I'm missing the obvious - what's the page for downloading the desktop Verbum app?
MJ I thought I must be blind for not seeing it because everybody else seems to know where it is. I think it is the orders confirmation page after you upgrade to Verbum+. Go to your orders to access the order again.
I have not purchased any Verbum packages. Then again, I have not purchase any L4 or L5 packages. Still, I would rather use Verbum over Logos now that the two of them are going in different directions.
I would rather use Verbum over Logos now that the two of them are going in different directions.
Tom, could you explain why you think this is the case?
in the command box "set verbum to yes" will give you the exact features of of the verbum software for now.
-Dan
I would rather use Verbum over Logos now that the two of them are going in different directions. Tom, could you explain why you think this is the case?
In this thread (http://community.logos.com/forums/p/78251/547125.aspx#547125), Andrew stated:
We anticipate that the future will bring further divergence between Verbum and Logos.
in the command box "set verbum to yes" will give you the exact features of of the verbum software for now. -Dan
I avoided reading this thread until your post because I really wasn't interested in Verbum but your post caused me to question this. I still would appreciate a concise answer to my question as to the advantages of why you would choose Verbum.
Thread => Verbum free engine includes reply:
https://www.logos.com/verbum/installation Not easy at all to find. Got there from my Orders page.
https://www.logos.com/verbum/installation
Not easy at all to find. Got there from my Orders page.
Wiki => http://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_Multiple_Macs now has Logos 5 and Verbum links: stable and beta. Noticed Mac disk image sizes are a bit different for 5.2 SR 3 Logos 5 (123.6 MB) and Verbum (122.1 MB).
For Windows 7, personally using a variation of Method 3 => http://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers to offline scan licensed Logos 5 resources into Verbum followed by indexing. File copying (of 31.4 GB) and discovery were done in 28 minutes. Bible indexing of 1,606 resources was done in 31 minutes. Library indexing of 11,908 resources is in progress; took 70 minutes to index individual files, now is merging files to create library index. Thankful for Solid State Disk (SSD) with enough capacity for Logos 5 and Verbum.
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I can't speak for Tom, but as similar as Luther and Calvin (and other Protestants) are on many points, we Lutherans generally see a significant difference. One of the clearest discussions of this that I know of is by the Anglican, Philip Cary, in his article "Why Luther is not Quite Protestant". He sees in Calvin and his heirs the logic, "Whoever believes in Christ is saved, I Believe in Christ, therefore, I am Saved." which contrasts with Luther's "Christ tells me, I Baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Christ never lies - is trustworthy - and tells the truth, therefore, I am a Baptized child of God, heir of all the promises, and can trust this." And as critical as we can be of Rome, we also find these gifts there.
And so when Verbum seems to be developing tools to show some of this, we Lutherans are quite interested.
SDG
Ken McGuire
Ken, thanks for the explanation and the link. I am neither Luthern or Catholic but I'm still interested in learning so that is why Verbum has always been a consideration for me although I have never taken the step to get it. I still would like to know the answer to my original question as to what advantages there would be with the Verbum software that I would be missing if I choose to stay on the Logos platform.
I still would like to know the answer to my original question as to what advantages there would be with the Verbum software that I would be missing if I choose to stay on the Logos platform.
Ah - well, Verbum seems to be developing tools (I have not tried them) to work better with lectionaries - including into the Exegetical Guide in the new Plus version. This has me a bit interested. While the exact name of the feature is drawing a blank for me at this time, I wonder if I may be more comfortable in their topics than in the standard Logos ones...
I avoided reading this thread until your post because I really wasn't interested in Verbum but your post caused me to question this. I still would appreciate a concise answer to my question as to the advantages of why you would choose Verbum. I can't speak for Tom, but as similar as Luther and Calvin (and other Protestants) are on many points, we Lutherans generally see a significant difference. One of the clearest discussions of this that I know of is by the Anglican, Philip Cary, in his article "Why Luther is not Quite Protestant". He sees in Calvin and his heirs the logic, "Whoever believes in Christ is saved, I Believe in Christ, therefore, I am Saved." which contrasts with Luther's "Christ tells me, I Baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Christ never lies - is trustworthy - and tells the truth, therefore, I am a Baptized child of God, heir of all the promises, and can trust this." And as critical as we can be of Rome, we also find these gifts there. And so when Verbum seems to be developing tools to show some of this, we Lutherans are quite interested. SDG Ken McGuire
For me, it is more practical than theological.
#1 - the lectionary aspect of L5 is simply bad! For Logos to be able to continue with Verbum, the lectionary must be improved. Therefore, if there is a chance that Logos and Verbum are going to become two different programs, I am going to go with the one that must have lectionary support.
#2 - While I do not use deuterocanonical books as scripture, I like how Verbum handles the larger canon.
#3 - I work in a very ecumenical setting. Just like knowing that it is currently Chanukah for my Jewish brothers and sisters and when Ramadan is for my Muslim friends is very helpful, knowing the saints and feast days for my RC brothers and sisters in Christ are also very helpful for me.
If someone does not have the desktop software and only wishes to download the Verbum app, then go here. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/78300/547446.aspx#547446
So what I don't understand is, if Logos can improve the lectionary for Verbum why not take that and incorporate it into Logos 5 too? Am I missing something here?
I have the L5 (portfolio) and the Verbum+ (capstone). I am a Nazarene minister. I do use the lectionary for my preaching. It would be ideal if they would just add something to the program settings that could be turned on or off and would show the added functionality if you desired to have it.
If they separate the programs and force one to choice, would not be ideal.
The lectionary changes do appear in Logos 5. However, the saints entry appears only in Verbum. I agree with you. My concern is that it would be very difficult to keep track of what features what denominations need ... better to let the user decide what features they personally need. It makes sense to have entry level packages with different default behavior - one wants new users to feel comfortable that it "just works" for them. But if I were LCMS I'd want some of the Catholic features to work for me too ... my synod puts out official documents, has a saints calendar, uses a lectionary .... Now I don't happen to be LCMS but I still want to look out for their interests so we both get a better product.
In L5 with a Verbum+ package, you can turn on the saints via the homepage. For me it appears under my reading plans, without having to set Verbum to yes. To get to the full lectionary features, I need to set Verbum to yes.
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