Church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594098#Comment_594098

Thanks for the word of encouragement Lynden, and I'll heed your advice. I have looked, and Logos has very little publication from the churches of Christ. But again, I do appreciate your help.

Concerning the churches of Christ, if you are unfamiliar I would strongly encourage you to engage with her members and learn more about her. We also have many helpful resources such as www.thebible.net, or www.searchingfortruth.org, and www.apologeticspress.org, just to name a few. I'd also be happy to help you know more about the church of Christ if you're ever curious.

Thanks again for the help!

I'd be interested. What is the Facebook page?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594107#Comment_594107

Hi James,

Right now we only have a Facebook group. You can view the group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/1485846511646120/

If you're interested, send me a message and let me know what you're thinking.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594098#Comment_594098

A facebook link would be helpful.

Also, Lynden here are a few resources that can help:

1. The church of Christ a Biblical Ecclesiology for Today by Everett Ferguson I don't quite agree with some things, as I think (if I recall correctly) he believes the church was a "Plan B."

2. What the Bible Says About series (All are great; Jack Cottrell highly recommended)

3. College Press NIV Commentary Series

4. Standard Reference Library

5. Standard Lesson Commentary

6. Solid Foundation Sermon Starters

7. Standard Sermon Outline Collection (14 vols.) available in most base packages

8. Bible Study Text Book Series I'm sure Logos can push this out as part of a base package instead of trying to push it out of prepub into production.

And there are other resources, but not that many.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594119#Comment_594119

Sorry DAL, but I do not believe churches of Christ identify with Jack Cottrell or Everett Ferguson. There was a movement that spawned out of some churches of Christ called the Christian churches and Disciples of Christ, and to my understanding. I believe these men would lean toward a Christian church or Disciple of Christ view and identify themselves more in line with these groups, while maybe still holding to some views of the church of Christ. Jack Cottrell certainly does, and I would like to know more about Ferguson before I endorsed him.

Thanks for the help as well. Here is our facebook group... https://www.facebook.com/groups/1485846511646120/

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594119#Comment_594119

here are a few resources that can help

Good list, DAL.

I would love to see a package for;

Christian Churches/Churches of Christ
Disciples of Christ

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594142#Comment_594142

FYI to viewers interested in this post. Churches of Christ do not identify with the Christian church or Disciples of Christ or Churches of Christ that identify their origin in the "Restoration Movement." This forum post is for persons interested in contributing to a work for churches of Christ, EST. 33 AD (Cf. Acts 2). Thank You.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594146#Comment_594146

This forum post is for persons interested in contributing to a work for churches of Christ, EST. 33 AD (Cf. Acts 2). Thank You.

Sounds like Independent Baptist.

Regardless, I bet your resource list is real short.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594150#Comment_594150

This forum post is for persons interested in contributing to a work for churches of Christ, EST. 33 AD (Cf. Acts 2). Thank You.

Sounds like Independent Baptist.

Regardless, I bet your resource list is real short.

I would be concerned about lack of demand, too, but maybe Daniel's denomination is bigger than I realize.

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594146#Comment_594146

FYI to viewers interested in this post. Churches of Christ do not identify with the Christian church or Disciples of Christ or Churches of Christ that identify their origin in the "Restoration Movement." This forum post is for persons interested in contributing to a work for churches of Christ, EST. 33 AD (Cf. Acts 2). Thank You.

The true church, dontcha know.

Tes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594155#Comment_594155

Is it the same with "faith church of Christ"? I know a church by this name(I have mentioned) ,they don't work on sundays.They don't even make shopping on sundays.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594171#Comment_594171

Hi Tes,

If you are interested in knowing more about the churches of Christ, i would direct your attention to earlier replies to Lynden, where I gave three links. In response to your reply, no we are not "faith church of Christ," since the New Testament never describea the Lords church in these terms. We are identified however as the churches of Christ (Romans 16:16), household of faith (gal. 6:10), body of Christ (eph. 1:21-22), etc.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594135#Comment_594135

There was a movement that spawned out of some churches of Christ called the Christian churches and Disciples of Christ, and to my understanding. I believe these men would lean toward a Christian church or Disciple of Christ view and identify themselves more in line with these groups,

Hmmmm in the 1910's my grandfather attended a "Disciples of Christ" seminary to become a "Church of Christ" minister. "Clearly, finding a Biblical, non-sectarian name was important. Stone wanted to continue to use the name "Christians." Alexander Campbell insisted upon "Disciples of Christ". Walter Scott and Thomas Campbell sided with Stone, but the younger Campbell had strong reasons and would not yield. As a result, both names were used. The confusion over names has been present ever since." (Wikipedia)u

If you put the following search into Google (without quotes) "Restoration Movement site:community.logos.com" you will find a number of forum members from the tradition requesting books from the tradition and offering PB's from the tradition.

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594178#Comment_594178

We are identified however as the churches of Christ (Romans 16:16), household of faith (gal. 6:10), body of Christ (eph. 1:21-22), etc.

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You and every other Tom, Dick, and Harry to pick up the book and see themselves in it. I wonder why no one ever sees themselves as Mt. 7:21, 23 or Mt. 13:14?

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594188#Comment_594188

Didn't Logos have a cyborg smilie at one time? (Or maybe that was a poetry website I used to be on...??) I wish they would widen the selection a bit.

Btw, you will be assimilated...resistance is futile.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594193#Comment_594193

I'd think if https://www.logos.com/product/16250/florida-college-annual-lectures could pass go (pre-pubs) or https://www.logos.com/product/9684/christianity-magazine then a collection would be good. However I don't know if these received source subsidies.

I'd definitely vote for Homer Hailey for his volumes on Isaiah, Revelations, and the Minor Prophets. I notice they seem to have appeal well beyond the churches of Christ (and thus supporting orders).

http://www.amazon.com/Homer-Hailey/e/B001KIXQIE/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1400212645&sr=1-2-ent

Plus my favorite (which would never survive the Logosian pre-pub process):

http://www.amazon.com/Churches-Christ-20th-Century-Personal/dp/0817312803/

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594105#Comment_594105

We also have many helpful resources such as www.thebible.net, or www.searchingfortruth.org, and www.apologeticspress.org, just to name a few

I took a look t these websites. I like what I see. If you can convince the copyright holders to publish in Logos, I'd buy the package.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594135#Comment_594135

<<Sorry DAL, but I do not believe churches of Christ identify with Jack Cottrell or Everett Ferguson.>>

i have been been a member of the Church of Christ for over 40 years, and am shocked to hear Churches of Christ do not identify with Ferguson. I suppose we are going to vote McGarvey out too.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594210#Comment_594210

I'm not shocked; I think people are mixing up two different groups within the churches of Christ title (as MJ hints at). I'm not sure which churches of Christ group is being described by the OP, but I'd assume it's not associated with Abilene Christian University in outlook.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594214#Comment_594214

I think people are mixing up two different groups within the churches of Christ title

I agree,

I would be interested to see what the contents of a package would be if Daniel was in charge of creating it.

Daniel?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594146#Comment_594146

This forum post is for persons interested in contributing to a work for churches of Christ, EST. 33 AD (Cf. Acts 2). Thank You.

I hope you have read the forum guidelines with regards to theological discussions. I mention this only because many of us believe that our church is the only one established on the day of Pentecost so that definition explains nothing. One has to describe your movement from the outside rather than from the inside. Which is why I've given up on the misnomer "Roman" Catholic.

Looking at the websites you reference, I would suggest that the most practical first step is to convert some of the documents on those sites to PB's and share them in the file forum. Make sure to obtain the appropriate permissions and document that permission in your files as the material seems to be quite contemporary. That will give people an opportunity to evaluate the materials in Logos and choose to join/help or not.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594187#Comment_594187

Hi MJ. Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, if you are not familiar with churches of Christ, you may find a great deal of confusion out there, and Wikipedia would be of very little help in your search. I would again point you to the same resources I listed for Lynden above.

While there are some we would identify with from the quote, "Restoration Movement," such as the Campbell's and the Stones, even they would not be an authoritative source on the doctrine of the churches of Christ. Only the New Testament is an authoritative source of our doctrine, and only Christ is identified as our Head.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594223#Comment_594223

Yes, this is an excellent question. Here is a link to one of our members who runs a Christian bookstore and sells several of our publications.

http://tuckersbooks.com/index.php

Also, you may want to check out www.gospeladvocate.com for several other publications.

Mark Bell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594278#Comment_594278

As a preacher of a church of Christ, I would like to clear up a couple of things. While there are many similarities within churches of Christ, they are autonomous which can result in a variety of differences. Everett Ferguson is one of our (churches of Christ) better recognized scholars. Abilene Christian University as well as Pepperdine University, Lipscomb University, Harding University, Freed-Hardeman University, Harding School of Theology are all church of Christ affiliated universities to name a few. Max Lucado came from churches of Christ. The Robertson family from Duck Dynasty are all members of churches of Christ. I hope this helps.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594290#Comment_594290

Mark, this does help. I too am a preacher for a church of Christ as well as a church planter.

I would like to see Jim McGuiggan's works in Logos along with F. LaGard Smith, John Mark Hicks, Richard Rogers, Ed Wharton (and other Sunset International Bible Institute instructors), The Gospel Advocate Magazine and the Gospel Advocate NT Commentaries, Homer Hailey, James Burton Coffman, Truth For Today Commentaries, Wayne
Jackson.

There are obviously many more but this might help get this started. Below are a few links to help find the publications, authors, or bookstores that sell these books, ect.

http://www.jimmcguiggan.com/

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=jim+mcguiggan+books&sprefix=%22jim+mcguiggan%22%2Caps%2C128&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ajim+mcguiggan+books

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=john+mark+hicks&sprefix=%22jim+mcguiggan%22%2Caps%2C128&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ajohn+mark+hicks

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=F.+LaGard+Smith&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AF.+LaGard+Smith

http://www.gravelhillchurchofchrist.com/publications.htm

http://www.faulkner.edu/gnl/webresources/restoration/publication.aspx

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=a9_asi_1?rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ahomer+hailey&keywords=homer+hailey&ie=UTF8&qid=1400243913

http://resourcepublications.net/

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594290#Comment_594290

While there are many similarities within churches of Christ, they are autonomous which can result in a variety of differences.

About how many people are members of the autonomous groups when counted together?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594302#Comment_594302

"The number of Churches of Christ in the United States and her territories totals approximately

12,600."

2009 members in the US around 1,224,404

These statistics are taken from "churches of Christ in the United States 2009" published by 21st Century Christian. These are only rough estimates.

These numbers don't account for all those who are associated in one way or another with the "Restoration Movement" (churches of Christ, Christian Church, Disciples of Christ).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594297#Comment_594297

In response to James and Mark, I am not sure that this work would be of interest to you all, though my hope is that for all men everywhere it would be. Nevertheless, there are liberal and anti movements that have sprung out of the churches of Christ in recent decades. It appears that the two of you would probably find more assimilation with the liberal movements, as men like F. LaGard Smith and the Duck Dynasty group, Sunset International Bible Institute, Pepperdine University, Abilene Christian, and other individuals, groups, and associations of a liberal agenda have been differentiated from the churches of Christ. Men like Max Lucado and others have even began to identify themselves by different names, as I suspect some of these individuals, and institutes will in many years do the same.

Concerning autonomy, this has no bearing to us in matters of doctrine or really any bearing at all on this work. In fact our plea is unity in doctrine. Point in fact with this, the work of the church of Christ library will be a work of churches of Christ world-wide and all her publications that adhere to the sound doctrine. But concerning those who simply "bear a name," of the church of Christ, yet adhere to those doctrines unfamiliar to the New Testament and members of the churches of Christ, these are not intended to have part in the church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software.

Appreciate the comment, however, and there are some good resources you have listed such as Wayne Jackson, and some books from Homer Hailey, and others that will hopefully be contributed to the base package. I trust that you would benefit from the completion of this package, but it appears that neither Mark or James would find unity with those of us endeavoring to put this particular library together. Other readers should again view some of the initial resources I posted for Lynden at the beginning of this thread for a better understanding of the churches of Christ and what this Library would entail.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594306#Comment_594306

Thank you, James.

Is there any chance that you could ballpark how many (or few) of that 1.2 million might fall under Daniel's more restricted count?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594318#Comment_594318

I'm sorry to see that you have kicked Mark and I out of the church of Christ. I do think we would agree on the vast majority of things. But oh well.

I would never consider myself a liberal in fact I would see my self as a conservative/traditionalist and would love a base package that included all the resources that you would like to have but I would also like those I mentioned.

I also think it would be far easier to get a base package that includes "Restoration" resources than simply one that focuses too narrowly in your direction. That's just my thought. But either way you can count me in as one who would buy this kind of base package.

One other quick note. The Gospel Advocate NT Commentaries are already digitized in a different bible software so it might not be too hard to get them in Logos.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594319#Comment_594319

Thank you, James.

Is there any chance that you could ballpark how many (or few) of that 1.2 million might fall under Daniel's more restricted count?

After reading his remarks I'm not sure.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594318#Comment_594318

It appears that the two of you would probably find more assimilation with the liberal movements, as men like F. LaGard Smith and the Duck Dynasty group

Something is amiss when religious movements acquire names like "Duck Dynasty Group" or "First National Church and Credit Union"

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594319#Comment_594319

Sine... Thank you for posting your comments to this thread, as well as your interest. James was using the 2009 edition put out by 21st Century. I have the 2012 edition which approximates now 1,186,086 members. However, of these, 165,772 identify themselves with a non-institutional (or what I might call the anti-movement that has sprung out of churches of Christ in recent decades). This would give us about 1,020,314. Unfortunately, those of a liberal agenda do not identify themselves as such, despite my mention of men like Max Lucado who have done us the favor you could say of doing such openly. I could assume the numbers would be cut double to that of the anti-movement, perhaps leaving churches of Christ membership over half-million. But again, this would only be an assumption, but in the end it is all somewhat guesswork since 21st Century cannot fully count the number of members in the churches of Christ with absolute certainty. I'm not sure how this information might help you, and it appears that you would not identify with churches of Christ. We are looking for preachers, teachers, and members of the churches of Christ who are not of a liberal and anti agenda, for the work currently. I trust however that you will benefit from this work at its completion, and you may be able to contribute upon the packages arrival at the Pre-Pub, Lord willing. Thanks again for your interest.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594325#Comment_594325

This might be helpful on the statistics. This is from a different source.

Total church membership reported in the 2012 Yearbook is 145,691,446 members, down 1.15 percent over 2011.

                  1. The Catholic Church 68,202,492, [ranked 1 in 2011] , down 0.44 percent.
                  2. Southern Baptist Convention 16,136,044, [ranked 2 in 2011] , down 0.15 percent.
                  ** Since the 2010 census of nondenominational/independent congregations, we now know that this grouping of churches, if taken together, would be the second largest Protestant group in the country with over 35,000 congregations and over 12,200,000 adherents.
                  3. The United Methodist Church 7,679,850, [ranked 3 in 2011] , down 1.22 percent.
                  4. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 6,157,238, [ranked 4 in 2011], up 1.62 percent.
                  5. The Church of God in Christ 5,499,875, [ranked 5 in 2011] , no update reported.
                  6. National Baptist Convention , U.S.A. , Inc. 5,197,512, [ranked 6 in 2011] , up 3.95 percent.
                  7. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America 4,274,855, [ranked 7 in 2011] , down 5.90 percent.
                  8. National Baptist Convention of America , Inc. 3,500,000, [ranked 8 in 2011] , no update reported.
                  9. Assemblies of God 3,030,944, [ranked 9 in 2011] , up 3.99 percent.
                  10. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) 2,675,873, [ranked 10 in 2011] , down 3.42 percent.
                  11. African Methodist Episcopal Church 2,500,000, [ranked 11 in 2011] , no update reported.
                  12. National Missionary Baptist Convention of America 2,500,000, [ranked 11 in 2011] , no update reported.
                  13. The Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod (LCMS) 2,278,586, [ranked 13 in 2011] , down 1.45 percent.
                  14. The Episcopal Church 1,951,907, [ranked 14 in 2011] , down 2.71 percent.
                  15. Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Inc. 1,800,000, ranked 15 [ranked 17 in 2011] , up 20 percent.
                  16. Churches of Christ 1,639,495, [ranked 15 in 2011] , no update reported.
                  17. Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America 1,500,000 , [ranked 16 in 2011] , no update reported.
                  18. The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church 1,400,000, [ranked 18 in 2011] , no update reported.
                  19. American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A. 1,308,054, [ranked 19 in 2011] , down 0.19 percent.
                  20. Jehovah’s Witnesses 1,184,249, [ranked 20 in 2011] , up 1.85 percent.
                  21. Church of God ( Cleveland , Tennessee ) 1,074,047, [ranked 22 in 2011] , down 0.21 percent.
                  22. Christian Churches and Churches of Christ 1,071,616, [ranked 23 in 2011] , no update reported.
                  23. Seventh-day Adventist Church 1,060,386, [ranked 24 in 2011] , up 1.61 percent.
                  24. United Church of Christ 1,058,423, [ranked 21 in 2011], down 2.02 percent.
                  25. Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc. 1,010,000, [ranked 25 in 2011 ], no update reported.
                Total membership in top 25 churches: 145,691,446, down 1.15 percent.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594326#Comment_594326

James C. ... don't feel too bad. I got myself kicked out too (but on the other side of the spectrum). Looking at the bookstore site and the schools supported (eg Memphis), it looks like the church of Christ my aunt attends (had lunch with her yesterday). I can see why they'd need to meet on facebook.

The church of Christ varients are interesting. Chatting with my aunt, she knew where I 'lived' and I knew where she 'lived'. So our discussion of how our respective churches are coming along is not unlike a minefield. It's unfortunate. One time I was driving up to Utah and wanted to stop in a church of Christ I'd been to as a child. It was small, and the first order of 'business' (Bible study) was to identify where 'the visitor' stood. And not to be outdone, where the preacher and elders stood. After an hour, we'd successfully agreed Homer Hailey was good and had been unfairly tagged by the more conservative varients. But being the humorous type, I threw in my destination was the Zion bookstore in St George.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594318#Comment_594318

But concerning those who simply "bear a name," of the church of Christ, yet adhere to those doctrines unfamiliar to the New Testament and members of the churches of Christ, these are not intended to have part in the church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software.

Rather exclusive. Who passes judgement?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594321#Comment_594321

I also think it would be far easier to get a base package that includes "Restoration" resources than simply one that focuses too narrowly in your direction. That's just my thought. But either way you can count me in as one who would buy this kind of base package.

I can agree with both statements. (and I am Independent Baptist.)

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594358#Comment_594358

Rather exclusive. Who passes judgement?

Here is their own defense against the charge of exclusivity (I'm just pointing it out, not endorsing it):

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=2844

On the other hand:

"...that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you...so that the world may believe that you have sent me." (John 17:21)

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594358#Comment_594358

But concerning those who simply "bear a name," of the church of Christ, yet adhere to those doctrines unfamiliar to the New Testament and members of the churches of Christ, these are not intended to have part in the church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software.

Rather exclusive. Who passes judgement?

I think Daniel is having the wrong attitude in trying to put this "Package" together and there might be some speculation on his part as to who is liberal and who is not. For example, Brother Wayne Jackson, whom I love dearly, is getting crucified by other brethren who think he's dead wrong just because he's teaching that you can pray to Jesus; and as a result, they are attacking him with books and articles just because he believes you can pray to Jesus. Personally, after studying both sides I don't think addressing our Lord Jesus during our prayers will send someone to hell or make him liberal; yet that's what's being done to Brother Jackson. I don't think this issue should divide the church, but then again, we have some, within the Body of Christ, who just love to take things to the extreme and start labeling good sound brethren as liberals just because they don't agree with them on some minor doctrinal points that have become dogmatic in their own eyes. Last I checked, my beloved Brother Wayne Jackson believes in "Head Covering" - personally, I don't agree with him, but is not a salvation issue and I won't condemn him or label him a liberal just because he interprets 1 Cor. 11 the way he does. I know several good brethren who have been labeled wrong by extremist and that to me is not the right attitude to have. It's sad to see those individuals divide the church over, what most of the time have been, petty things.

I also believe that if you want a "Restoration Base Package" (that's how I would call it) you are going about it the wrong way. You should contact the Publishers first and once you get them in, then get the users to unite with you in the effort of pre-ordering the base package to be able to make it a reality. What good is it if you get enough people interested, but the publishers don't want to publish with Logos? especially if they have your mentality, saying, "Well, Logos is not part of the Church of Christ, so we don't want to Publish with them."

We cannot go to extremes. There's a lot of good scholarship that can be included in the "Restoration Base Package." Great sound brethren, members of the Church of Christ, have used conservative material from scholars that belong to other denominations to defend their own "doctrinal points" that some label "Church of Christ doctrine." Just to name a few: Adam Clark, Albert Barnes, Thayer, Ray Summers, John Wesley (those are old school); from the new/modern school: Robert H. Stein has been quoted, Jack Cottrell, Darrel Bock, Leon Morris, and several others.

To put it from a different perspective Daniel, think about the songs we sing from "our song books" most, if not, all of them have been written by Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. Some of our favorite songs were written even by a woman who teaches us and admonishes us through the lyrics she wrote (e.g. A Wonderful Savior by Fanny Crosby). Are we gonna stop singing that just because a woman wrote it? No.

I think Brother Thomas B. Warren's logical and Biblical advice is appropriate here (well, it's the Holy Spirit's through Paul's advice): "Prove all things hold fast that which is good." (1 Thess. 5:21).

I'm not arguing here, but I think as members of the church we need to focus on our attitude. A lot of inexperience, young preachers who just came out of "preaching school" think that the first thing they have to do to become successful is: To debate and prove everybody wrong and say that "the church of Christ's doctrine is the only good doctrine." I think we need to go back to the Bible and study with individuals so they can see for themselves "what the Bible teaches" instead of what the "church of Christ teaches."

May God grant you the wisdom to handle His Word aright! (2 Timothy 2:15).

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594363#Comment_594363

Here is their own defense against the charge of exclusivity (I'm just pointing it out, not endorsing it):

Thank you for the reference. I read it. The point sinks into a debate between salvation by faith or by works. I don't want to go there.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594325#Comment_594325

I'm not sure how this information might help you, and it appears that you would not identify with churches of Christ.

Basically, I'm trying to figure out whether it might be worth it to Logos to put out a library base package targeted for the churches of Christ, either the ones you like or the broader 1 million plus group. Right now it's looking to me as though Logos would be better served targeting the broader group, just based on numbers.

You are right that I don't identify with your denomination. I'm much too "conservative"/"traditional" for you.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594369#Comment_594369

Hi again DAL,

I wanted to briefly respond to your post, though I believe that it is not particularly relevant to the purpose of this forum (i.e. you either identify with churches of Christ and would like to join the group to help contribute to the work, you do not). However, given the length of your response, I do want to give you the courtesy and provide some explanation.

First, concerning your judgment of attitude and your speculation of my being speculative, the basis of your judgment is unfounded. God judges men leftward or rightward from those who walk the narrow road. Further, I have spoken nothing of the doctrine of prayer, the issue of head coverings, or the quotation of denomination commentators (which, by the way, when done properly only sets forth evidence, and doesn't necessitate a full endorsement). It is further well understood by the administration of this work, that in handling the publications and resources of men as a package Library of resources on Logos Bible Software, that there will be some publication included by authors who may not fully comply with the doctrine of Christ. However, our purpose is to minimize such error. There will be a degree of judgment in this matter, but that is why the Church of Christ Library for Logos is not an authoritative source of doctrine, but a mere aid to biblical study amongst churches of Christ, and even those who believe they would benefit from the resource.

Your assertion concerning the song books also holds very little weight to this forum. The purpose of the forum is to announce a work for fellow preachers and members in the body of Christ to join in the labors and, key point here, place brotherhood publication in a package for purchase. It is quite obvious that I use Logos, and thus have in my possession several works of men that I do not find myself in fellowship with, so what would the purpose be of this particular package for development if it did not make such a separation? If particular exclusions offend you, you are again free to create your own work and ask others to join in that work.

Concerning your blanket statements in the last paragraph, I again see little to no substance to your conclusions, or relevance. I have not spoken of anything concerning what the "church of Christ teaches," as that would be a non-authoritative source for establishing doctrine. I agree, go back to the Bible. This is the doctrine of the churches of Christ, and this is what the faithful "churches of Christ teach," not left, not right, but faithful churches of Christ. We are looking for members who will join in creating a Library of publications from the faithful churches of Christ that help to establish what the Bible teaches. If you would like to have a debate about what the Bible teaches, and thus what faithful churches of Christ teach, that is a debate I would be willing to have on another forum.

Again, I encourage all to see my references to Lynden if you have any questions about who are the churches of Christ and if you would identify with the Lord's church, and thus desire to join this work. Thank You.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594297#Comment_594297

Mark and James, it's very obvious to me both of you are members of the churches of Christ. I have little use for liberalism or legalism, and I identify with those who love The Lord and His grace. I have been a Logos user since 1993, and I know Bob Pritchett. do you think we should form a group. I lean towards forming a Restoration Movement Group. I would appreciate hearing your opinions?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594369#Comment_594369

I think Daniel is having the wrong attitude in trying to put this "Package" together and there might be some speculation on his part as to who is liberal and who is not.

It still begs the question; "Who should pass judgement on the churches of Christ?"

Should Daniel be the one who decides what should go in a Logos package?

Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594408#Comment_594408

Mark and James, it's very obvious to me both of you are members of the churches of Christ. I have little use for liberalism or legalism, and I identify with those who love The Lord and His grace. I have been a Logos user since 1993, and I know Bob Pritchett. do you think we should form a group. I lean towards forming a Restoration Movement Group. I would appreciate hearing your opinions?

Obviously Gary, I am neither Mark nor James, but I would be appreciative of a Restoration Movement Group. I am from an Independent Christian Church, but tend toward the more conservative "right." I have the Gospel Advocate Commentaries in that other program and use them right alongside of my Logos resources. I have several of Everett Ferguson's works because I like his scholarly approach to our history. I would like to see more "NI" works such as already mentioned, i.e., John Mark Hicks, etc., and some by Al Maxey or Steven Clark Goad. We NEED a great collection of Restoration Movement scholarship.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594414#Comment_594414

Elsewhere in the forums, I have supported a Restoration Movement package. I think anything narrower would be difficult to market.