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Aloha and good afternoon
I too, am anxious to see a Windows Phone version of Logos. I will be switching from an iPhone 4 to a Nokia Lumia Icon in the very near future. And hope that a compatible version of Logos will become available. Until then I can make do with my Laridian.
With the stability of the Windows Phone OS and the improvements Microsoft continues to make, their market share can only continue to grow.
PS - I am also going to dump my first generation iPad and go with a Surface Pro 2.
Mahalo and God Bless
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For some inexplicable reason, I updated my iPhone to ios 7.1 today. oops. Do not like this new interface. And I had to hunt for some settings to ensure they were still set. Finally got everything back to the way I like it.
Some good did come of it though. I will be making the move to Windows Phone much sooner, than originally planned. Downside, no Logos on my new device (for now anyway). Are ylisting ending Logos? (hint, hint, wink wink, beg beg)
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After using a Windows CE PDA for several years, I purchased my first smartphone in 2004 which ran Windows Mobile 2003. I made it through four different Windows Mobile devices before I gladly switched to Android when the T-Mobile G1 was released as the first Android device. My wife and I have used more than a dozen Android phones and tablets since 2008.
All of this is to give some history when I say that I am seriously considering switching to Windows Phone 8/8.1 in the next week or so. I am also seriously considering dumping my current Nexus tablet for an 8" full Windows 8.1 tablet (i.e. Dell Venue 8 Pro, Asus Vivotab Note 8).
Currently I'm using my Nexus tablet as my primary Scripture source on Sundays and the Android "Bible" app from Logos is excellent. I have tried using my Yoga 2 Pro in tablet mode with the "Bible" app from the Windows store, but it is simply a terrible piece of software. I am now using an alternative from another provider when I use the Yoga 2 Pro in tablet mode (which I’ve started using as my daily Scripture reading tablet).
I understand and respect that Logos does not wish to invest in Windows Phone. That said, I refuse to let Logos' decision influence my mobile platform choices. I don't know if that decision will actually have any meaningful impact on my Logos purchases, but the lack of a credible Windows store app certainly opens up that possibility. Add to that the poor touch support in Logos 5, and there are some serious holes in Logos’ mobile strategy. I’ll give license to Logos however that they may be working out some of those issues for release in Logos 6.
I'm not going to say that Windows Phone is here to stay like the OP, but the winds are definitely changing and I see Microsoft doing some interesting things with the WP platform. The year-over-year growth for WP is encouraging and it is increasing in market share (albeit slowly). Improvements to the platform via Update 3 now allow for larger screens and devices with greater differentiation. Cortana is looking promising as an alternative to Siri and Google Now. Software support is increasing daily. I hear many of the same arguments against WP that were levied against Android in the beginning. For me however, the one fact that most encourages me about WP is that Ballmer is gone.
Several years ago I read a very interesting article that argued that the then current number of mobile platforms was unsustainable. The prediction at the time was that only three viable mobile platforms would survive. Although that article picked Symbian, Blackberry and iOS to “win” and gave Android little chance of success, the overall analysis was sound. There is room for a third mobile OS to succeed, if for no other reason that it gives device manufacturers more leverage with the carriers and with Apple and Google. I understand Logos’ hesitation to invest in WP due to Microsoft’s past bumbling mobile strategy (or lack thereof), but the current signs of growth are very promising.
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Erik said:
I understand and respect that Logos does not wish to invest in Windows Phone.
For clarification: Logos has not decided "not to invest in Windows Phone." Rather they have decided to "wait and see" if it becomes a viable platform. If it does, they will absolutely invest in it.
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alabama24 said:
[If you are really thinking about leaving Logos over your Nokia phone, you have drunk more MSFT Kool-Aid than I have the Apple Cider.
You just gotta love the good ole boy from Alabama, though he sojourns now in a distant foreign land.
I usually prefer the MSFT koolaid (love my Surface Pro 2 over the iPad), but I ain't giving up my family's 3 iPhones.
And I would still be using Logos if they did not support any mobile platform.
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Actually, to "wait and see" is "not investing". Think about it.
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There is no pleasing some people Richard. [;)]
Logos has not decided that they WILL NOT invest in windows mobile. They have decided to WAIT to make a better decision. If it were up to me, I would scrap windows and android both and devote my attention to iOS and OSX... But that would be an emotional decision and probably not a very wise business one. When Logos feels that investing in windows mobile makes sense, they will jump in.
Personally, I have been thankful that God answered "not now" at times... But the waiting is the hardest part.
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Diego Lara said:
And what is wrong with wanting to be different and not simply following the crowd.
By sticking with my iPhone I am being different and not following the Android crowd. I can't say I'll never switch to Android or WIndows phone but right now not a chance. Equally switching from my Windows PC to a Mac - not a chance at this point in time. I don't know about the future. And I love my iPad mini, wouldn't switch to a Nexus, Samsung or any other tablet - though at some point if the price is right I would consider switch from a desktop PC to a Surface Pro.
Logos will loose some individual customers due to their choice of not seeing a mobile windows app as a good investment of their resources at this point in time. But they will have done there numbers and they have deemed at this point in time they have not reached break-even point or where that loss is going to impact them dramatically - demand has not yet reached the point where supply is willing to meet it.
I wish they had a fully functioning windows app so that users had the choice, and I had the choice if the day came that I wanted to move away from apple mobile devices, right now Android is my only alternative. I am thankful that Android app is now on par with iOS app so that I do at least have an alternative. Reality though is basic economics needs to rule business decisions. Yes at times risks must be taken, but there must be good business case for taking that risk with a good potential for a return on investment and right now Logos is indicating there is not a good enough business case to take that risk with a full windows store app. Till that changes I respect your disappointment and your choice to purchase your digital bible resources from whomever you decide is the best to suit your needs. But I also get Logos current decison and don't want Logos to make business decisions based on emotion.
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If "Wait and See" is Bob's business model regarding the Windows Phone app (as he has openly stated and has every right to do) then why not adopt it as the customer business model for any future Logos purchases, which is our right to do. As my friend from Alabama has suggested were aren't saying as customers we won't invest in Logos in the future just not until we see some progress and investing by Logos in the customer's desire/want/need, which should be a significant part of the decision since without the customer there is no Logos, regarding the Windows Phone app. I am not throwing stones just making a consumer's observation.
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Since market share is a significant factor in Logos decision regarding a windows phone app. I would be interested in hearing what percentage of market share you think an OS should have before Logos creates an app for it?
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Thanks for the question which I think is the real issue here. Logos wants to base their decision on "total market share" of the OS. My premises is that the decision should not be based on "total market share" but on "Logos customer share" and if the "total market share" is a part of the equation it should be the trend as opposed to a number/percentage. By that I mean the percentage of the Logos customer base (present customers) requesting the app and the trend of the OS (plus or minus) should be the significant factor not the "overall/total market" share of the OS which can be manipulated to meet ones own agenda. The numbers game can be played forever and manipulated for whichever way the wind blows. Just look at what our government does with information and numbers they release based on what? Who knows. There is an old saying that "figures don't lie but lairs do figure". And this is not suggesting that Logos is manipulating figures only that the source of those figures may not be totally unbiased. Thus the reasoning behind utilizing customer base numbers for decisions about new or expanded products. Thanks for listening. [:)]
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So what percentage of logos customers is needed before an app is provided?
I will grant that the recent growth trend for the windows phone platform is significant. However business decisions must be based on sustained trends. Blackberry is a good example of that.
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Richard- there is absolutely nothing wrong with your reusing my Logic. It was impeccable. Of course, the real issue is what do you value most in electronic resources? If you value windows mobile phone accessibility above all, you should not spend another cent in logos until they can fulfill that need. I was exposed to logos many years ago but didnt buy anything else after switching to Mac. My desire is to have a unified library. Logos is the best at that. I would be disappointed if they didn't have an iOS app, but there isn't an alternative. If you don't care about the strengths of Logos, why spend another dime? Of course, I don't really believe that's true about you otherwise you wouldn't be so persistent in this thread. I hope that Logos does make a windows phone app for you... I just wouldn't expect it this year.
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Aloha and good morning once again
I have no intention of abandoning Logos. I continue to add resources at least monthly.I will be moving to Windows Phone. And I will be moving to a Surface Pro 2 (maybe I'll wait until the Surface Pro 3 emerges).
I mostly use my iPad while mobile and my laptop at home. But my original iPad really doesnt have the oomph needed to properly run Logos.
I use my phone for quick Bible reading/reference for those times I do not have my tablet with me (which is most of the time when away from home unless at chruch). I can live with no Logos on my phone. I need the Windows Phone platform to support other needs. And the Surface tablet will do quite nicely for everything else.
Logos is a superb product. And I look forward to continued used (and hopefully on the Windows Phone platform someday).
Thanks for letting me. God's love and blessings to all of you
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I will not get into the numbers game because that is only a small portion of the equation plus whatever number I put out there someone on this thread will take issue with. Having been in management of a large financial institution for over 30 years I understand that many factors are taken into count when offering a new product not just one factor as seems to be the process here. As our friend from Hawaii has stated Logos has a good to very good product (which we all pay well for) and typically I would think that real research and study with the Logos program it is most likely being done on a tablet, laptop or desktop machine which is better suited than a mobile device for that type activity. I too can wait for the powers to be at Logos to make a decision about a Windows phone app. However, by that time I am quite sure I will have adapted to other products out there that will serve the purpose admirably and I will no longer desire or need the Logos product on my mobile device as my Surface Pro 2 serves that need well and I expect will for years to come. I believe this will be my last post on this subject, which some here will applaud, as I believe my position has already been covered and explained adequately. God bless one and all. [Y]
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Except for that Windows 8 has substantially larger market share than Apple's OS, which Logos does support.
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Joe Gschwandtner said:
Except for that Windows 8 has substantially larger market share than Apple's OS, which Logos does support.
Windows mobile isn't the same thing as "windows 8" for the desktop. If it were, Logos would already be able to run on such devices (L5), and there wouldn't be a need for this thread.
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Several points.
First, most of those devices that aren't running Windows 8.1 are running some previous version of Windows, not OS/X or iOS, so this is an apples to oranges comparison.
Second, Windows 8.1 for the desktop doesn't run on Windows phones, so this has little to do with the Windows phone market.
Third, the current move is towards Windows phones, rather than away. The one marketing thing Google has done right is to call their phone something other than the Google phone. If anyone starts to realize that the great data vacuum Google is behind the Android O/S, and just how much invasion of privacy is involved in using Google products, maybe they'll start to switch. But, then again, people don't generally care, and seem to be willing to install Big Brother's cameras willingly just so they can be better entertained.
Fourth, no matter how you slice is, 25 million is a lot of people. To say something "only has 1% of the market" is to say absolutely nothing in real money terms. So I reject the entire idea -- "it's only 10% of the market" means absolutely nothing. Real units count -- 25 million? There didn't even used to be 25 million PCs on the planet, much less 25 million running a single O/S. Part of the problem here is that people seem to think PC's are going away, and that since PC's are going away (being replaced by tablets), and Apple "owns" the tablet world, the future is tablets running Apple. Be careful what you wish for, because you might actually get it. No PC? Your kids won't learn to code or create in real terms, they'll only learn to consume. The coming digital divide is between those who know how to watch a movie on a tablet and those who know how to do real work on a PC. To say the PC is "dying" because people who are primarily consumers are switching from PCs to tablets is like saying the car is dying because people who primarily commute in highly dense city environments are switching to bicycles. And what set of plumbing tools can you carry on a bicycle, precisely? You can build a new house using only bicycles? I'd like to see you try -- it will be amusing, at least, to see you carrying 2x4x8's around on your shoulder while pedaling.
Market shifts happen, but beware of the chart that shows complete disappearance in a few years time. As an IT professional, I've been seeing them for the last twenty years, and the one thing I know is they're never right. Ever.
These things are always a bet. Saying, "I want the market share to be over x% before I'll invest," is saying, "I don't want to accept the risk -- let someone else take it." That's always, always, always a path to mediocrity.
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Wonderfully said and right on. Thank you! [Y]
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I suspect: 10% in the US
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Bob Pritchett said:
But Microsoft has pulled out a win from behind before. If they do it again, we'll be there to support it.
Bob, I just think Microsoft did it again here and now with Windows Phone. Don't you think it is already time to support it?
Bohuslav
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DITTO!!!
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DITTO!!!
Universal App development is here! One App tweaked to work on all of Windows (Desktop/Laptop, Tablet NT/RT, XBox, Windows Phone) http://dev.windows.com/en-us/develop/Building-universal-Windows-apps
It's time Logos to forgive and overcome bitterness, anger, disappointment, and excuses.
It's time to think of the needs of the customers and provide the excellent service that Logos has been known for.
Where there is a 'will' there is a way!
You Can Do All Things Through Christ Who Strengthens You! (Phil 4:13)
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all [a]comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds inChrist Jesus. {Phil 4:6-7)
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Bob, I just think Microsoft did it again here and now with Windows Phone. Don't you think it is already time to support it?
Is there any news?
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alabama24 said:Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Bob, I just think Microsoft did it again here and now with Windows Phone. Don't you think it is already time to support it?
Is there any news?
Nothing special I would be able to name. Just general observation of the situation from a customer point of view.
Bohuslav
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I just gave up and ditched my Windows phone for a Samsung Note 3, I must say that while I loved my windows phone the app support was just not there in crucial areas, for me the killers were Sonos, Logos and Hive (central heating control).
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Nothing special I would be able to name. Just general observation of the situation from a customer point of view.
An observation from a non-windows (except at work) user: From what I have seen, I think that the windows phone would be my "what would I get if I didn't get an iPhone" phone. Of course, that isn't going to happen, but anyways. [:D]
I haven't heard any strong market push towards the windows phone... I think it deserves a much stronger look than android phones... [:P]
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alabama24 said:Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Nothing special I would be able to name. Just general observation of the situation from a customer point of view.
An observation from a non-windows (except at work) user: From what I have seen, I think that the windows phone would be my "what would I get if I didn't get an iPhone" phone. Of course, that isn't going to happen, but anyways.
I haven't heard any strong market push towards the windows phone... I think it deserves a much stronger look than android phones...
I just had a look at Android - but for years I had used iPhones (till iPhone 4). After changing it for Nokia Lumia 820 with WP 8, I am so happy with it I would not change it for any other OS. It is simply much better then others IMHO, just not having the right market share [:)]... yet. I am sure it will come.
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Would love to see Logos come to Windows Phone 8.
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Hmm....so I guess by your logic, if one were to get up into the pulpit to preach, and there were only 2 eager people out in the pews waiting to hear the message....and hundreds of people in a packed-house church around the corner....then that preacher should leave and go to the church with "market share," because those 2 poor souls are JUST NOT WORTH OUR RESOURCES!!
Not good strategy for a disciple, Bob...
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I just found this topic after posting along similar lines in another topic. Not knowing who will read that other one about Android versus Windows, I'll post again here as this seems to be an important discussion.
Go to http://gs.statcounter.com/, select Operating System, All Platforms. Add up Windows 8 and 8.1. The latest collected statistics on internet page views show Win8 at 14%, iOS 12%, Android 17% across all devices in use over the last year. This is not reported sales or a survey. This is not 3% phone market share. This is collected statistics of what is in use. Now, it is possible that Win8 users simply do more page views, but I kind of doubt it.
So I still don't understand the "wait for market share" comment from Logos. Eventually more of those 1.5 billion Windows users will have a version of Windows that supports Windows Store Apps (the Modern UI), whether on a Phone, Tablet or Desktop. (The One Product Family, One Platform, One Store message, right?) But even now Win8 show 14% page view share for all devices. Isn't that enough to write a Logos Windows Store App? Just curious. Thanks.
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David Brown said:
Go to http://gs.statcounter.com/, select Operating System, All Platforms. Add up Windows 8 and 8.1. The latest collected statistics on internet page views show Win8 at 14%, iOS 12%, Android 17% across all devices in use over the last year. This is not reported sales or a survey. This is not 3% phone market share. This is collected statistics of what is in use. Now, it is possible that Win8 users simply do more page views, but I kind of doubt it.
There is a major problem with your understanding of those stats. They include desktop as well as mobile. [;)]
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Dear Bob
First of all I'm sad to hear that Logos will not be making an app for Windows Phone 8. I have an suggestion thou. Is it possible to make the app for Windows 8 universal? In this way is would be possible for me to read the Danish bible on my phone. Biblia.com isn't working well on the cellphone. And the download function(in the app) would be nice when I'm out of reach of data.
I'm hoping this post is being read by you and you will consider making the Windows 8/8.1 app universal.
Please do not do this because I suggest this, but because the Gospel needs to go further.
Your brother in the lord.
Christian Dyssegaard
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I love the look of the Windows Phone and the surface tablet; they both have great things going for them and as much as I love them, I'd not buy either of them thanks to 2 simple little words; "Sony Betamax."
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“Microsoft revealed fiscal second-quarter revenues that beat Wall Street expectations, but it its bottom line was hit by higher expenses including the tech titan’s restructuring plan and integration of Nokia, and an IRS audit-adjustment tax expense during the quarter.” “Big jumps in sales of its Surface tablets, cloud computing software and Lumia smartphones drove Microsoft's quarterly revenue above expectations”.
Big jumps in Surface tablets and Lumia smartphones? Does not sound like Sony Betamax to me... at least not yet.
There must be a number of people who have not received the news that Lumia and Surface are dead.
I'll continue to buy them as long as they make them. With the rapid change in technology I'm not afraid to take some risk. Something does not work out? Just buy another a little bit sooner than you might have otherwise.
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alabama24: I don't understand your point, unless you are equating mobile with computing devices.
Microsoft has 90% of the desktop market. There are over 1 billion of them running Windows. "But what if you include phones, tablets, Apple, Android, Linux, etc?” Well, around 55% of the world’s computing devices generating web traffic run Windows. Is there something to doubt about that number?
My point was that you may debate the equating of page views to devices but it has got to be close. Apple and Google do not "own" the world even if they "own" mobile.
My other point is that there is a huge Windows installed base that can run "modern apps" and Logos seems to be ignoring that base. There are other Bible software companies that are not. So I've switched away from Logos for mobile devices.
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I'm with you David. But as I see it I didn't switch from Logos for mobile devices...they dumped me a long time ago. I will stick with the program for desktop, laptop and Surface (which is a great tablet) and use alternatives for my Windows Phone which at the present time are more than adequate for the limited abilities of any smartphone when it comers to serious Bible study. Blessings.
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He is Lord!: On the phone, "Hey Cortana. Open Logos and search the NIV, Jesus BEFORE 2 WORDS Christ."
Besides Cortana integration, I would really like to see what Logos could do with a "universal app" on Windows 10. If you have the Windows 10 beta, open the Photo app and resize it and watch what happens. You will see what it will look like on a phone, tablet, or desktop, dynamically. Windows 10 beta seems stable enough on one of my tablets that I'm considering putting it on my (essential, must always work right now) desktop.
HoloLens integration would be more interesting. Talk about visualization tool...
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David Brown said:
alabama24: I don't understand your point, unless you are equating mobile with computing devices.
My point was simple, I will explain it again. The numbers you gave lumped desktop and mobile together. That statistic is worthless. What you need to show is that 1) sales of windows phone devices are actually increasing and 2) usage of windows phone devices is actually increasing.
David Brown said:My other point is that there is a huge Windows installed base that can run "modern apps" and Logos seems to be ignoring that base. There are other Bible software companies that are not.
Again, you haven't shown that! How many "windows" users is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is how many windows mobile users there are, and how much they use those devices.
The reason I mentioned "page views" earlier is because owners of iOS devices actually USE them more than owners of Android devices do... and owners of Android devices USE their devices more than owners of windows mobile devices (we aren't talking about devices running full windows). It doesn't matter if the world's entire population were to be given a windows phone for free if none of them actually used the thing.
I am not "anti" windows phone. I am not against Faithlife developing for the platform. I am just trying to help you make your case better, if there is a case to be made. Faithlife is taking a "watch and see" approach. If you have any real evidence that people are 1) buying and 2) using windows mobile phones, bring out the champaign and share it with us! [:)]
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I am with David in that debate and I just want to make sure we do not compare the number of iOS devices and Windows Phone devices since Windows tablets run Windows 8.1 so far. SO we would have to compare just iPhones and WP devices. But with coming of Windows 10 all of that is irrelevant. You have to take into account all Windows devices because people will use universal apps on all of those devices, not separated the way we have it on MAC platform (iOS and OSX etc.)
That's why I am strongly supporting the idea of having Logos as Universal Application for Windows 10 - working on all the devices. And please, don't compare Windows 10 with BETAMAX situation. We are not there - and I am convinced (at least here in Europe) will not be anytime soon.
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I don't admit to fully understanding the windows 10 universal app thing... But it sounds like you don't understand it either. If it is truly as you say, there is no need for logos to do anything! It'll just work, right? [;)] Of course, that isn't true. Even if iOS and OSX were the same OS, different apps would be required because the hardware for the mobile apps wouldn't be sufficient. The same will be true with windows. Could you imagine trying to perform even a 4 hour indexing on a phone?
i trust that Bob WILL develop for windows mobile if it makes Business sense. The guy has a soft spot for MSFT. He got his start there after all. [:)]
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I have Windows 8.1 running on a couple of Nokia Lumia 925 phones, on a Lenovo 2-in-1,on a home-built desktop, and in dual-boot mode on an old Toshiba laptop that originally came with VISTA. I do think Microsoft took a major misstep with Windows 8, not because the OS is bad (it's proved absolutely solid on all the above mentioned devices) but because they swung the pendulum way too far toward mobile devices in regard to the interface and totally missed the frustration the interface changes would have on their core desktop/laptop customers. And they have admitted it loud and clear with their decision to skip Windows 9 and go straight to 10, not to mention the free upgrade to 10 they'll be providing for all Windows 7 and 8 users.
With that out of the way, I have to say it didn't take me long at all to get used to Windows 8, and based on what I've seen so far regarding 10, when 10 comes out I think Microsoft will have accomplished a major course correction and regained the approval of their user base. I very much like my Windows phone and I like the Windows OS. I've had an Apple desktop in the past and we currently have an Apple laptop in the house. The OS on the desktop was the worst OS I've ever used--I got so tired of seeing that little "bomb" icon pop up doing mundane tasks, and then having to pull the desktop out away from the wall to do a hard reset using a button on the back of the machine. The laptop has been fine, but honestly, I just don't understand all the fuss over the Apple OS. I haven't had any issues with the Apple OS laptop, but then, over many years, I've run almost every version of Windows that Microsoft produced (and several versions of DOS before that) and I have NEVER, NEVER, EVER, EVER had a single OS or application problem with ANY version of the OS on ANY of the numerous machines I've had.
I'm not at all an Apple basher. I have friends and relatives who love their Apple devices and I'm happy for them. [:)] I just don't personally see Apple devices as superior to Windows based machines and can't justify the higher price they demand. I sincerely hope the Windows phone is here to stay, but I don't think it's going to be easy for Microsoft to gain market share. To make it happen, I think they're going to have to do a lot of things nearly perfect AND offer some very aggressive pricing--otherwise the Apple and Android based users will have no reason to consider leaving platforms they're comfortable and satisfied with, even IF the Windows OS has more to offer.
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alabama24 said:
I don't admit to fully understanding the windows 10 universal app thing... But it sounds like you don't understand it either. If it is truly as you say, there is no need for logos to do anything! It'll just work, right?
Of course, that isn't true. Even if iOS and OSX were the same OS, different apps would be required because the hardware for the mobile apps wouldn't be sufficient. The same will be true with windows. Could you imagine trying to perform even a 4 hour indexing on a phone?i trust that Bob WILL develop for windows mobile if it makes Business sense. The guy has a soft spot for MSFT. He got his start there after all.
I certainly do not understand all about it but one thing what I hope I understand is the way universal apps should work, and that is on all devices of the Windows 10 platform - from small phones to big Surface Hubs. Of course it does not mean that any PC traditional software would work on the phones. It would not make sense. But it means (and some of that already works now in the Technical Preview through the Beta Store) that apps from the Store that work on Lumia (or any WP 8 phone), will work eventually also on the tablets and notebooks etc. So, the point is, that writing the universal application for Windows 10 platform will not be limited just for Lumias etc. users but will be useful addition as a simple Logos reader on tablets and even notebooks.
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