V. 5.2 SR-4 (5.2.0.0110) Text Selection Still Has Bug

BillS

Repeatable in each book in which I've tested it:

Select a word.

Press shift-key & use mouse to extend the word through the end of the paragraph.

Release mouse & shift key.

Part (varying) of the initial word selected is no longer selected.

SMART TEXT SELECTION SETTING IS SET TO OFF.

Allen Browne

Hi Bill

I don't have a solution for you, but just to let you know I can't reproduce the behavior you are experiencing. I'm using the same version (and with smart text selection turned off), but the first word selected remains selected after extending it with Shift+click.

Hopefully whatever solves the crash issue you posted in a separate thread also solves this one.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562665#Comment_562665

Allen Browne said:

Hi Bill

...I'm using the same version (and with smart text selection turned off), but the first word selected remains selected after extending it with Shift+click.

Hopefully whatever solves the crash issue you posted in a separate thread also solves this one.

Hi Allen,

Thanks for the response! OK, so I tried restarting L5 (no change) & then rebooting (since I hadn't done so since the crashes). Same behavior. In NIV's Romans 2 (or any other resource), here's what happens (though it's sometimes more characters that get dropped). I think I've figured out why you didn't see it. I don't think I remembered to say I was using right-click to select the 1st word. If I do, repeatable. If I select a word with left-click, I get the results you saw.


Here's how to reproduce the error:1st right click to select "things":

Then press shift & mouse click several lines down to extend the selection:

Notice that 1st 2 characters of "things" are no longer selected.

Is this repeatable on your system?

Allen Browne

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562671#Comment_562671

Ok, Bill. I can see this.

It depends exactly where the right-click the first word. If you right-click on the i of things, the right-click extends the section forward to the end of the word and backward to the beginning (selecting the whole word). Then a Shift-click extends the selection not from the whole word but from where your selection began (as in your screenshot above). However, if we point precisely to the beginning of the t in things, the extended selection works as you expect.

This sort-of makes sense. If you select the word things backwards (starting after the s, and selecting back to the t), the entire word things then becomes unselected when you extend the selection, i.e. your selection then begins with the comma after the word. It's like the end of the word is considered as the start of the selection if you select backwards. Microsoft Word behaves this way as well.

Does that make sense of what you are seeing?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562671#Comment_562671

BillS said:

I don't think I remembered to say I was using right-click to select the 1st word. If I do, repeatable.

It is repeatable. The characters dropped are on the left of the mouse pointer where you right clicked the word.

But why do it when you get a big menu box in the way of your possible range? It's not a bug.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562685#Comment_562685

Allen Browne said:

It depends exactly where the right-click the first word. If you right-click on the i of things, the right-click extends the section forward to the end of the word and backward to the beginning (selecting the whole word). Then a Shift-click extends the selection not from the whole word but from where your selection began (as in your screenshot above). However, if we point precisely to the beginning of the t in things, the extended selection works as you expect.

Ah! You're right. Same here. Now that I know how to control it, I can live with it.... maybe it's a "feature" more than a bug (as Dave H suggests), but it's still counterintuitive behavior given that the extension isn't from what's selected. That said, I can live with it. :-)

Thanks!

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562699#Comment_562699

Dave Hooton said:

But why do it when you get a big menu box in the way of your possible range?

Arthritis & RSI in both wrists/hands. I don't have to hold a mouse button down in order to drag the selection (felt much more in my fingers & wrists than is clicking left-click + shift key). Two single clicks get the entire text selected. Hitting escape to clear the context menu is a small price to pay. [:)]

Blessing!

Chris Culy (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/562780#Comment_562780

Bill, as a tip, you can accomplish the same thing without getting the context menu and having to dismiss it with the escape key . If you left-click where you want your selection to begin and then hold Shift and left-click where you want the end of the selection to be, it should accomplish the same thing. The only difference is that it won't look like you're selecting anything until you left-click the second time. Note: this also works in most other software applications as well (web browsers, word processors, etc.).

Hope that helps!

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/563028#Comment_563028

Chris Culy (Logos) said:

Bill, as a tip, you can accomplish the same thing without getting the context menu and having to dismiss it with the escape key . If you left-click where you want your selection to begin and then hold Shift and left-click where you want the end of the selection to be, it should accomplish the same thing. The only difference is that it won't look like you're selecting anything until you left-click the second time. Note: this also works in most other software applications as well (web browsers, word processors, etc.).

Hope that helps!

Hi Chris,

I appreciate your response! Actually I knew that. In case you wonder why I chose to do it that way, I'm on study leave right now using L5 (tablet proved too slow) to highlight the text I'd have underlined if I were doing a traditional book study. And I'm working at it up to 16hr a day for the 2 weeks of the study. So I'm trying to avoid holding a mouse button down long enough to select all the text---especially since I'm still reading & trying decide exactly how much I want to highlight. The RSI- / arthritis- friendly version of mousing for a text selection is to START by right-clicking on it. Escape to clear the context menu is still a small price to pay for not having to press or hold any other button (mouse or keyboard) until final determination of how much text to select. Then only, press shift + left-click to extend the selection. Try it. You'll be amazed at how much less work that is on your wrists & hands.

I clarify not to correct you but as a blessing to anyone else who struggles with hand/wrist pain. [:)]

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/563085#Comment_563085

BillS said:

So I'm trying to avoid holding a mouse button down long enough

Chris didn't say to hold the mouse button down. [:)]

His proposed technique was: left click (release the button!) then Shift+Left-Click where you want the selection to end. (You only need to press the Shift key for that second click.)

This saves you from having to press Esc to clear the context menu. [:)]

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/563094#Comment_563094

Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:

Chris didn't say to hold the mouse button down. 

His proposed technique was: left click (release the button!) then Shift+Left-Click where you want the selection to end. (You only need to press the Shift key for that second click.)

This saves you from having to press Esc to clear the context menu. 

Ah! Got it, & that works!

Chris, Bradley, & Logos folks, THANKS for your persistent efforts to help us. You folks are the best!

Blessings to you!