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Place Your Bid on Moffatt’s New Testament Commentary Series
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Right now, you can get the best price on the Moffatt New Testament Commentary Series. It’s on Community Pricing, and the current bid is only $30—that’s 83% off!
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Floyd Johnson said:
http://blog.logos.com/2014/02/place-your-bid-on-moffatts-new-testament-commentary-series/
Place Your Bid on Moffatt’s New Testament Commentary Series
Tayler Beede | Thu, February 13, 2014 |
Right now, you can get the best price on the Moffatt New Testament Commentary Series. It’s on Community Pricing, and the current bid is only $30—that’s 83% off!
Peace, Floyd! It's "over" already! Great! Now ............. we need to drive the price down! *smile*
How Low could this great offering go?
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Great series, at a great price.
Yours In Christ
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Hard to believe we're going to get Moffatt's nt commentary for $30 or less [<:o)]
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JPH said:
Hard to believe we're going to get Moffatt's nt commentary for $30 or less
It even has a good chance of making $24!
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I'm in on this one but, why is the 1 Corinthians not included as part of this set?
The 1st Corinthians volume is $20.95 and not included... [^o)]
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Logos what about the missing 1 Corinthians volume will we just have to buy that one alone, or will this be added?
I would really like this answered.
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Lee Garrison said:
Logos what about the missing 1 Corinthians volume will we just have to buy that one alone, or will this be added?
I would really like this answered.
Lee I would think it will not be added to set before it goes live. The 1 Cor commentary has already been through community pricing as part of the classic commentaries bundle on 1 Corinthians. It would be an extremely generous move for thba include it as part of this community pricing bundle.
Of course I don't speak for Lgoos, so hopefully they will answer your question soon.
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Lee Garrison said:
The 1st Corinthians volume is $20.95 and not included...
Nor (unless I'm going blind) is there any sign of a volume on Thessalonians. Contrary to the claims made by Logos, this is hardly "the entire New Testament"
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Yeah, Carson says that the one on Thessalonians is 'still worth scanning', but no sign of it here.
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It's down to £14 now (or $24)...Maybe it can go down further because it has another week.
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After looking into Moffatt's Bible which the commentaries are based. I am questioning if this is a resource that I really want at all.
This link has detailed information that others may want to also look at. http://www.bible-researcher.com/moffatt.html the below is a small section.
Moffatt produced his translation of the New Testament while he was serving as Professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Oxford, and its reception was so favorable (in the more liberal churches) that he undertook the Old Testament in order to produce a complete Bible. The version is highly colloquial, and allows the reader to quickly follow the progress of thought in many passages (especially in the Epistles) where a more literal rendering makes for difficult going. But Moffatt’s version was controversial in several respects. His preface put forth skeptical views concerning the truthfulness of the Bible. In the Old Testament he indicated by the use of different type fonts the hypothetical source documents of the Pentateuch (J, E, P, D), and frequently rearranged passages according to his idea of how they might have originally stood. For the New Testament he used the Greek text of Hermann von Soden, which was generally regarded as an eccentric text, and he often substituted conjectural emendations for the text of both Testaments. In the New Testament alone he adopts some thirty conjectures unsupported by any manuscripts. The translation throughout was highly readable, but often embodied interpretations that were objectionable to some. Roman Catholics and Lutherans were especially offended with Matthew 26:26, “Take and eat this, it means my body.” Moffatt later served as executive secretary of the committee of translators for the Revised Standard Version.
What do others think of his Commentary? Thank You for looking into this.
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I am in. Thanks for calling this to my attention.
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Lee Garrison said:
After looking into Moffatt's Bible which the commentaries are based. I am questioning if this is a resource that I really want at all.
This link has detailed information that others may want to also look at. http://www.bible-researcher.com/moffatt.html the below is a small section.
Moffatt produced his translation of the New Testament while he was serving as Professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Oxford, and its reception was so favorable (in the more liberal churches) that he undertook the Old Testament in order to produce a complete Bible. The version is highly colloquial, and allows the reader to quickly follow the progress of thought in many passages (especially in the Epistles) where a more literal rendering makes for difficult going. But Moffatt’s version was controversial in several respects. His preface put forth skeptical views concerning the truthfulness of the Bible. In the Old Testament he indicated by the use of different type fonts the hypothetical source documents of the Pentateuch (J, E, P, D), and frequently rearranged passages according to his idea of how they might have originally stood. For the New Testament he used the Greek text of Hermann von Soden, which was generally regarded as an eccentric text, and he often substituted conjectural emendations for the text of both Testaments. In the New Testament alone he adopts some thirty conjectures unsupported by any manuscripts. The translation throughout was highly readable, but often embodied interpretations that were objectionable to some. Roman Catholics and Lutherans were especially offended with Matthew 26:26, “Take and eat this, it means my body.” Moffatt later served as executive secretary of the committee of translators for the Revised Standard Version.
What do others think of his Commentary? Thank You for looking into this.
Lee,
I understand and share some of your concerns. Few are more conservative than I in regard to the inspiration and authority of the Scripture.
However, buying Dr. Moffatt's commentary doesn't mean that I am buying in to all of his theology. I benefit greatly from works by people with whom I disagree about much of their theology. (William Barclay or N. T. Wright would be examples of scholars with whom I have some pretty significant disagreements, but I have been greatly benefited by their work. John MacArthur's dispensationalism is another example, but that doesn't make me want to get rid of my MacArthur commentaries.)
A scholar like Dr. Moffatt has much knowledge and insight to offer. He is also one who has had much influence upon the literature relating to many New Testament books. He is often referred to by other commentators. So I am interested in his opinions.
I am secure enough in what I believe not feel threatened when I read him, and to take what is good and leave the rest. I don't mind thinking about arguments and theories with which I disagree. And so far, I have not moved much towards a more liberal position.
I think it is good to be aware of a scholar's theological position. But what is the point of only reading people with whom I agree. I already know what I think. (I am not saying that is what you are calling for. It is just why I am interested in Moffatt's commentaries at this price.)
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Hello Michael
Yes I am conservative, and very concerned with the inspired and authority of the Scripture.
I am just watchful of false teaching because of the days we are living in.
You make some good points. It is not that I feel threatened either, and if we are digging for gold we must move many other rocks out of the way.
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Stephen Davey of Colonial Baptist and wisdomonline.org once said that when you're eating an orange, eat the fruit and spit the seeds. I take this approach to reading most anyone. I think if we were honest we'd say there are very few people that we agree with 100%.
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I had not read Von Soden was so eccentric. https://www.logos.com/product/15705/von-soden-greek-new-testament
I suspect, though, there'd be some agreement on the apparatus to his apparatus being very eccentric.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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It's now $22...Do I hear $20? [:)]
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Paul C said:
It's now $22...Do I hear $20?
Great, Paul! Did you notice that Logos now has $1.00 increments for this "offering"!
Thank you, Logos! Much appreciated! I think it will go well below $20.00 with these increments!
Peace to all! *smile*
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Did you notice that Logos now has $1.00 increments for this "offering"!
Great!
Milford Charles Murray said:I think it will go well below $20.00 with these increments!
I think you may be right! This is too good of a deal for people to miss.
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Any recommendations on this? https://www.logos.com/product/37622/james-moffatt-new-testament-studies-collection It's Moffatt and that should do (I think) but I'd like to know a little bit more about it. I'd prefer the commentaries (which I have my bid on it), but I was wondering about this other set. Any info on it will be greatly appreciated.
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I think maybe it will end at $18.00 who is with me?
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
Lee I would think it will not be added to set before it goes live.
That's correct. The 1 Corinthians volume will be added once the rest of the set has cleared community pricing.
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While people are salavating over $18, if you were lucky to get the CP Ramsay series, don't forget
The volume demonstrates (a) Moffatt definitely affected Ramsay's ability to sleep soundly at night and (b) if you love Papias, you'll love Moffatt!
Ramsay just had trouble finding anything conceivably agreeable with Moffatt; it's definitely entertaining (and interesting) reading.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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RayDeck3 said:
That's correct. The 1 Corinthians volume will be added once the rest of the set has cleared community pricing.
And what about Thessalonians which is conspicuous by its absence? [:(]
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Denise said:
While people are salavating over $18, if you were lucky to get the CP Ramsay series, don't forget
The volume demonstrates (a) Moffatt definitely affected Ramsay's ability to sleep soundly at night and (b) if you love Papias, you'll love Moffatt!
Ramsay just had trouble finding anything conceivably agreeable with Moffatt; it's definitely entertaining (and interesting) reading.
Denise
Thank you for that link. Discovered I had it in my library and consulted a few paragraphs. Convinced me to save the $18 for something more useful [:D]
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Peace, Denise! Well-Done indeed! Very helpful! I wouldn't even have looked for this work, much less found it, much less appreciated it!!! Thanks so very much! *smile* How on earth did you happen to put that together???!!!
Definitely entertaining and interesting ... yes!
Denise said:While people are salavating over $18, if you were lucky to get the CP Ramsay series, don't forget
The volume demonstrates (a) Moffatt definitely affected Ramsay's ability to sleep soundly at night and (b) if you love Papias, you'll love Moffatt!
Ramsay just had trouble finding anything conceivably agreeable with Moffatt; it's definitely entertaining (and interesting) reading.
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Denise said:
While people are salavating over $18, if you were lucky to get the CP Ramsay series, don't forget
The volume demonstrates (a) Moffatt definitely affected Ramsay's ability to sleep soundly at night and (b) if you love Papias, you'll love Moffatt!
Ramsay just had trouble finding anything conceivably agreeable with Moffatt; it's definitely entertaining (and interesting) reading.
Thanks Denise. I'll start reading this once I finish another book I am reading. I'm still in for Moffatt CP at this point. With any writer, to paraphrase what someone recently said, it's like eating watermelon, you have to spit out the seeds while enjoying the fruit. If it was at a higher price point I might reconsider it.
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Can you give us an example of their disagreements?
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Evan Boardman said:
Can you give us an example of their disagreements?
Peace, Evan! *smile* I have no idea at this time who is right and/or who is wrong; however, I get the impression that Ramsay didn't appreciate Moffat real much ...
The first quote here comes from an article I found on the internet ...
The second quote is a Logos Resource, the one Denise mentioned ...
Hope this is helpful, eh?!
Revelation.
W. Ward Gasque, Sir William M. Ramsay: Archaeologist and New Testament Scholar. A Survey of His
Contribution to the Study of the New Testament. Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1966. pp.95.
[p.56]
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POTPOURRI
Ramsay had a flair for denouncing scholars with whom he disagreed and who he felt were
absolutely at odds with the facts. In this aspect of his life he belonged more to a bygone age
than to the modern. When he wishes to emphasize the absurdity of his opponent’s position, he
heaps up sarcasm to a degree surpassed only by some of the Protestant Reformers. He
confesses on more than one occasion his debt to German scholarship and his great admiration
for men of the stature of Theodor Mommsen; at the same time he finds himself constantly at
odds with the radical conclusions of many of the German critics. To say that he was not
always unemotional in his criticism of some of the tendencies of German scholarship is an
understatement. However, his judgment upon his fellow Britishers who failed to do original
work and tended merely to mimic the most recent (and sometimes the not-so-recent) opinions
of Continental scholarship was even more severe. In one place he apologizes for making such
frequent reference to German works, but he then goes on to defend himself with the
observation that some scholars will not believe anything unless it is written in German.
Elsewhere he muses that some scholars seem to have imputed that same quality of inerrancy
to a certain group of German critics which our grandparents reserved for the Bible!
In 1910, James Moffatt published An Introduction to the Literature of the New Testament1 as
the successor of his earlier work, The Historical New Testament.2 His new Introduction
[p.57]
was warmly received by the scholarly world in Britain, as were most of Moffatt’s multifarious
writings, even though he was much less traditional in his views than the typical British
scholar. There was one notable exception to this generally friendly reception: Sir William
Mitchell Ramsay! Ramsay, who was in Asia Minor at the time, exploded in a series of articles
in The Expositor which should never have been written―certainly not in the tone in which
they were written. These essays were published in book form in 1911 as The First Christian
Century: Notes on Dr. Moffatt’s Introduction to the Literature of the New Testament, and so
the greatest blemish to Ramsay’s reputation as a scholar was immortalized.
Ramsay said that he could at least pardon the viewpoint of the earlier work as the attempt of a
brilliant―but inexperienced―“young scholar,” but to be guilty of putting the same general
ideas into print ten years later was unforgivable. He had hoped that Moffatt’s later work
would have shown a greater maturity, but he was keenly disappointed. Several quotations
illustrate the tone of his review. “I can detect no broadening of the outlook, no deepening of
the sympathy, little sign of growing independence of thought. The book is antiquated, as if it
belonged to the nineteenth century.”3 “To put my opinion in a sentence, I should say that the
author never reaches the historical point of view; he never shows any comprehension of the
1 (New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons 1911).
2 Edinburgh: T. and T. Clark, 1901).
3 FCC, pp. 3-4.
W. Ward Gasque, Sir William M. Ramsay: Archaeologist and New Testament Scholar. A Survey of His
Contribution to the Study of the New Testament. Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1966. pp.95.
way in which great events work themselves out.”4 The work “savours too much of flippant
journalism”5; it is “indicative of the literary rather than the historical temperament.”6 And so
on.
Rather than give a detailed and thoroughly scholarly critique of Moffatt’s work, Ramsay was
content to snake a few general criticisms and a few more incidental criticisms. The result was
inconclusive, and Ramsay was the injured one rather than Moffatt. Even the conservative
scholar, James Denney, felt compelled to comment:
I find Sir W. M. Ramsay on Moffatt too discursive and irrelevant, and even in the ordinary
sense too impertinent to be very pleasant or profitable reading. What right has he to lecture
Moffatt as he does? I agree with him that Moffatt is wrong about the Papias tradition, but if
one may say so, he has a right to be wrong;
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XII. The Growth of a Miracle
From page 539 I quote a sentence or two that are fairly typical of the general tone of Dr. Moffatt’s work. He is speaking of the raising of Lazarus and of the (to him) very suspicious silence of the other Gospels about “so stupendous and critical an episode”; and he says, “The miracle … is an illustration of the profound truth that Jesus is the source of life eternal in a dead world, and that the resurrection is not, as the popular faith of the Church imagined (John 11:24), something which takes place at the last day, but the reception of Christ’s living Spirit.… Whether more than this religious motive, operating on the Lucan material, is necessary to explain the story, remains one of the historical problems of the Gospel.”
Then the Author quotes an explanation of the way in which this false tale about Lazarus was probably concocted. “The whole evidence points strongly to the conclusion that the Evangelist, using some tradition to us unknown, and the Synoptic material mentioned, elaborated them freely into a narrative designed to be at once (a) an astounding manifestation of the Logos-Christ, (b) a pictorial setting forth of the spiritual truth of Christ as Life, (c) a prophetic prefiguration of the death and resurrection of Jesus” (Forbes, p. 273); and he continues: “It may be a miracle which, like that of Mark 11:12 f. (see pp. 225, 236), has grown up mainly out of a parable—with hints from other Synoptic traditions, e.g. the raising of the widow’s son at Nain (Luke 7:11–17)—in this case the parable of Lazarus (Luke 16:19 ff.).… What historical nucleus lies behind the story, it is no longer possible to ascertain.”
To the critical sense of the mere commonplace historian the idea of this “profound truth,” which finds expression by being gradually built up into a fictitious tale on the faint basis of the slight material recorded by Luke, seems incredible. Truth does not come out of a lie, or mould itself into a falsehood, except in the degeneration of intellect amidst unfavourable surroundings. Can the religion which has branded the lie as a grave sin have formed itself by means of a long series of false tales, and gained vitality by attributing its origin to a group of Apostles, who knew nothing and recorded nothing and believed nothing of those later inventions?
One remembers the story current among undergraduates when I was at college, to the effect that a dignitary of the Church, who is still living, said in a sermon delivered in Balliol College Chapel, “In these days when the tale of the Resurrection and the myths of the miracles are things of the past, let us be thankful that we can still cling to the great Christian verities”. According to the story this was too strong even for the Master of that day, and the preacher ceased to preach in Balliol College.
“The great Christian verities” of 1870 have become “the profound truth” of 1911; but there is no essential difference between them. As I read these words of Dr. Moffatt’s, I feel myself back in the third decade of the nineteenth century. Dr. Moffatt seems (as has been said above) to work on the old lines, and to have made no real progress since he was a student at college; and he still employs the old-fashioned jargon which was taught at that time, some years later than the date of my story.
Presumably this process of building up a false tale about Lazarus is ranked by Dr. Moffatt in the same harmless and almost laudable category as the action of later writers in imparting influence and authority to their views by publishing them under the false name of an apostolic writer. To us, however, it looks undistinguishable from simple romance writing; it is wholly divorced from reality: it is a false story invented to convey a spiritual moral. it is not a myth, for myths grow up unconsciously and lie wholly in the realm of fancy. it approximates perilously near to deliberate and intentional falsification of history, for it relates wholly to persons otherwise known to be real figures (as Dr. Moffatt admits): both the actors and the spectators are figures who appear frequently in the Gospels; and the narrator declares that he was an eye-witness of this and of the other incidents which he describes, that this and the other incidents made a profound impression on him, and that he records them in order “that ye may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God” (20:21). The book is tremendously impressive, if it is the honest work of a man who had seen with his own eyes, who had during a long life dwelt in loving memory on certain times1 and incidents in the life of the Christ whose disciple he had been, and who at last composed this record of the scenes which had most deeply impressed himself, in the conviction that they would impress others also and make them believe as he believed. if, on the other hand, it is the work of a man belonging to a later age and an alien country, who had seen none of the events that he describes, who invents some or many of them, without any real foundation but with merely an “historical nucleus” supplemented by the free play of creative fancy, who inserts little details which, if they do not spring from vivid memory of the scenes, can only be described as fabrications designed to convey to the readers a false impression of the lively recollection of the eyewitness (such as John 11:30, 39, 44)—if all that is the case, then the book is the most cruel and heartless imposture that the world or the devil has ever produced. Its greatness, its supreme and unique position in the literature of the world, depends on its truth. That an Asian Jew (or a series of Asians) created an imaginary Jesus, whom he palmed off on his contemporaries as a solitary and unparalleled figure, the Divine nature walking among men, is from one point of view an interesting phenomenon; but the deception practised on a credulous public, the calculated falseness of the whole proceeding, seems to me to be revolting, and all the more revolting because it was so successful. Its success implies great skill in gauging human nature and human credulity, and in choosing so coolly the cleverest means to deceive a people already disposed to accept Jesus as something greater than He in reality was; and on that account this Asian imposture degrades one’s conception of human nature.[1]
1 As Principal Iverach points out, it is remarkable what a small number of separate days and occasions make up the Fourth Gospel: other times and days seem to fade or to be less impressed on his memory; and in his old age he lives in the recollection of the few days, at long intervals in Jesus’s life, which had most deeply fixed themselves in his mind and affected his character.
[1] Ramsay, W. M. (1911). The First Christian Century: Notes on Dr. Moffatt’s Introduction to the Literature of the New Testament (pp. 84–90). London; New York; Toronto: Hodder and Stoughton.
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Thanks Lee Garrison....I removed my bid.
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Michael Childs said:
A scholar like Dr. Moffatt has much knowledge and insight to offer. He is also one who has had much influence upon the literature relating to many New Testament books. He is often referred to by other commentators. So I am interested in his opinions.
Ran across an interesting quote just this morning
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The Moffatt series, with rare exceptions, is not much more than a major disappointment.
Carson, D. A. New Testament Commentary Survey. 6th ed. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2007, 25.
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But I bet Carson didn't get it for $20
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Evan Boardman said:
But I bet Carson didn't get it for $20
!I was going to say the same thing...LOL...plus, don't we need to have first hand information when we tell others how wrong Moffatt was? We need to be able to quote him and then explain where he was wrong. If we just go by what others say, then it's "hear say" but if we own the resource, we have first hand information and we'll be more credible. So $20 bucks is not a bad investment after all. I've wasted $20 bucks on other useless stuff that are not even around anymore, at least Moffatt will be there for a good while, even if it's just to get him and Ramsey living together in the same computer...LOL
DAL
Edit: I think the only thing that would be of great value is Moffatt's Translation of the NT. I still don't get why Logos doesn't have it. e-sword has it for free and others too. We'll see, maybe one of these days we'll get a surprise.
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abondservant said:
think if we were honest we'd say there are very few people that we agree with 100%.
I might be odd but I would wonder if a book was worth buying if I knew I was going to fully agree with it! [:)]
Ironically I personally find that reading something I do not agree with can often help me to crystallize what I believe.
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What amazes me is that (literally) millions of people go to the same church every week to learn what they already agree with. Makes a lot more sense to go to churches that you don't agree with ... crystalizes your thinking.
But more seriously, so many pastors seem to also fall into the trap of teaching what they believe to be true. How can their congregation crystalize their thinking?
OK, really serious, I do want Moffatt mainly because (a) is it Moffatt or Moffat (on Logos.com) and (b) our pastor hinges a lot of apologetics on Papias/Polycarp. I'd like to delve into that a bit more (since Ramsay's so impressed). Actually Moffatt reminds me of lot of the Moody graduate that ended up in Charlotteville.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Jack Caviness said:
Ran across an interesting quote just this morning
[quote]
The Moffatt series, with rare exceptions, is not much more than a major disappointment.
Carson, D. A. New Testament Commentary Survey. 6th ed. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2007, 25.
Carson's notes on the individual volumes are also interesting:
Matthew: Past disappointments include W. C. Allen (ICC; 1922, £45.00/), B. T. D. Smith (CGT; 1927, op), Theodore Robinson (Moffatt; 1947, op), and J. F. Walvoord (/Moody 1974, op).
Luke: W. Manson did himself less than justice in the Moffatt series (1930, op).
John: G. H. MacGregor (Moffatt; 1928, op) is disappointingly colorless.
Romans: C. H. Dodd’s commentary (Moffatt; 1932, op) has been described as a classic, although on many passages it is hard to see why. Perhaps it is for no other reason than that he writes well. Sadly, however, he consistently flattens future perspectives into present ones and pushes his own theories at the reader: he is uncomfortable unless he can have a domesticated cross.
1Corinthians: James Moffatt (Moffatt; 1938, op) is still worth scanning on the religious, social, and historical background in Hellenism.
2Corinthians: R. H. Strachan (Moffatt; 1935, op) obviously had a bad year in 1935.
Galatians: Concise and occasionally useful to the preacher are the practical commentaries by K. Grayston (1957, op) and G. S. Duncan (Moffatt; 1934, op). The latter can often be picked up secondhand.
Ephesians: Ernest Scott (Moffatt; 1939, op) is erratic and uneven.
Colossians: J. H. Michael (Moffatt; op) contains many useful hints for the preacher, if the commentary is read in conjunction with a more rigorous work.
Thessalonians: William Neil (Moffatt; op) is worth scanning but is showing signs of age.
Hebrews: Thoroughly unrewarding is the work by Theodore H. Robinson (Moffatt; op).
James: J. Moffatt (Moffatt; bound with Peter and Jude; 1928, op) sheds some light on the background but has now been superseded.
Peter/Jude: J. Moffatt (see under James) is concise and penetrating, primarily with respect to the actual situation of the original readers, but his work is now badly dated.
Johannine Epistles: C. H. Dodd (Moffatt; 1946, op) is highly praised by almost everyone, but I find it difficult to see why. The quality of his prose is superb, but he is so bound to his old-fashioned liberal tradition that on point after point he is wildly out of sympathy with the text. He insists, for instance, that John’s quick definition “sin is lawlessness” is shallow, that 2 John must be condemned for its “fierce intolerance,” and so forth.
Revelation: M. Kiddle (Moffatt; op) is simply too verbose: the sum of its fruitful comment hardly justifies the number of pages it occupies.
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With Todd's post I'm starting to have second thoughts about it. I went to Carson's book to read the reviews myself. He keeps it short and sweet...LOL...I should probably just give up on it and cancel other CP's along with some prepubs and just upgrade to Gold, get BECNT and complete PNTC and snatch BDAG while I'm at it. I could upgrade to Platinum but in all honesty, in spite of Carson's reviews, I don't see much use for Alford, Nicoll's expositor, Lenski, preaching the Word and other stuff found in that package. I think Gold would be better and just build from there and if later on I change my mind I can always upgrade anyway. Based on the upgrade dates we probably have another year or two before the next upgrade.
Now, wouldn't it be a bummer if all of the sudden Moffatt took a plunge and went below 100% and got stuck in there like Barne's did a few years ago...LOL [A]...I hope not, for the sake of those who are really sure they want his series.
DAL
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DAL said:
With Todd's post I'm starting to have second thoughts about it.
To be fair, Carson is positive for about 6 of the volumes, including the ones by Moffatt himself.
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Todd Phillips said:DAL said:
With Todd's post I'm starting to have second thoughts about it.
To be fair, Carson is positive for about 6 of the volumes, including the ones by Moffatt himself.
Don't try to fix it, 6 volumes is not enough...LOL...[8-|]
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Denise said:
What amazes me is that (literally) millions of people go to the same church every week to learn what they already agree with. Makes a lot more sense to go to churches that you don't agree with ... crystalizes your thinking.
Touché. However, that has not always been my experience with my congregations. [:D]
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Denise
But if we only go to a church because they speak something that we don't agree with it can also be bad.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim a gospel to you contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let him be accursed!
We also must test the massage. Hold to what is true.
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Denise said:
What amazes me is that (literally) millions of people go to the same church every week to learn what they already agree with. Makes a lot more sense to go to churches that you don't agree with ... crystallizes your thinking.
But more seriously, so many pastors seem to also fall into the trap of teaching what they believe to be true. How can their congregation crystallize their thinking?
LOL - nicely done!!! I did warn you that I might be odd though!!!! Seriously, if I only read books where I thought that I would never be challenged by something I was not happy with, regardless of how well written the book was, there are very few books (or forum posts!) that I would read.
Thanks for the personal views on Moffatt's writings everyone, very useful.
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Pass
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I was in for this earlier, but after reading the review, I'm going to pass on this as well. Please enjoy it if you are getting it though.
Cheers.
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It's down another dollar with chance to fall further.
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It's not displaying correctly so I can't place a bid on it. Hopefuly someone can fix it.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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I went for the Moody Commentary offered on Vyrso instead. It's more up-to-date and it covers the whole Bible. Who knows, maybe if this commentary gets the Logos treatment someday, we might be automatically upgraded to the Logos edition [;)]. Moffatt is a classic, but I would much rather have his Bible translation than his commentaries (yes, I know, the commentaries have his translation but is not the same).
DAL
Edit: Oh boy, I kind of felt guilty cancelling this one so I re-placed my order again for the sake of the 6 volumes that didn't get a bad review from Carson; especially now that it is at $19. Maybe if we salivate enough we might get it down to $18, right Denise? [:P]
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For what it's worth, I really appreciate Mounce's commentary on Revelation, and he quotes Martin Kiddle's commentary frequently. So, I'm looking forward to having Kiddle as well as the commentaries by Moffatt.
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Down to the wire. Speak now or ........
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