Looks like Personal Book syncing/sharing will soon be here...
5.2a beta 2 has added an 'upload' button next to Personal Books. The button works, but I don't know where the book goes! It seems there's a maximum size limit, too as the button is greyed out for some of my larger files.
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That's good to hear, Mark. Do you have any estimates on what that file size limit might be, based on your usage so far?
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Mark Barnes said:
the button is greyed out for some of my larger files.
Are those normal .docx files, or are they graphic heavy?
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Mark Barnes said:
5.2a beta 2 has added an 'upload' button next to Personal Books.
Is this in the PBB? Library? Other?
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alabama24 said:
Is this in the PBB? Library? Other?
In Tools > Personal Books; below the Build button.
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Will not upload an 11MB file. Lots of graphics.
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It's the compiled file that's being uploaded, not the .docx file. I think the limit is 10Mb, which should only exclude graphic-heavy files.
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Wow, that is great news!
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+1 [Y][Y][Y]Joseph Turner said:Wow, that is great news!
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Mark Barnes said:
It's the compiled file that's being uploaded, not the .docx file. I think the limit is 10Mb, which should only exclude graphic-heavy files.
Well, I have quite a number of books that show grey. Almost all the Bible PBB, etc. [:(]
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Maybe this is just the early stages and things will get tweaked as they progress through the betas.
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About a month ago, the strings for the Personal Book syncing became available for translating into other languages, so they have certainly been working on this.
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Dave Hooton said:alabama24 said:
Is this in the PBB? Library? Other?
In Tools > Personal Books; below the Build button.
I am not seeing this. Perhaps it is PC only?
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Almost all the Bible PBB
None of my Bibles are greyed out. Can you confirm that you can open these in Logos, and what the filesize is? (Look for *.lbspbb files in ResourceManager/Resources).
Of the PBs I have greyed out, either the compiled version is missing, or they have many images.I've several full-length books which will upload without difficulty.
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Mark - Do you have more than one copy of the current beta? If so, have you checked to see if the resource is available on the second computer?
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Mark Barnes said:
I think the limit is 10Mb
Whew. My largest one is 6.7. I have a couple at 4, but most are in the 1-2 MB range.
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My largest is nearly 300 MB - I built one PB from the multiple word files for The Biblical Illustrator. The next largest is 73 MB - same (it's the Keil-Delitzsch commentary on the OT which is made available by a Lutheran seminary - could delete it, since I own the Logos version) and the third largest with 36 MB is The NT Manuscript Project. All others are smaller.
I learned something new today (or re-learned): to open a PB book from the command window, or have this show the book name, at least, it has to be preferred with pbb: instead of lls: for Logos books - obvious if one looks at the filename, but it took a bit of playing around to register.
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Still no idea on this. I thought it would be https://documents.logos.com/ but my tested upload isn't there.Mark Barnes said:The button works, but I don't know where the book goes!
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TCBlack said:
Still no idea on this. I thought it would be https://documents.logos.com/ but my tested upload isn't there.
Neither is it in bible.faithlife.com or biblia.com
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Lynden Williams said:TCBlack said:
Still no idea on this. I thought it would be https://documents.logos.com/ but my tested upload isn't there.
Neither is it in bible.faithlife.com or biblia.com
Those were the three places I checked as well...
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To try and prevent rampant speculation over the weekend:
- Yes, the Upload button was implemented for Windows in Beta 2. Honestly, it snuck in a little early.
- The Upload button for Mac should be in Beta 3, which is when we will release more info for the feature.
- We are still testing the functionality of the feature, and I wouldn't expect much out of it until Beta 3.
- As you discovered, the current upload size limit is 10MB, which may change at some point (but may not).
- For now: no sharing between users, no mobile devices. The current implementation (which may not be functional until Beta 3) is only to sync PBs between your desktop machines.
Mark Barnes said:I don't know where the book goes!
There is planned to be a separate area added for tracking uploaded Personal Books. You can stop looking for it, it has yet to be implemented. [:)]
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Now Dylan — I know you were trying to be helpful, but you just ruined the plans for many of us over the weekend. What will we do with all our time if we can't spend it in rampant speculation? [:P]
(thanks for the update. [:)] )
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Dylan Rondeau said:
Yes, the Upload button was implemented for Windows in Beta 2. Honestly, it snuck in a little early.
If it's only a sync with files limited to 10Mb, why the upload button? Couldn't that just happen automatically?
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Mark Barnes said:
If it's only a sync with files limited to 10Mb, why the upload button? Couldn't that just happen automatically?
Maybe there will be reasons we won't want to upload them. For example, if you can't sync all your books, does it make sense to have two approaches to keeping things sync'd, or as in my case, keep using dropbox to share between computers? I happen to have 11 compiled files over 10 MB, so it may not be a full solution for me - without knowing what it will do of course!
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Mark Barnes said:
Couldn't that just happen automatically?
You might not want to sync a book every single time it is compiled. (Maybe you want to check that formatting was converted properly first.) You might have limited or expensive bandwidth. You might be working on a test book to try out new PBB syntax. Maybe in the future there'll be a way to share books with other users and you might want to perform some quality control and testing before you upload your most recent edits...
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This is exciting news.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
You might not want to sync a book every single time it is compiled...
Makes a lot of sense, particularly when (self/beta) testing
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NB.Mick said:
I learned something new today
I've been blunt-instrument-syncing PBs for some time over my home network, but never thought to look at the file sizes. Out of my 1000* PBs, 34 are over 10MB, which really is a small relative number. One is actually over 100MB (Catholic Encyclopedia as one volume).
*They're not all actual books. Some are long articles or blog posts that I thought were worthwhile or interesting.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
You might not want to sync a book every single time it is compiled.
Fair enough. But from a UI perspective, I think it would be better to have two buttons: Build book, and Build and Upload. That saves a click for uploaders and costs nothing if you don't want to upload. The only disadvantage would be if you wanted to upload books you've already built, but that's probably only an issue at launch, when you're 'catching up' with non-uploaded books.
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Mark Barnes said:
Build and Upload
This doesn't help anyone who wants to have a "build, test, upload" workflow; it forces them to rebuild the book they just tested in order to upload it.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
This doesn't help anyone who wants to have a "build, test, upload" workflow; it forces them to rebuild the book they just tested in order to upload it.
You can tell you're a programmer, and I'm a beta user without a stable version in reserve! I know nothing of this 'testing' before use. Using is testing! [:P]
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I have observed that if I upload a book when I restart the software there is a download, but it never asks for a restart, and I see no difference in the library.
Went to the stable version, and it downloaded something (again no indexing or restart) and there was no noticeable difference in the library.
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Lynden Williams said:
I have observed that if I upload a book when I restart the software there is a download, but it never asks for a restart, and I see no difference in the library.
Went to the stable version, and it downloaded something (again no indexing or restart) and there was no noticeable difference in the library.
It is a PB download but it is aborted because of a server error. As stated above, Beta 3 should provide the functionality that is lacking.
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I've noticed what I hope is a bug. I'm in the process of creating a PB, and I uploaded an unfinished book after compiling last night just to play with the new "toy". The problem this morning is that when I update the book with the docx file that I'm still working on, the book in logos will not update to the new file. I think its stuck using the one that was uploaded last night.
Edit: This is most likely a problem on my end. It seems that my skydrive is not syncing. Arg.
Edit 2: Confirmed.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
You might not want to sync a book every single time it is compiled.
Often I will not want to sync a book PERIOD.. as doing so would breach the agreement I have with the publisher as the files would be held on a 3rd party (logos) server, this could result in lawsuits and fines. Please don't enforce automatic upload/sharing some of us try to keep legal
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DominicM said:
the files would be held on a 3rd party (logos) server,
Oops, I've already busted that one wide open, as I use third party servers as part of my backup strategy.
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Yes YES YES!
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Dylan Rondeau said:
As you discovered, the current upload size limit is 10MB, which may change at some point (but may not).
I would plead for at least 50 MB. I have many resources over 10 and some up to 30 MB. Please, please.
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
I would plead for at least 50 MB. I have many resources over 10 and some up to 30 MB. Please, please.
That would be great! I am worried about an implementation that doesn't support a larger majority of files, it seems like it won't be unusual to have sizes over 10 MB. My largest is 39MB, Trapp's Annotations on the Old and New Testaments; it's a Bible Commentary, and it does not seem to have any pictures or anything in it so it is just big.
Thanks!
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I don't have any large PB files, but if 10mb is the limit could large files be split into volumes
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Fredc said:
I don't have any large PB files, but if 10mb is the limit could large files be split into volumes
In theory yes - but the practicality depends upon the internal linkages - I would not like to fragment the Creed collection ... the L3 use of fixed names and HTML was actually a better solution for this particular case.
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So as far as I can tell, at this moment all we can do is upload the PB files, they don't benefit any other device (even other pc/mac's) at this point?
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abondservant said:
So as far as I can tell, at this moment all we can do is upload the PB files, they don't benefit any other device (even other pc/mac's) at this point?
Did you read Dylan's response on page 2 of this thread?
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aye - but its not syncing files between my desktop (pc not mac) machines.
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Other than syncing between a Mac and a Windows I don't see much benefit in this feature as advertised. Syncing between Windows machines is possible even now in a roundabout way. Syncing to a mobile device would be a different story. That would be a huge step forward.
Also, 10M limit is low. Since Logos provides Bibles in a very limited number of languages those of us who must build our own personal book Bibles will run against this limit with one of the most important resource, a Bible in our own native language. The mobile Bible study app competition offers a much larger number of Bibles in different languages free of charge. I don't like it when I have to go to the competing product when I have to run a search in my native language Bible.
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George said:
Other than syncing between a Mac and a Windows I don't see much benefit in this feature as advertised. Syncing between Windows machines is possible even now in a roundabout way. Syncing to a mobile device would be a different story. That would be a huge step forward.
Also, 10M limit is low. Since Logos provides Bibles in a very limited number of languages those of us who must build our own personal book Bibles will run against this limit with one of the most important resource, a Bible in our own native language. The mobile Bible study app competition offers a much larger number of Bibles in different languages free of charge. I don't like it when I have to go to the competing product when I have to run a search in my native language Bible.
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George,
we are in a very early stage of beta. I'm sure that syncing to mobile devices is part of the planned design, but Logos are developing this step by step.
Btw it doesn't seem that bibles run against the 10MB limit, at least not those in Latin alphabet (I have no data on Asian charactersets). I think the limit was set as an initial gauge to "test the waters". And of course, one could build a bible in e.g two parts and series-link them. Do you have PB bibles built that are larger than 10MB?
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NB.Mick said:
George,
we are in a very early stage of beta. I'm sure that syncing to mobile devices is part of the planned design, but Logos are developing this step by step.
Btw it doesn't seem that bibles run against the 10MB limit, at least not those in Latin alphabet (I have no data on Asian charactersets). I think the limit was set as an initial gauge to "test the waters". And of course, one could build a bible in e.g two parts and series-link them. Do you have PB bibles built that are larger than 10MB?
NB.Mick
i understand Logos will keep working on this. When I said "as advertised" I was referring to Dylan's earlier post. At this stage I am not excited about this.[:)] When Logos gets to syncing to a mobile device I will be.[<:o)]The pbb size for Bible I use the most often (the Romanian Cornilescu translation which is out of copyright) is unfortunately 10,319KB :-). I don't know why the size it is that high (may be due to some of the characters used in the Romanian language such as ș,î,ț,ă,â) . I currently have about 220 personal books out of which only 14 are over 10M.
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Robert M. Warren said:NB.Mick said:
I learned something new today
One is actually over 100MB (Catholic Encyclopedia as one volume).
Robert,
Any way you can share with us your Catholic Encyclopedia (if it is out of copyright)?Thank you.
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Seems like a good application for the "series" function; wouldn't it?MJ. Smith said:Fredc said:I don't have any large PB files, but if 10mb is the limit could large files be split into volumes
In theory yes - but the practicality depends upon the internal linkages - I would not like to fragment the Creed collection ... the L3 use of fixed names and HTML was actually a better solution for this particular case.
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George said:
Any way you can share with us your Catholic Encyclopedia (if it is out of copyright)?
You can find it at http://areopage.net/Logos5FreeModulesLibrary.html.
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Dylan Rondeau said:
We are still testing the functionality of the feature, and I wouldn't expect much out of it until Beta 3.
Unfortunately, we ran into some issues with this feature, so my earlier timeline needs to be revised. Rather than adding a non-functioning Upload button to Mac in Beta 3, we've decided to remove the button from Windows for now so that we can get the service working correctly.
Uploading Personal Books is still coming. We couldn't properly fix the service while users were uploading books to it, but uploading/downloading personal books between desktops will be coming in a later Beta release. To avoid putting my foot in my mouth again I'm leaving it at that, but rest assured we want to ship this feature as much as you want to use it. [:)]
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