iPhone/iPad app and strongs?

Hi Daniel - and welcome to the forums.

you can do what you are looking for but there are some limitation in function without purchasing some resources.

highlighting is available for free, to get access to Greek / Hebrew needs appropriate resources, typically those with "reverse interlinear" functionality which provides extra tagging.

try "long-pressing" a word and see what you get. A couple of examples below. In the first, pressing highlight on the popup menu allows you to create highlights. On the second I pressed "look up"

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581172#Comment_581172

What bible and other sources did you had to purchase and download in order to do that?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581205#Comment_581205

What bible and other sources did you had to purchase and download in order to do that?

I've bought a fair amount of Logos resources so difficult to answer the minimum required which I think is the question you are probably asking.

Clearly in the diagram I am showing the use of the NIV so I needed to purchase that.

But even with the free apps some Bibles are made available for free - including the Lexham English Bible and the English Standard Version (for online use only) - both of which have reverse interlinear capability.

Highlighting should be available with the free apps - but you probably need to create a Logos account first.

But which resources are you trying to use and what do you get when you long-press a word?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/581212#Comment_581212

I haven't purchased any resource for fear of it being a waste of money. I want the ESV and I want to access strongs within the ESV bible. When I long press I get normal options like notes, highlight, and look up. Look up merely brings up the definition by the dictionary.

Reverse interlinear in the ESV? Isn't that even better than the strongs supposedly?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/605717#Comment_605717

To get the lookup definition you need a reverse interlinear which requires a base package.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/605722#Comment_605722

Is that available for my iphone or iPad with the reformed starter package or another similar logos 5 package?

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/605738#Comment_605738

A base package is NOT needed, but it is a bit confusing to figure out what you do need. (Some form of minimal cross grades). Most of us picked up the data sets we needed through base packages. I would call customer service.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/605738#Comment_605738

Is that available for my iphone or iPad with the reformed starter package or another similar logos 5 package?

Yes it would be - but Alabama's suggestion (below) about contacting Sales is a good one to determine exactly what you need.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/605770#Comment_605770

A base package is NOT needed

Can you expand on this?

With minimal exceptions (Lexham resources in minimal crossgrade and the RSV NT) I thought base packages were required for RI capability.

Have I missed something?

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/605801#Comment_605801

A base package is NOT needed

Can you expand on this?

With minimal exceptions (Lexham resources in minimal crossgrade and the RSV NT) I thought base packages were required for RI capability.

Have I missed something?

The L4 Minimal Crossgrade provides for that https://www.logos.com/product/28576/logos-4-minimal-crossgrade - you'd need an English bible on top, but LEB is contained in the L4 MC and some others may be free/cheap or contained in small sets such as KJV and NASB in https://www.logos.com/product/8734/nas-electronic-bible-library

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/605811#Comment_605811

I used to have a package but Logos took it away. So I'm package-free. I got the Logos4 Crossgrade (RI's) and bought the ESV (but not the notes). Plus I'd assume Daniel would need a lexicon. If Strongs, you can get one for both hebrew and greek. But if lexemes, I'd assume you have to get separate ones?

Too bad marketing doesn't have a simple OL package; Daniel's question is not unusual.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/605836#Comment_605836

Yea. I'm very surprisrd Logos hasn't made it easier. Olive Tree makes it so simple. I bought one ESV Bible with Strongs built in. All I do I tap the word and it gives me the Strongs number and Hebrew/Greek. Also shows every other instance in the Bible where that particular Hebrew/Greek word is used. Gives clear definition also. It's great. But I have friends, mentors, and Pastors that use Logos and I'd like to use it with them. But until I know that my money is not going to be wasted on a Logos 5 Starter package I refuse to do it. It's a lot of money and I'm a missionary serving in Zambia. Not easy for me to spend the money if I'm not 100% sure on if it's worth it.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606664#Comment_606664

Logos sort of starts in the middle of the 'sophistication' range and then muddles around somewhat more. I had hoped they'd use the mobile apps to pick up a market that lies both less sophisticated, and more sophisticated. But basically, they took some Logos5 features and implemented them with their fingers. Really sad, given the opportunity.

Olivetree is a good example of somewhat less sophisticated, and very easy to use. Cheaper. But a limited library. Accordance sits about in the same range as Logos but more intuitive. Bibleworks tries to position itself with a higher sophistication, but is loosing its edge.

It's really time for a mobile Bible app that combines simple yet sophisticated.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606664#Comment_606664

Hi Daniel

I think there are a couple of things here - (1) what functionality does Logos provide and (2) what purchases are necessary to make it happen?

Thinking about the first of these....

All I do I tap the word and it gives me the Strongs number and Hebrew/Greek

If I tap the word I get a popup menu:

Tapping lookup pulls up some information including the Greek word and the Strong's reference info

Selecting "Bible Word Study" gives me some detailed information about the Greek word

Clicking on the blue translation circle shows me where that word is used (if the word is translated in different ways in different verses the ring is split into different corresponding segments)

At the top of the screenshot you will see reference to some lexicons - these vary depending on what you have purchased.

Does this provide the type of functionality you are looking for?

In terms of the second question - what do you need to purchase to get this.

All the above is available in the lowest base package - Bronze in the standard Logos family, Anglican Starter or others (the lexicons you get would be different to those I show as those were additional purchases)

Does this help at all?

But until I know that my money is not going to be wasted on a Logos 5 Starter package I refuse to do it. It's a lot of money and I'm a missionary serving in Zambia. Not easy for me to spend the money if I'm not 100% sure on if it's worth it.

I understand but its worth knowing that Logos has a 30-day no-questions-asked refund policy.

Graham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606675#Comment_606675

Yes Graham. That is very similar to what I'm looking for, however, if you click on the Lexicons at the top do you get expanded definitions?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606682#Comment_606682

Hi Daniel

Yes Graham. That is very similar to what I'm looking for, however, if you click on the Lexicons at the top do you get expanded definitions?

Yes, you do. Below is what I get if I click on the BDAG link (note BDAG not included in starter packages so the lexicons you get would be different)

Graham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606685#Comment_606685

Thank you so much Graham. You've been so helpful. Are you using Logos 5?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606688#Comment_606688

Hi Daniel

Thank you so much Graham. You've been so helpful

You are very welcome

Are you using Logos 5?

Yes I am - do you have any Logos 5 related questions? If so, they are probably best in the Logos 5 forum - http://community.logos.com/forums/109.aspx

And please do feel free to continue asking questions about the use of Logos software - that is what these forums are here for.

Graham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606696#Comment_606696

Hi Daniel

Just wanted to mention one thing.

The various lookups I was showing are actually performed on Logos servers (behind the scenes) and reported back to the iPad app.

So the iPad needs to be connected to the Internet for these things to work.

I don't know if that is an issue for you but I wanted to be sure you were aware.

Graham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606749#Comment_606749

Good grief, Graham. I'm glad you're a former (and current) systems expert. I didn't notice anyone else piling on, with how to look up a greek/hebrew word.

I literally opened up my PC to see your screen shots (I keep my iPad images turned off). Even though I have a fairly ample library, I've been afraid to use it on my iPad, in fear of what might happen (since my library prefs are carefully tailored to my L5 layout).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606749#Comment_606749

Yes. That is a deal breaker. I don't have constant internet over here. Only sketchy wifi from time to time. So I'm counting on downloading the resources to my iPad and using them offline. You can't download the resources and use then offline?

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606780#Comment_606780

You can download books and read them offlne, but currently library and language searches are performed on the logos servers. Logos is primarily a digital library, and can do powerful searches. It seems like your needs are in languages, which isn't the strength of logos (especially in mobile apps).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606774#Comment_606774

Even though I have a fairly ample library, I've been afraid to use it on my iPad, in fear of what might happen (since my library prefs are carefully tailored to my L5 layout).

I would be surprised if using these capabilities on the iPad affected how you have things set up in L5.

The one exception to that is if you change your preferred Bible on the iPad it will affect L5 preference as well

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606780#Comment_606780

Yes. That is a deal breaker. I don't have constant internet over here. Only sketchy wifi from time to time. So I'm counting on downloading the resources to my iPad and using them offline. You can't download the resources and use then offline?

Alabama is totally correct in his response about offline capabilities on the iPad.

Picking up on your question earlier about Logos 5 - the same restriction does not apply there. Once you have Logos 5 setup and resources downloaded then it can operate disconnected from the Internet (with very few exceptions - primarily in terms of access to websites)

So if that is an option for you it could be worth considering.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606820#Comment_606820

Graham ... you're totally correct. It completely ignored my L5 priorities (the lexicons). I can't believe it. Like the OP, I'm rarely online since it has to rescan my library every time. So I wasn't aware what it wasn't delivering. But if had indeed taken my top 2 lexicons, that would have been a disaster ... I use them to flag unusual sources. So either way.

But 'seriously', doing a quick Strongs is pretty basic. I'm not a Strong'er, but there were quite a few years when inline Strongs with a morph code was all I needed during a Sunday sermon. OliveTree had/has it. Laridian had/has it. Quick and fast.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606825#Comment_606825

I would suggest that you might find your needs filled with Accordance. It works fully offline and the free download includes ESV with strong's numbers. This would help supplement your Logos Library when you have no internet connection.

-Dan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606830#Comment_606830

I already have that on Olive Tree. I might check out Accordance, but honestly. If Logos can't provide language studies and commentaries while offline then there is no need for me to even use Logos. I don't carry my MacBook Pro around with me much, I primarily use my iPad or iPhone. If my iPad and iPhon cannot download the lexicons, language databases, commentaries, or whatever else I need for offlin use then it's pointless to use Logos at his point cause I need to be mobile, not locked to software on my Macbook Pro.

I know Logos allows you to download books, Bibles, and I believe it allows commentaries. All for offline use. But if I can't download the lexicons and language databases then I guess I'll just stick with my Olive Tree for now. Logos has many more resources and books in it's catalog, but it all hinges on being downloadable for me. I can't rely on being able to access internet for my studies. I live too far out in the bush of Africa to access internet all the time for my studies. There will be times when internet and cellular data is unreliable and I'm going to need to use these resources offline.

Now if Logos 5 allows me to download all those features and resources for offline use on my iPad as well as the MacBook Pro then I can consider it. But if not, then I'm in no position to use Logos software. Hopefully they will change that. If they'd only allow me to do what Olive Tree does, I'd switch immediately. Logos hands down has the better library.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606894#Comment_606894

To clarify

Now if Logos 5 allows me to download all those features and resources for offline use on my iPad as well as the MacBook Pro then I can consider it.

(Technically, Logos 5 is the desktop software and other Logos apps are used on the mobile devices - both provide access to your library)

Resources which you own and are mobile-enabled (a small percentage are not mainly due to publisher restrictions) can be downloaded to your iPad / iPhone.

So you could, for example, download a lexicon and open it and use it when offline.

What is not possible when offline on mobile devices is the use of those functions which are carried out on Logos servers such as the Bible Word Study I referenced above.

Hope this helps in you making the right decision for your context.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606898#Comment_606898

I'm still confused to an extent. If the lexicon is available for download and the reverse-interlinear Bibles are available for download. With those two resources will I be able to access the Hebrew/Greek words and definitions while offline? What exactly is it in the process that will only be performed on the Logos servers? Sorry. I understand your terminology but I'm having difficulty understanding what part of the Bible Word Study that you performed is only available through the servers? If I knew exactly what I will be able to access while offline I could make an educated decision. Sorry to be such a hassle. I know there is the money back guarantee but taking the time to download everything will take forever on the internet here and I don't want to take the time just to later find it won't work and I've wasted data and time. Data here is paid for by the megabyte. It's very expensive. So I have to be sure what I'm getting into before I make a decision.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606900#Comment_606900

I'm still confused to an extent

Fair enough[:)]

What exactly is it in the process that will only be performed on the Logos servers? Sorry. I understand your terminology but I'm having difficulty understanding what part of the Bible Word Study that you performed is only available through the servers?

Probably best demonstrating by example. All of the screenshots below were with my iPad offline.

In the first one it shows the same popup menu when I long-press a word

However when I select Look Up I don't get the same options (Search and BWS) as when online, I just get some information relating to the English word

This is because the underling Greek tagging information is not accessible and so you get the information displayed. So trying to use reverse interlinear capability when offline doesn't really work.

There is, potentially, another option by using an interlinear version as opposed to a reverse-interlinear (interlinears start with the original language and provide English gloss whereas reverse-interlinears start with an English translation and provide original language tagging)

Logos provide a number of interlinears - the example below is from the GNT. And I am showing Strong's Lexicon in a "split panel" (I downloaded these two resources while online)

You can see that Greek text and a set of information below each word.

The information displayed can be adjusted as shown below

You will see that the Strong's information is shown in blue - this signifies a hyperlink and when I tap it, this results in a popup showing the Strong's entry

If I tap "Jump to reference", the relevant article in Strong's is displayed (in the left panel)

It is possible to display other lexicon's as well - the example below is BDAG (also downloaded while online)

Unfortunately, there isn't a hyperlink for this from the text so you need to find the word using the table of contents

So I have to be sure what I'm getting into before I make a decision.

Totally understand. Hope this helps, but please post back if there is still some confusion.

(And I'm aware the interlinear option above might not be what you are looking for but it is the best mechanism there is for accessing original language information on the mobile devices when offline)

Graham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/606907#Comment_606907

Thank you so much for all of your help Graham! Sadly that is what I feared. Hopefully one day Logos will change that for the sake of their mobile market. I guess for now Olive Tree is my best option.

Thank you again for making this clear and answering all my questions. I really appreciate your helpfulness.