When was the Bible written
Looking for a book that gives the date for the various books of the Bible when they were written.
Don't want to discuss it, just give resources please. Thanks.
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If you look in the first few pages of your Bible, it should give you a date.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.[:D]
Different resources will give different dates. AT Robinson's "Redating the New Testament" dates all the books before 70AD. It's not available in Logos yet, but I wish it were.
I found An Introduction to the New Testament to be very helpful. It gives the different dates and different scholar's opinions.
https://www.logos.com/product/9654/an-introduction-to-the-new-testament
A year or two ago, someone on the forum was compiling the different dates from many different scholars. I don't remember who, but maybe someone else might.
Hope this helps.
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Just about any "Introduction" or "Bible Handbook" will give a date for each book it covers, along with a discussion of that date. You probably already have a few. Some of the handbooks (like the Holman Bible Handbook) have timelines that include the book dates.
I recommend the Encountering series for quick reference info on individual books:
- Encountering the Old Testament: A Christian Survey
- Encountering the New Testament: A Historical and Theological Survey
Many study bibles include book introductions that include the date as well.
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Wikipedia has this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible
Unfortunately, Mark Barnes personal book compilation of Wikipedia articles, Dictionary of Christianity and the Bible, doesn't show the tables in the Wikipedia article.
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Lynden. You can't be serious?
First, Logos has an immense stack of conservative-view when-the-Bible-was-written resources (almost none on the actual question ... the literal grapha).
And second, the Logos forum? Resources only? It reminds me of making a garden, putting a desirable tree in the middle that can make you a god, adding walking, a talking snake, and then sitting back to view the results (knowing the results of course ahead of time).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Lynden,
Gary Butner has compiled information from many different scholars and presented their lists with averages. I present:
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Ronald Quick said:
I found An Introduction to the New Testament to be very helpful.
I similarly find this resource helpful. The Zondervan Old and New Testament Introduction bundle (which includes the OT companion piece is also worth checking out). I am unsure of your persuasion and thought I should mention that these particular introductions incline towards the conservative end of the spectrum (particularly the NT entry).
If you are looking for a more in depth discussion of the supposed dating of specific books, you may be better reviewing introductions to technical/semi-technical commentaries.
Some of the Bible dictionaries and encyclopaedias provide overviews of the key issues. For example, by way of example, both the Dictionary of the Later New Testament and Its Developments (IVP) and the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary contain decent overviews of the Book of Revelation. I presume other offerings in the IVP series or in the AYBD will prove similarly helpful.
For a convenient (and colourful!) overview, you may want to check out the timelines for the Old Testament Books, Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Books. It is a while since I looked at the timelines and they are quite nifty. And colourful! [:)]
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Andy Evans said:
For a convenient (and colourful!) overview, you may want to check out the timelines for the Old Testament Books, Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Books. It is a while since I looked at the timelines and they are quite nifty. And colourful!
Thanks Andy, just what the doctor ordered. Had forgotten about timelines. Most of the books recommended I do not own, except for AYBD. Was not having much luck with some of the others, and was getting too tired.
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Denise said:
Lynden. You can't be serious?
First, Logos has an immense stack of conservative-view when-the-Bible-was-written resources (almost none on the actual question ... the literal grapha).
And second, the Logos forum? Resources only? It reminds me of making a garden, putting a desirable tree in the middle that can make you a god, adding walking, a talking snake, and then sitting back to view the results (knowing the results of course ahead of time).
Denise, see how disciplined the community is. Everyone has resisted the forbidden fruit. [;)]
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Had to use help to figure out how Andy pulled that off. Here is the link to the help file.
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Most study Bibles will give you an approximate date. The ESV Study Bible is one such example - I just checked Habakkuk and found the following:
"Date The only hint of a date for this book is its prediction of the Babylonian invasion of Judah (1:6), but it is unclear how far into the future this event would be (see 2:2–3). The Babylonians do not appear to be an imminent threat when Habakkuk was writing, but he seems to be very aware of their potential threat, and thus Habakkuk’s time frame is probably not later than the end of Josiah’s reign (640–609 b.c.). Before Josiah, Judah had radically turned away from God under the leadership of the extremely wicked kings Manasseh and Amon, and the nation was ripe for punishment (2 Kings 23:26–27). Judah was morally and spiritually corrupt, worshiping Baal on the high places, offering its children to Molech, dedicating horses to the sun god, and allowing the temple to fall into ruin. Judah experienced a significant, though short-lived, time of revival during Josiah’s reign with the restoration of the temple and reinstitution of the Feast of Passover, but returned quickly to its evil ways following his death. It was a politically turbulent time as well. Assyria had ruled Judah with a heavy hand for well over a hundred years, inflicting punishment and tribute; but Assyria was beginning to weaken, and soon Babylon would be the world power. Habakkuk probably lived to see the following events: the destruction of Nineveh by Babylon in 612 b.c.; the battle of Haran in 609 in which Josiah died as he tried to hinder the Egyptians from reaching the battle; the final defeat of the Assyrians at the Battle of Carchemish (605); and possibly the fulfillment of his own prophecy of the Babylonian invasions of Judah in 605, 597, and 586."
and a few paragraphs later
"The Near East at the Time of Habakkuk
c. 620 b.c.
Though the exact date of the prophecies of Habakkuk are difficult to determine, it is likely that he prophesied a short time before the Babylonian invasions of Judah, which began in 605 b.c. During this time the Assyrian Empire was in decline, and the Babylonians were rising to replace them as the dominant power in the Near East."
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And then if one wishes to be a trouble-maker, dates require a time continuum so the answer is ...?
ἐν ἀρχῇ, the pre-existence of the Torah. b. Pes., 54a, Bar.: “Seven things were created before the world was created, namely, the Torah, repentance, the Garden of Eden, Gehenna, the throne of glory, the sanctuary, the name of the Messiah.” πρὸς τὸν θέον, the eternal being of the Torah with God. Midr. Ps. on 90:3 § 12 (Buber, 196a): “It lay on God’s bosom, while God sat on the throne of glory.” θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος, the divine nature of the Torah. Lv. r., 20, 10 on 16:1: “God spake … My daughter, that is the Torah.” πάντα διʼ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο, the Torah as the mediator and means of creation. Gn. r., 1, 1 on 1:1: “Through the first-born God created the heaven and the earth, and the first-born is none other than the Torah.” ζωή, the Torah is life. S. Dt., 306 on 32:2: “… the words of the Torah are life for the world.” φῶς, the Torah is light.248 4 Esr. 14:20f.: “The world lies in darkness, its inhabitants are without light; for thy Law is burned.” πλήρης … ἀληθείας, the Torah is truth. Midr. Ps. on 25:10 § 11 (Buber, 107a): “Truth, the Torah is meant.”
Gerhard Kittel, Geoffrey W. Bromiley, and Gerhard Friedrich, eds., Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1964–), 135.There must be a Christian equivalent based on the pre-existant Word but I can't find it.
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Lynden Williams said:
Looking for a book that gives the date for the various books of the Bible when they were written.
Don't want to discuss it, just give resources please. Thanks.
Bible? What Bible??
Based on the popular documentary hypothesis guiding principle "if it appears to include prophecy that has been fulfilled, then it was written AFTER that point in time", I can say with complete confidence that the Bible hasn't been written yet.
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