A timely book.
How Jesus Became God In The Flesh: The Proper Exaltation Of A Prophet From Nazareth Bart Ehrman Refuted
I will only add my [Y] IF we can first get Bart Ehrman's materials in Logos as well. A Bart Ehrman Collection is needed.
Why wouldn't we be able to get it?? We seem to be getting everything else!
I thought it was interesting that one of the reviewers opined that it took five evangelicals to tackle Ehrman. I was hoping Bird would do a little better job, though.
My book on eastern Christianity (Persia or thereabouts) noted that Parthians couldn't abide Parthians that switched to Christians. But a born (literally) Christian wasn't so bad. I very much suspect that's why Ehrman has so much fun with evangelicals (even providing them a pre-pub manuscript to warm up on). Ehrman was 'born' evangelical.
This week as the various pseudo-collections were being built, I thought of an atheist collection in Logos. I'm certainly not advocating one, but it's certainly buildable, and quite strong (no need for Vyrso authors). But even though Logos has a strong offering of 'who created YHWH' books, one single author like Ehrman can not be handled in Logos. Like converted Parthians, he broke the code.
I'm thinking we do indeed need a book to refute Ehrman.
It's time for some real balance (I'm so naive!).
The book suggested here is from a single author, the five evangelicals wrote "How God became Jesus".
True. But MM introduced both in separate threads 6 weeks ago; thus a single discussion on the same day. Now we have three (plus David Paul's Ehrman collection thread).
Ehrman is definitely a popular guy.
True. But MM introduced both in separate threads 6 weeks ago; thus a single discussion on the same day. Now we have three (plus David Paul's Ehrman collection thread). Ehrman is definitely a popular guy.
I think you mean "notorious."
True. But MM introduced both in separate threads 6 weeks ago; thus a single discussion on the same day. Now we have three (plus David Paul's Ehrman collection thread). Ehrman is definitely a popular guy. I think you mean "notorious."
I think there is room for both adjectives where Bart is concerned. Notorious among some, but he's practically a rock star among a certain crowd.
I'm of the latter variety (though, of course Peter would the 'rock' star).
Christiandom's apologetics have been anchored in the 1800s for far too long. Frankly, an individual armed with the Logos software would do better than what is offered in many seminaries and Bible colleges. And I suspect the folks at Logos are well aware of that.
Today's big 'names' are great for March madness sales, but they live on assumptions beginning in the late 2nd century and regurgitated rationales that were meant for a choir that had no alternatives.
Ehrman simply reminds the reader of what the question is and always was. The man, himself, is simply an author. The issue is what's he's asking about.
one of the reviewers opined that it took five evangelicals to tackle Ehrman. I was hoping Bird would do a little better job,
Are you saying Bart is a slippery fellow?
Are you sure about that?
one of the reviewers opined that it took five evangelicals to tackle Ehrman. I was hoping Bird would do a little better job, Are you saying Bart is a slippery fellow?
I don't think it's that. I think he is smart, intelligent, and he asks lots of important questions that many Christians are too lazy or too scared to ask. Besides that, he has quite a few facts on his side. I've watched him in numerous Youtube videos and he more than holds his own in most confrontations. There are some evangelicals who seem to feel compelled to face-off with him, and in my opinion they would do better for themselves and those who are attempting to weigh the debated evidence if they stayed home in their ivory towers. In my opinion, Bart often eats their lunches and mops the floor with them, even though he is on the wrong side of the argument. There is a dangerous fallacy that rapidly degrades into a conceit among many Christians--assuming the fact that "God wins in the end" also means "We win in the end" is equally true. It is a "wide gate" mentality that is destined to have devastating consequences, full of weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Bart can be bested, but not always on every front, which many Christians apparently think is the case. The idea seems to be, "anyone who doubts God is living in a house of cards!", and any schlep with childlike faith can blow ever-so lightly and cause his lies to crash around his head. I am fairly certain that YHWH has no problem allowing such naive arrogance to spend a little time with egg on its face.
ST ... 'slippery fellow'. Like a fish? Or 'skates on ice?' We're watching 'Great Passage', a Japanese film concerning making dictionaries ... words acting as boats that carry over the seas of silence.
But surprisingly, I did indeed consider why it would take five evangelicals to tackle an apostate.
1. By having five, they increase their chances of being read/purchased/talked-about. This works well for the less well known; not necessarily for the best known. Iffy.
2. As with romance novels having several writers, they wish to challenge the reader as to who is actually writing at that moment. Very iffy.
3. All of them want to attach their name to a notorious college professor who has a lot better sales than they do. Mmmm.
4. They each get a publish/perish checkoff without having to write a full book (plus extra credit for whacking the notorious college professor). Sounding good.
5. They truly believe, by buying 5 bingo cards, instead of 1, they can increase the odds 5 times. Probably.
We'll have to wait for Bart's next book (absent lightning striking).
I really enjoyed this post. [li]
If anyone is interested in listening to Ehrman-some lectures are here.
I have no feelings.
Why wouldn't we be able to get it?? We seem to be getting everything else! Are you sure about that? Tender little feelings hurt?
Thanks Kent...however I am trying to pursue actual Biblical Truth and lead people toward Jesus the Christ not away from Him.I appreciate that some may want to listen to form their own opinions of this "off-the-rails" author and speaker however. Perhaps Ehrman, Joel Osteen and Rob Bell can form a club or something. [8-|]
Josh ... you're getting your threads mixed up. This one is owned by Milkman (he's out for delivery right now).
Thanks Kent...however I am trying to pursue actual Biblical Truth and lead people toward Jesus the Christ not away from Him.I appreciate that some may want to listen to form their own opinions of this "off-the-rails" author and speaker however. Perhaps Ehrman, Joel Osteen and Rob Bell can form a club or something.
Don't mistake me, I certainly wasn't promoting Ehrman. Nevertheless, its good to know what those you disagree with are saying.
Edit: OT. A casual web-search for for Ehrman discovers this guy is very talented at self-promotion. Note to self- if you ever write a book...
There is one on refuting him. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/85005/595966.aspx#595966
His title for this book left out a few words: How Jesus Became God in the Flesh [in the Eyes of Man] as he states on page 3 that:
"I do not take a stand on the theological question of Jesus’s divine status. I am instead interested in the historical development that led to the affirmation that he is God."
I think in one of Ehrman's earlier books, he points out the problem of exactly how humans at the time could determine if someone was divine or not, much less centuries later. Thus, he's remaining on-track with his points.
He might well be in the book selling business, but I think he's more so in the Moody business (evangelizing) ... just not the Moody message.
Kind of like us and the Taliban. [:O]
Moral: Be careful who you train and equip.
