RIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLLSqpYyPD8
Dead at 85.
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gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Did she love and serve Jesus? Do tell - someone.
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If I understand George correctly, Shirley and George were from the same tradition. Unfortunately for Shirley, she didn't achieve the magic of '39' (one of George's many talents).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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JoshInRI said:
Did she love and serve Jesus? Do tell - someone.
Most likely since she was a Republican (conservative too).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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What tradition would that be? I'm curious.
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George Somsel said:JoshInRI said:
Did she love and serve Jesus? Do tell - someone.
Most likely since she was a Republican (conservative too).
Not sure if sarcasm.... [^o)]
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Mitchell said:
Not sure if sarcasm....
Not at all. Jesus said: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a Democrat to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Also, "Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the liberals and Democrats, you shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven." [:D]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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What does RIP even mean to a Christian?
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I can't speak for George but I think he might be referring to her as a Republican because she (unsuccessfully) ran for Congress in 1967 on the Republican ticket and served as an ambassador to the now Czech Republic under the first Bush presidency.
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George Somsel said:Mitchell said:
Not sure if sarcasm....
Not at all. Jesus said: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a Democrat to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Also, "Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the liberals and Democrats, you shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
Hang on, let me whip out my Conservative Bible Translation... yup, that's about right.
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I think George's second quote is the real toughie. Camel-squeezing is pretty routine these days.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Using adventure and community to challenge young people to continually say "yes" to God
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"I stopped believing in Santa Claus when I was six. Mother took me to see him in a department store and he asked for my autograph." ~ Shirley Temple
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Selected deliberately....innocence celebrated in a world where its so rare.
On the good ship
Lollipop
Its a sweet trip
To the candy shop
Where bon-bon's play,
On the sunny beach
Of peppermint bay
Lemonade stands,
Everywhere
Crackerjack bands,
Fill the air,
And there you are,
Happy landings on a chocolate bar.
See the sugar bowl
Do a tootsie rollGood Night Shirley...I Hope Peppermint Bay is a treat for you and no one in heaven who matters deeply to you asks you for an autograph [<:o)]
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Shirley Temple's films have to be judged in light of the times in which they were made. They were very entertaining, but they reflected the values and time in which they were made - just like films made today.
Obviously, any film made in the 1930's or 1940's would reflect the racism that was a part of that time. One could hardly expect a child - even a child movie star - to control that. Anyone who would judge her on that is just - well they are.
But her films were applauded for lifting up the spirit of American during the Great Depression by President Franklin Roosevelt.
And Shirley grew up. She served as a delegate to the United Nations, U.S. Ambassador to Ghana, the first female Chief of Protocol issues for all US embassies, and ambassador to Czechoslovakia. She was involved is supporting a number of charitable causes. That is pretty impressive record of public service.
In 1972 she overcame breast cancer, and she became one of the first women to speak openly about the disease. Her article in McCall's magazine encouraged women to be aware of this disease, called for more research, and changed attitudes. It may well have saved the lives of many women.
As to her relationship with Jesus Christ, that is above my pay grade to judge. The Lord himself will judge that for her and for me and you, too.
I never saw her films in a theater, as they predate my birth. But I appreciate her work, and have enjoyed her films on TV with my grandchildren. I especially loved "The Little Princess" and "Heidi".
I pray for comfort and peace for her family, and all who loved her. I remain a Shirley Temple fan.
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Michael Childs said:
Shirley Temple's films have to be judged in light of the times in which they were made. They were very entertaining, but they reflected the values and time in which they were made - just like films made today.
Obviously, any film made in the 1930's or 1940's would reflect the racism that was a part of that time. One could hardly expect a child - even a child movie star - to control that. Anyone who would judge her on that is just - well they are.
You're jumping to conclusions which don't appear to be valid in this case. See the first page of her obituary in the LA Times regarding Bojangles.
http://www.latimes.com/obituaries/la-me-shirley-temple-black-20140211,0,1264780.story#axzz2t0xALTlF
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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It took a while to figure out why her passing made such an impact on George. Now I have it. She was 39 also ! [:)]
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Paul C said:
It took a while to figure out why her passing made such an impact on George. Now I have it. She was 39 also ! [:)]
Let's get something straight here: I'm only 38. [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I thought you said that a few years ago...George Somsel said:Let's get something straight here: I'm only 38.
Oh. [:O]
Nevermind.[:$]
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George Somsel said:Michael Childs said:
Shirley Temple's films have to be judged in light of the times in which they were made. They were very entertaining, but they reflected the values and time in which they were made - just like films made today.
Obviously, any film made in the 1930's or 1940's would reflect the racism that was a part of that time. One could hardly expect a child - even a child movie star - to control that. Anyone who would judge her on that is just - well they are.
You're jumping to conclusions which don't appear to be valid in this case. See the first page of her obituary in the LA Times regarding Bojangles.
http://www.latimes.com/obituaries/la-me-shirley-temple-black-20140211,0,1264780.story#axzz2t0xALTlF
Yes, you are right. I should have been clearer about to whom I was responding. I had heard that morning on television a number of remarks attacking her movies as "racist" and pretty much attacking her personally, as though a child was responsible for the racism of a country in the 1930's. And I was concerned that many people just accepted that as their image of Shirley Temple. I should have made it clear that I was not accusing anyone on the forum of such an attitude. I also wanted to call attention to the considerable public service of Shirley, when many "child stars" never seem to grow up.
That is an excellent obituary. Thanks for the link.
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