SUGGESTION re new saints feature LOGOS team input desired
Here is a picture of the nifty new feature, so you'll know what I'm talking about:
I like it. But I assume that it is based on the Universal Calendar and limited to an entry or two. However, the church you attend, the order to which the church belongs and the diocese it which you reside may cause you to celebrate a different saint's day. America celebrates its own saints even when ignored by most of the world. Belong to a Dominican parish, we up the priority on certain Dominican saints. Then are are name saints, confirmation saints ...
So I clicked on the Saint's name to see what Logos provided AND I made myself a little reading list:
1. The first part of the Reading List is a traditional reading list pointing to 2 resources. I could expand but that was enough to make me happy. However, I would like to be able to get to my reading list via an icon on the saints ribbon section. If you look at the actual record on topics.logos.com you will see I was also helpful on alternative names/spellings of name. It would be nice if Logos built base records as they did for their LCV - especially so my creating such records doesn't annoy the 'why-have-saints" group.
2. The second part of the Reading List is a big bad kludge ... but a way for me to indicate what other saints are also recognized on this day so I know if I use an alternative. And if I were not Latin Rite Catholic, I'd be wanting to follow one of these potential saints more frequently. What is the overall vision for how Verbum will handle these alternative saints?
3. The Logos section for saints is nice and uncluttered. It called to mind the Wikpedia sidebar:
This led to two observations and a question:
- there are no dates in Verbum on many saints - I would like to see at least century and eventually a timeline (Wikipedia has timelines by century)
- Wikipedia tells us where the saint is honored - while it doesn't matter much in this particular case, being able to identify where saints are honored across the Anglican, Catholic (various rites), Eastern Church, Lutheran, Orthodox spectrum is both useful and interesting
- Will the "Further Reading" section be expanded to include other Saint based resources?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
1. The first part of the Reading List is a traditional reading list pointing to 2 resources. I could expand but that was enough to make me happy. However, I would like to be able to get to my reading list via an icon on the saints ribbon section. If you look at the actual record on topics.logos.com you will see I was also helpful on alternative names/spellings of name. It would be nice if Logos built base records as they did for their LCV - especially so my creating such records doesn't annoy the 'why-have-saints" group.
I'll have to look into this.
MJ. Smith said:2. The second part of the Reading List is a big bad kludge ... but a way for me to indicate what other saints are also recognized on this day so I know if I use an alternative. And if I were not Latin Rite Catholic, I'd be wanting to follow one of these potential saints more frequently. What is the overall vision for how Verbum will handle these alternative saints?
I'm not sure if your primary concern here is obscure saints that aren't on the general (or U.S.) calendar, or with variant feast days. The first not a problem. There's no numeric limit on the number of saints we can list. As we align the data in more resources, the number of saints listed for a given day will expand. The second presents more complications, but we're already handling (with some simplification) the variations between the modern calendar and old calendar (as represented in the older resources we've curated) and the variations between the U.S. calendar and the general calendar. I think we ought to be able to generalize this for other variants (local, religious orders, etc.).
MJ. Smith said:there are no dates in Verbum on many saints - I would like to see at least century and eventually a timeline (Wikipedia has timelines by century)
Yes. We need to expand when date information is provided. This was an oversight in the first phase of data curation. I'm not sure about the timeline. I don't see us creating a distinct timeline for saints, but the saints' lifespans ought to be added the Timeline feature.
MJ. Smith said:Wikipedia tells us where the saint is honored - while it doesn't matter much in this particular case, being able to identify where saints are honored across the Anglican, Catholic (various rites), Eastern Church, Lutheran, Orthodox spectrum is both useful and interesting
I believe we'll be creating data for the Orthodox saints before too long, and probably Anglican as well, so we'll be including this information in the database from which the resource is built for the traditions that we cover. I'm not yet certain how we'll deliver the different data for the different traditions. Our first concern is meeting the needs of the general user within a particular tradition rather than the user doing comparative study, but I'm hoping we can find a way to do both.
MJ. Smith said:Will the "Further Reading" section be expanded to include other Saint based resources?
Yes.
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For those of us wish the broadest sampling of Saints please try to include an option for all installed saint calendars to be available.
-Dan
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MJ. Smith said:
Here is a picture of the nifty new feature, so you'll know what I'm talking about:
I don't have this feature and I'm running the latest version (5.2 SR-3), so I'm assuming it is only available to people who have "set verbum to yes"; it should be available to anyone as an option we can turn on/off in our home page (default to on for "verbum = yes" users and default to off for "verbum = no" users).
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Rosie Perera said:
I don't have this feature and I'm running the latest version (5.2 SR-3), so I'm assuming it is only available to people who have "set verbum to yes"; it should be available to anyone as an option we can turn on/off in our home page (default to on for "verbum = yes" users and default to off for "verbum = no" users).
It requires the new Saints resource, which is part of the new Verbum packages. If you own that, I believe it works as you describe. On by default in Verbum. Off by default but available in Logos.
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Can we make the saint resource in PB format?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
It requires the new Saints resource, which is part of the new Verbum packages.
Thanks to you I've just upgraded to Verbum Capstone+ for $122.84. Pretty good deal!
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MJ. Smith said:
Can we make the saint resource in PB format?
I think the answer is "not yet". The content itself is uncomplicated, so it shouldn't be too hard to make it possible. I'll look into it.
Rosie Perera said:Thanks to you I've just upgraded to Verbum Capstone+ for $122.84. Pretty good deal!
My first sale! (Only took me 9 years.)
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Rosie Perera said:
Thanks to you I've just upgraded to Verbum Capstone+ for $122.84. Pretty good deal!
Makes me feel very good about my Capstone+ upgrade price $66.26
-Dan
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You actually did another sale, Louis! *smile* Peace to you!Louis St. Hilaire said:MJ. Smith said:Can we make the saint resource in PB format?
I think the answer is "not yet". The content itself is uncomplicated, so it shouldn't be too hard to make it possible. I'll look into it.
Rosie Perera said:Thanks to you I've just upgraded to Verbum Capstone+ for $122.84. Pretty good deal!
My first sale! (Only took me 9 years.)
Mine was $137.28 American Dollars although I'm paying for it in Canadian Funds. It's downloading now! I don't know how Dan got such a good deal ........... We all live in Canada in three separate far-flung places, eh??? *smile*
Edit! Wow! Just noticed! This post is Number 3,999 for me! *smile*
Edit 2! Wow! Just noticed again! When I posted my first edit, it switched over to an even 4,000 ..... not Rosie's and MJ's and Daves' and Jack's and Alabama's and SuperTramp's League, of course; however, I'm rather pleased indeed!
In the Spirit of St. John Chrysostom, I hope! *smile*
John Chrysostom (c. 347–407 His last words are said to have been, "δόξα τῷ θεῷ πάντων ἕνεκεν" (Glory be to God for all things).[
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Mine was $137.28 American Dollars although I'm paying for it in Canadian Funds. It's downloading now! I don't know how Dan got such a good deal ...........
Dynamic pricing... probably something or sever somethings in the plus had already been purchased by me. Also... there was an additional 15% of via black friday pricing.
-Dan
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