I am running VMware 3, L4.0a, Win XP SP3. All works pretty good.
My machine can handle the upgrade to Win7, but the question is, should I? Is there an even further speed increase going from Win7 from XP SP3?
I would say that depends on your hardware. If you have 4 Gigs of memory or better and have multicore processors then upgrade. Windows 7 takes significant advantage of multicore CPUs with hyperthreading and can address over and above the 3.5 Gigs of memory if you get the 64 Bit version.
I have windows 7 and really like it. I went from XP to 7 so I had no Vista hangups. But you will have to do a clean install from XP there is no easy upgrade unless you have Vista.
Hope that helps.
i am running Win 7 64 bit with just 3 gig RAM. Working fine for me. Love Win 7. Had XP on a single core processor before that. That was fine for me. Win 7 is just so much nicer. Just comes down to the money.
On the same machine (my laptop) Win7 64-bit is about the same speed as XP for searches in L4. But Win 7 is more responsive to mouse clicks. If you go to a new machine then definitely get Win 7, quad core, umpteen GB memory, etc. but I would stay with XP on your machine.
there has to be a decent reason why you want to upgrade your OS.
I firstly comment of a "real" Windows system
If you are currently happy with XP and it does what you want then why go through the pain.
Generally it is alot better do do a fresh install rather than an upgrade over XP so youll have to be happy to take all the time and backup and make sure everything hardware wise you own is going to work OK with 7 . If you where upgrading to a new computer then fair enough but if you are not that much of a computer person then the upgrade path maybe a bit of a pain for you . Your call. The average person doesnt both the upgrade route but waits till they get a new system with it preinstalled.
But if it is not a real system but here I am assuming you are using a Mac as you run Fusion. I have a macbookpro 17" a couple of years old running Fusion and Parallels 5 It's a 2.33ghz system with 3gb of ram.
I tried Windows 7 in both Fusion and P5 and XP in the end I went back to XP as I saw no advantage and infact XP was faster. I also found Parallels 5 was slightly faster too.
I am running VMware 3, L4.0a, Win XP SP3. All works pretty good. My machine can handle the upgrade to Win7, but the question is, should I? Is there an even further speed increase going from Win7 from XP SP3?
I think because your machine is a virtual machine, it really depends on how not just how efficient W7 is in a native hardware environment, but also how nicely W7 plays with Fusion 3.0. Unfortunately, I have not seen any benchmarks with W7 and XP Pro (SP3) running on Fusion 3. For comparison, I would love to see benchmarks of the two on Parallels 5 as well.
I too am thinking of getting W7, but would like to know more before I spend the dosh!
in a VM XP is still faster than 7 there is not alot in it though. Parallels 5 definitely has a slight edge on Fusion and there are some benchmarks about to show that but they are not Logos specific of course. But bottom line is the Mac alpha of Logos is way faster than either XP or 7 in a VM. There is no comparison. I have tried all the different tricks turning off 3D and turning off hardware acceleration but Logos 4 for Windows is still sluggish in a VM I dont know what it's like on a native system but I believe it chews alot of resource.
I just got an invite from Parallels 5 to upgrade (I currently use Fusion 3). I am really tempted to give it a go, but I would rather stop running virtual machines all together. Yet, when I look at the progress of L4 Mac, I am encouraged by its speed of development, but I am conservative in my expectations and don't expect to be able to do any serious work with it for another six months.
After a decade of windows, I switched to the Mac a year ago and absolutely love it, but the only fly in the ointment is Logos for Mac. I am so looking forward to this product maturing.
I do have the same config except that I am running VMware 2.06 (and 2GB of ram dedicated to it). I did not uncheck 3D in the settings nor slided the hardware accelaration down. Makes no difference. And it is running pretty good, too!
I have L4 installed on my Vista laptop as well. I am a bit wondering about all the discussions about L4 being slow on virtual machines, to me it seems that the Vista machine is not doing it any faster while it is only 6 months old. So, I am happy with the behavior of L4 running virtual on my MacBook Pro which is two and a half years old.
The only drawback is that the initial startup of Logos (after starting XP under VMware) takes about 3 to 4 minutes. Almost 2 minutes to get to signing and 1 to 2 minutes to have it fully opened. But that is OK to me..as long as it works.
Sounds like I should stay with XP SP3.
I neglected to mention I have a Jan 09 MB Pro, 8GB RAM, with 2.5GB allocated to VM and 1 core, 3D off, hardware accel at 1st notch, and compatibility to not use text stuff (I checked that box suggested).
Frankly, I think it is as fast as L3. I have found that even if I allocated 4GB memory, it doesn't help since when viewing task manager, there is plenty of memory idle when several things are open or searches are processing for L4.
Thanks for all the responses.
This is good to know... because I have a total of 4GB and can only allocate 2GB to Fusion.
Yeah, I wanted a machine where memory would never be an issue, for a while anyway.
Something interesting I noted when moving from VM2 to VM3 (trial right now, but will purchases in January when the trial is up), is that when monitoring memory usage on the Mac side, VMware allocation under VM2 was dependent on need, but could not exceed the allocation set in VM; for VM3, the entire allocation is made immediately, so it is readily available at any point (sort of like preallocating hard drive space).
This would explain why it feels snappier since if the Mac doesn't have to communicate with VM to understand more memory is needed, but simply uses what is preallocated, then this would speed up the RAM usage for Windows. I say this knowing other things might be speeding up Windows in VM3, but this is a good reason it would feel faster.
Ignoring VM altogether, even when I only had 4GB RAM on my MB Pro, when I increased the RAM to 8GB and doing the same things which never maxed out the 4GB, the MB Pro was faster and more responsive. It almost seemed like it knew to the increase in memory more efficiently. One thing is for sure...I didn't have page outs (where hard drive space is used for RAM) after increasing RAM to 8GB as I did sometimes with 4GB.
All in all, using L3 or 4, I have never seen more than a 500MB pull on memory, regardless of VM2 or 3.
I just got an invite from Parallels 5 to upgrade (I currently use Fusion 3). I am really tempted to give it a go,
Donovan, before you make the leap into Parallels 5, try the trial version and see if any increases are worth the money. I use F3, and I think that is what I am going to do just for fun. Just remember that things are changing so fast in the VM world, that when ever parallels or vmware get an advantage, the other won't let them keep it very long. So bouncing back and forth between them can get expensive.
