appears to be endemic to the resource :
I can report this systemic error directly.
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