Offer PayPal as a payment option
Please offer PayPal as a payment option. I have been using it for years with no issue. For those of us who choose not to have credit cards, there should be a simple way to pay for materials. I have had to mail checks in and wait — what a downer. When a good sale or something comes along, it would be nice to just jump on the bandwagon and start reading, etc. (I'm trying to give you more money — won't you help me?)
With all the resources you have in your catalogue, and how spendy some of them are, it is difficult to see the business sense in eschewing ANY payment method. I write this as a business owner myself.
Just my two shekel's worth. But seriously, get PayPal. Please.
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Could you not get a Visa Debit Card from your bank, its accepted everywhere a visa card is, but the funds come directly from your account, so no interest, no monthly fee etc. (here in uk)
I think Paypal also do one themselves
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What about using a paypal debit card?
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I'd like to second (third?) the Paypal option. Seriously.
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Ben said:
I'd like to second (third?) the Paypal option. Seriously.
PayPal charges sellers a fee to use their service. They also prohibit sellers from passing that fee on to buyers.
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Super.Tramp said:Ben said:
I'd like to second (third?) the Paypal option. Seriously.
PayPal charges sellers a fee to use their service. They also prohibit sellers from passing that fee on to buyers.
Yes, but plenty of sellers decide it makes good business sense to use it anyway, because it opens up their products/services to a whole class of users who wouldn't buy them otherwise. People who are fundamentally opposed to using a credit card. Debit card is indeed an option, but some people like it that PayPal is the only payment method they need online. It's easier to keep track of expenditures if they're all coming from one account.
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Super.Tramp said:
PayPal charges sellers a fee to use their service. They also prohibit sellers from passing that fee on to buyers.
All the major credit cards charge sellers a fee as well, not sure of your point.
American Express 2%-3.5%
MasterCard, Visa 2%
PayPal 2.9%
Super.Tramp said:They also prohibit sellers from passing that fee on to buyers.
Not true - no way to police that. It is well known that retailers raise their prices to cover credit card fees. I think you might mean AMEX members cannot offer incentives to customers to use other credit cards that have lower processing fees, which is true (and is currently being challenged in court and being reviewed by US government as anti-competitive practice)
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Super.Tramp said:
PayPal charges sellers a fee to use their service. They also prohibit sellers from passing that fee on to buyers.
Credit card companies do the same with an interchange fee (merchant fee) which is ultimately passed on as higher prices. Plus, with PayPal you are given the opportunity, at times, to pay off larger purchases over an extended period with no interest.
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Scott E. Mahle said:
[Y] [Y] especially overseas (in so remote regions as Africa, large parts of Asia, and Germany) credit cards are not common among the people, not even pastors or students, but they all do Paypal.
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I have a Premium Business membership with PayPal and that is what they told me concerning eBay. PayPal is not regulated by the government. If you use their service you must agree to and abide by their terms of use.Don Awalt said:Not true - no way to police that. It is well known that retailers raise their prices to cover credit card fees.
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Super.Tramp said:
I have a Premium Business membership with PayPal and that is what they told me concerning eBay. PayPal is not regulated by the government. If you use their service you must agree to and abide by their terms of use.
This just prevents me from charging you one price without PayPal and another price when using PayPal. Since they all charge fees, there is no violation if I just raise my prices 5% across the board.
Unrelated, the government has been going after the credit card companies to clean up restrictive practices for a long time. You can be they will go after PayPal too once they get the credit card companies in line.
"Unregulated by the government" - Comcast used to say that :-)
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Super.Tramp said:
PayPal charges sellers a fee to use their service.
So do credit card companies. I think 4% is the industry standard.
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I have had trouble with PayPal, had to get my bank invoked and will not touch this service ever again. I hope you continue to have no problems Brian, but I personally can not recommend this as a safe method of payment.
Brian Knapp said:Please offer PayPal as a payment option. I have been using it for years with no issue. For those of us who choose not to have credit cards, there should be a simple way to pay for materials. I have had to mail checks in and wait — what a downer. When a good sale or something comes along, it would be nice to just jump on the bandwagon and start reading, etc. (I'm trying to give you more money — won't you help me?)
With all the resources you have in your catalogue, and how spendy some of them are, it is difficult to see the business sense in eschewing ANY payment method. I write this as a business owner myself.
Just my two shekel's worth. But seriously, get PayPal. Please.
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Don Awalt said:
Unrelated, the government has been going after the credit card companies to clean up restrictive practices for a long time. You can be they will go after PayPal too once they get the credit card companies in line.
I look forward to that day. PayPal has some very unfair practices. Once they gain access to your bank account, they can ruin you. They never lose money in any dispute.
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I have money I can spend in my Paypal, that I cannot spend on a credit card. My wife watches the credit card account, but doesn't care what I do with the money I earn that comes into Paypal.
Ergo, if I cannot pay with Paypal, Logos does not get that money."The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Ben said:
Ergo, if I cannot pay with Paypal, Logos does not get that money.
I am all for you having the option to pay by PayPal. I just don't like PP and understand if Faithlife chooses not to use them.
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Super.Tramp said:
Once they gain access to your bank account, they can ruin you.
I have never been aware of them taking advantage of that bank account access to do nefarious things. I didn't use to trust giving any company access to my bank account (e.g., my utility companies, to draw my monthly payment out automatically). But in Europe they'd been doing such things for years, and we started doing it more and more over here too, so I gradually took a leap of faith. The convenience is great. But I do rely on my government to protect me from businesses gone amok. Not that the government is perfect either. But I believe in checks and balances. If we hold them accountable and they hold businesses accountable, then there's less likelihood of fraud all around.
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Super.Tramp said:
I look forward to that day. PayPal has some very unfair practices. Once they gain access to your bank account, they can ruin you. They never lose money in any dispute.
Sorry you have had bad experiences with PP. I have used it since soon after its inception and have never had any problems. I appreciated the fact that it allows me to avoid entering account numbers etc. when paying for things like my anti-virus software, magazine subscriptions et. al. Until your comment, I'd not heard of anyone having any problems with them. They are very quick to correct vendor errors.
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I would definitely support Paypal as a payment alternative to my credit card.
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MJ. Smith said:
Sorry you have had bad experiences with PP. I have used it since soon after its inception and have never had any problems. I appreciated the fact that it allows me to avoid entering account numbers etc. when paying for things like my anti-virus software, magazine subscriptions et. al. Until your comment, I'd not heard of anyone having any problems with them. They are very quick to correct vendor errors.
I've not had any problems using them to make payments. It was only as a seller that I discovered how much control they get.
If Faithlife will use PayPal, then great. Dr Mounce uses PayPal on his Biblical Training Institute website so I guess it works for some people.
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I would very much like the option for PayPal - even if it is just for new purchases rather than PrePub / Payment Plans [Y]
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Frankly I would rather see them spend time and money on other things.
I despise paypal (and I don't use that term loosely).
PLUS all of you clamoring for Logos to accept paypal can simply get a paypal debit/visa/checkcard/mastercard, and pay with that if you must.
Rather than go into a detailed explanation of my issue with paypal, I suggest you google paypal, non-profit, and donations. They simply take peoples money, and you have no recourse to get it back because its all done within the rules of the agreement you sign.
They only snagged a small amount of my money (~200$), well money that belonged to a legitment non-profit under a 501.3c that I was responsible for at the time. But needless to say only a little theft is required for trust to be destroyed.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
all of you clamoring for Logos to accept paypal can simply get a paypal debit/visa/checkcard/mastercard, and pay with that if you must.
Actually "all of you" in this thread and others before may include people from other continents living in countries where there are no paypal cards or even no credit cards at all available (I remember testing dummy CC numbers to advise users from developing countries to even get the free resources). And in many other countries, even in Europe, credit cards and debit cards are very uncommon, even among students.
And while I'm perfectly fine to trust Logos with my Amex data, others may not be. And even first time customers from your place won't be willing to go out and "simply get a XYZ card" in order to complete a transaction. Paypal currently is the payment method on the internet and I'm sure Logos loses sales (and they probably even have a statistic of abandonded shopping carts) with not accepting it.
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abondservant, if I read your post correctly you are using the term "theft" to refer to actions done "within the rules of the agreement you sign". You may be appropriately upset at something they have done but it sounds like you are coming very close to off-topic defamation which from some articles I have read recently, some companies are beginning to respond to - harshly.
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I appreciate you looking out for me MJ.
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One of Faithlife's competitors has just now started to accept Paypal.
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I still have a dour view towards paypal. I earnestly hope no one trusts them with any amount of money that they can't afford to lose.
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Paypal? Meh.
But I wouldn't mind a 2 or 3% discount from FL for a cash transaction like a check or, better yet, an EFT via online BillPay through my bank.
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abondservant said:
I still have a dour view towards paypal. I earnestly hope no one trusts them with any amount of money that they can't afford to lose.
I don't trust them. They will never have access to any of my accounts ever again. Sincerely hope Logos does not go down the road of offering this service as a payment option. Allowing a third party to be involved in the transaction only increases the risks.
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I would also use paypal if it was accepted by logos. I have money sitting in my paypal account just waiting for a good opportunity.
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PayPal is now accepted as a payment option on logos.com (for international customers only).
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There is no such thing as a transaction which doesn't involve a third party. Merchant services of some sort are used in the processing of every credit card purchase.
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Brian Knapp said:
There is no such thing as a transaction which doesn't involve a third party. Merchant services of some sort are used in the processing of every credit card purchase.
I may have used the wrong terminology in using the simple description of "third party' but this does not change the fact Pay Pal can not be trusted I would not recommend their service to anyone that values the security of their bank accounts.
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PayPal is now accepted as a payment option on logos.com (for international customers only).
Woohoo!
Is there an announcement thread somewhere that I've missed so far?
EDIT: As an international customer, why can't I add Paypal as an option on logos.com in my account settings?
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Paypal can only be set up on an account as part of a transaction. Once that is done, the PayPal billing method shows up in your Billing & Shipping profile.
To set it up as part of a transaction, you need to add a new billing method during checkout.
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Glenn Airoldi said:
Paypal can only be set up on an account as part of a transaction.
Thank you for explaining.
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